Kerry Byrne: Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

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Kerry Byrne | Patriots Failing the Passing Test: Secondary a Primary Concern

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Another moron ... Belichick is making teams beat us by throwing to their receivers. Our secondary is getting better each week. I'm expecting the coverage to tighten now with Mayo back. with Mayo out the coverage has been soft as Belichick has employed the secondary to pick up the slack in tackles.

Every year these idiots talk this crap and every year I say it takes 6-8 games for our defense to get tighter ... it develops as the season goes along. I'm expecting it to get better as Butler and perhaps Chung get more reps. Until then Bill is playing the classic bend but don't break.

I think it was working fine except perhaps that Denver air caught up to our guys in the 4th quater. If the offense had done their job none of this would be a problem with the talking head idiots.

 

[maverick4]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

People need to stop believing the myth that Belichick controls every single thing.

He gives his coordinators tons of autonomy, always has as Pats coach.

Our struggles are very related to a new offensive coordinator, and a vanilla D coordinator.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Interesting article.

 

[TimU]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

There is a lot to think about there. Those numbers are concerning.

 

[T-cat]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Another moron ... Belichick is making teams beat us by throwing to their receivers. Our secondary is getting better each week. I'm expecting the coverage to tighten now with Mayo back. with Mayo out the coverage has been soft as Belichick has employed the secondary to pick up the slack in tackles.

Every year these idiots talk this crap and every year I say it takes 6-8 games for our defense to get tighter ... it develops as the season goes along. I'm expecting it to get better as Butler and perhaps Chung get more reps. Until then Bill is playing the classic bend but don't break.

I think it was working fine except perhaps that Denver air caught up to our guys in the 4th quater. If the offense had done their job none of this would be a problem with the talking head idiots.

im not sure you know what your talking about cause i deff dont see mayo contributing to coverage as i see him as a good tackling run stuffer. and BB is forcing teams to throw to their recievers?...i guess idk much about football cause thats what i think recievers are for am i wrong?

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Yikes, Byrne went full ******. Passer rating is a pretty spotty stat, so if his entire argument hinges on that, then that's pretty suspect. I don't absolutely disagree with the premise, but this guy completely fails to conduct any kind of an analysis on *why* Belichick's defenses aren't doing great lately. He's just listing off numbers, and cherry-picked numbers at that. Useless article by a useless writer.

 

[miDeuce]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Hey he makes some good points and has the "COLD HARD FOOTBALL FACTS" to back him up. You can't argue with those can you? But you also can't argue that in the four seasons since Belichick won his last Super Bowl the Pats have gone to the AFCCG twice, and had a 16-0 season. You can break down every statistic there is, but the cold hard football fact that really counts is W or L. And Belichick has not lost is ability to get Ws, even if it is with a suspect D.


CHFF is so far up their own ***es they've lost sight that this is a game that is played on the field, not some number crunching experiment where everything can be explained by mathmatical formulas.

 

[IcyPatriot]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

im not sure you know what your talking about cause i deff dont see mayo contributing to coverage as i see him as a good tackling run stuffer. and BB is forcing teams to throw to their recievers?...i guess idk much about football cause thats what i think recievers are for am i wrong?

Ummm ... Mayo has been injured ... that's why the secondary has been making most of the tackles. When Mayo is on the field the secondary has less stress in covering the run.

 

[T-cat]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Ummm ... Mayo has been injured ... that's why the secondary has been making most of the tackles. When Mayo is on the field the secondary has less stress in covering the run.

oh i thought you were suggesting mayo is a coverage beast my bad cause i like guyton more in that category

 

[Joker]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

who the hell is Kerry Byrne???

 

[eagle eye]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Clearly Kerry Byrne is a guy who starts out thinking about something and then gets wrapped up in his own bull**** and loses the plot completely.

That must be the most idiotic article that I've ever seen on WEEI

 

[skinnydog]

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Another moron ... Belichick is making teams beat us by throwing to their receivers. Our secondary is getting better each week. I'm expecting the coverage to tighten now with Mayo back. with Mayo out the coverage has been soft as Belichick has employed the secondary to pick up the slack in tackles.

Every year these idiots talk this crap and every year I say it takes 6-8 games for our defense to get tighter ... it develops as the season goes along. I'm expecting it to get better as Butler and perhaps Chung get more reps. Until then Bill is playing the classic bend but don't break.

I think it was working fine except perhaps that Denver air caught up to our guys in the 4th quater. If the offense had done their job none of this would be a problem with the talking head idiots.

When is the last time that you could say the Patriots really frustrated a good QB? It's been years. Orton has his way pretty much all game and the 4th quarter collapses a extremely disturbing. In the Superbowl years, you could count on a big 4th Q stop. Now? It's the opposite. I have to say, I am at a loss to see why Belichick insists on drafting 5'9" defensive backs.

I was really optimistic after the Ravens game. I though the defense was aggressive all game both in the pass rush and in the coverage. I actually thought that at times the coverage was pretty tight against Denver, but Orton had plenty of time to throw and with time he was accurate all day.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Hey he makes some good points and has the "COLD HARD FOOTBALL FACTS" to back him up. You can't argue with those can you? But you also can't argue that in the four seasons since Belichick won his last Super Bowl the Pats have gone to the AFCCG twice, and had a 16-0 season. You can break down every statistic there is, but the cold hard football fact that really counts is W or L. And Belichick has not lost is ability to get Ws, even if it is with a suspect D.


CHFF is so far up their own ***es they've lost sight that this is a game that is played on the field, not some number crunching experiment where everything can be explained by mathmatical formulas.

Good stats tell most of the story, or at least enough of it to perform an educated analysis. QB rating is just a crappy stat, though. And DQR as a defensive stat is even more worthless. It tells you little, bordering on nothing, and the fact that Byrne calls it "the most important defensive stat" just shows that he's an idiot. The Pats' DQR has been below average for exactly two reasons:

1) we don't intercept a lot of balls. It's a problem, sure, but not nearly as huge as DQR makes it seem.

2) Most TDs against us are passing TDs by necessity, because it's really difficult to run TDs in against the Pats. So, because we don't give up easy TDs on the ground, our DQR gets worse.

There are great stats out there that are very informative, but Byrne didn't pick one of them. He picked defensive quarterback rating, which is borderline useless. Not to mention that a whole lot of the dropoff is explainable in simple terms: once McGinest (pass rush) and Law (shutdown corner) were gone, our pass defense got significantly worse. The assumption that the scheme is to blame (if there's any blame to be placed) is a dumb assumption to make in the first place...

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

When is the last time that you could say the Patriots really frustrated a good QB?

Matt Ryan... 3 weeks ago. Or how about Joe Flacco 2 weeks ago. Or how about Kurt Warner (and don't give me the weather excuse- Cassel was awesome in that game and Warner sucked so badly that Leinart subbed in), Brett Favre, and Jay Cutler last year?

 

[skinnydog]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

I would have like to see the defensive QB rating in the Superbowl years. I agree it isn't that great a stat. Still, Superbowl defenses don't let the Kyle Orton's look that good.

 

[JSn]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Corky Byrne has a heart of gold.

 

[SVN]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

Good stats tell most of the story, or at least enough of it to perform an educated analysis. QB rating is just a crappy stat, though. And DQR as a defensive stat is even more worthless. It tells you little, bordering on nothing, and the fact that Byrne calls it "the most important defensive stat" just shows that he's an idiot. The Pats' DQR has been below average for exactly two reasons:

1) we don't intercept a lot of balls. It's a problem, sure, but not nearly as huge as DQR makes it seem.

2) Most TDs against us are passing TDs by necessity, because it's really difficult to run TDs in against the Pats. So, because we don't give up easy TDs on the ground, our DQR gets worse.

There are great stats out there that are very informative, but Byrne didn't pick one of them. He picked defensive quarterback rating, which is borderline useless. Not to mention that a whole lot of the dropoff is explainable in simple terms: once McGinest (pass rush) and Law (shutdown corner) were gone, our pass defense got significantly worse. The assumption that the scheme is to blame (if there's any blame to be placed) is a dumb assumption to make in the first place...

if you ignore all the stats and just look at the replacements for law,samuel and mcginest etc which he points out that bb hasnt been able hasnt been to replace. so maybe bb's scheme is oen thing but the drafts on the defensive side havent been like the 2003 one for e.g

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

I would have like to see the defensive QB rating in the Superbowl years. I agree it isn't that great a stat. Still, Superbowl defenses don't let the Kyle Orton's look that good.

NFL Game Center: San Diego Chargers at New England Patriots - 2001 Week 5

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They do sometimes . That said, I agree that the Pats' defense isn't SB-caliber yet, but they're young, with a bunch of new parts, playing in a new base formation. They have plenty of time to get better. And I think you're selling Kyle Orton short- in McDaniels' offense, he's very good. I wouldn't be surprised if he makes a pro bowl or two over the next couple years.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Kerry Byrne:Bill Belichick has lost his mojo

if you ignore all the stats and just look at the replacements for law,samuel and mcginest etc which he points out that bb hasnt been able hasnt been to replace. so maybe bb's scheme is oen thing but the drafts on the defensive side havent been like the 2003 one for e.g

I'm not ignoring all of the stats. There are a lot of great stats that you can use to identify how a defense is doing. DQR isn't one of them- it's a crappy stat that doesn't tell you a whole lot even in proper context, let alone without any context.