Is Maroney running behind a pass protection offensive line?

[Snake Eyes]

I can think of at least a few other reasons that are more plausible than those, so that either/or is... not.

Ok, do tell, what other reasons explain his lackluster performance?

 

[mcsully]

Yeah, you're putting words in my mouth though. Faulk is irrelevant, since he plays a completely different position in this offense, and we saw so little of Taylor that, while impressed, I'm not drawing any conclusions. I'm simply pointing out that when someone else started in place of Maroney, that guy did all of the things that you guys don't like Maroney for: dancing in the backfield, making negative plays, and having a crappy YPC aside from 1 long run.
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Your previous post you mentioned all these funny facts about Morris. LIke I said before, I mentioned only faulk and taylor. So I wasn't putting words in your mouth, you were actually answering a question I never asked..

But to be honest and answer your question I think anyone can tell LM isn't as good as Faulk or Taylor.. What we've seen of Taylor was impressive.. His one cut and hit the hole style is something we desperately need. The TD in the Baltimore Game was great.. He made something out of nothing.. Something LM has rarely done, if ever.. And Faulk being irrelevant ..OH MY.. He's very important on our 3rd downs, as u know.. LM best ability right now is him being in the open field and running.. But since BB considers Faulk a better all around back (block, running and catching), LM sits on the bench on 3rd down while Faulk plays.

I'll agree with you LM might be a servicable back some where else.. I personally think in a I formation system such as Cinn or Baltimore.. But here in New England, he will never live up to expectation..

 

[BradyFTW!]

I can think of at least a few other reasons that are more plausible than those, so that either/or is... not.

Ok, do tell, what other reasons explain his lackluster performance?

That Maroney is running at the beginning of games, against defenses that aren't gassed and are expecting the run. The other guys aren't.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Your previous post you mentioned all these funny facts about Morris. LIke I said before, I mentioned only faulk and taylor. So I wasn't putting words in your mouth, you were actually answering a question I never asked..

But to be honest and answer your question I think anyone can tell LM isn't as good as Faulk or Taylor.. What we've seen of Taylor was impressive.. His one cut and hit the hole style is something we desperately need. The TD in the Baltimore Game was great.. He made something out of nothing.. Something LM has rarely done, if ever.. And Faulk being irrelevant ..OH MY.. He's very important on our 3rd downs, as u know.. LM best ability right now is him being in the open field and running.. But since BB considers Faulk a better all around back (block, running and catching), LM sits on the bench on 3rd down while Faulk plays.

I'll agree with you LM might be a servicable back some where else.. I personally think in a I formation system such as Cinn or Baltimore.. But here in New England, he will never live up to expectation..

Why and how are you comparing Maroney to Faulk? They have completely different roles. Faulk would be terrible in Maroney's role, and Maroney would be pretty bad in Faulk's. There's absolutely no point in drawing the comparison.

And once again, you completely misread my point: I wasn't answering a question that you never asked- I was using Morris performance to show that the starting RBs getting nailed behind the line isn't a Maroney thing, at all. When put in Maroney's shoes, the same exact thing happened to Morris. Maroney isn't the problem.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Why and how are you comparing Maroney to Faulk? They have completely different roles. Faulk would be terrible in Maroney's role, and Maroney would be pretty bad in Faulk's. There's absolutely no point in drawing the comparison.

And once again, you completely misread my point: I wasn't answering a question that you never asked- I was using Morris performance to show that the starting RBs getting nailed behind the line isn't a Maroney thing, at all. When put in Maroney's shoes, the same exact thing happened to Morris. Maroney isn't the problem.

I grant you that it's a combination of things but there has to be a reason up to this point in the season, BB has given Morris & Taylor more carries than Maroney.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I grant you that it's a combination of things but there has to be a reason up to this point in the season, BB has given Morris & Taylor more carries than Maroney.

Maroney: 32 carries
Morris: 30 carries

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

I grant you that it's a combination of things but there has to be a reason up to this point in the season, BB has had Morris & Taylor with more carries which ended up more successfully than Maroney .

I changed your wording a bit

 

[BradyFTW!]

I changed your wording a bit

Completely different point, but sure. That just brings everything back to my original post. I actually used facts and evidence (and no pictures), so I'm sure you just ignored it and plowed right ahead, but I definitely encourage you to go back and give it a shot...

 

[STFarmy]

I still think that Maroney has it in him to be a good RB.

I agree. Lomo has his weaknesses, but I think we forget that he has a kind of speed that can make huge plays in space. Yes he dances, and yes he's a little tenative behind the line. But I think he's done better the past few games (from what little we've seen of him). He may not be the super RB some people thought he'd be, but I don't think he's the bust others claim he is. We'll have to see what kind of moves BB makes.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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I agree. Lomo has his weaknesses, but I think we forget that he has a kind of speed that can make huge plays in space. Yes he dances, and yes he's a little tenative behind the line. But I think he's done better the past few games (from what little we've seen of him). He may not be the super RB some people thought he'd be, but I don't think he's the bust others claim he is. We'll have to see what kind of moves BB makes.

That is about as much as an understatement as saying Brett Favre has a few gray hairs on his head

 

[BradyFTW!]

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That is about as much as an understatement as saying Brett Favre has a few gray hairs on his head

Or that you sometimes miss the point completely, and rely on trite exaggerations to prove your 'insight'.

 

[maverick4]

The original point isn't likely, since the other running backs are running behind the same O-line and doing well.

Maroney's problem is he doesn't hit the hole hard. He either has poor vision, or poor courage.

 

[maverick4]

I agree. Lomo has his weaknesses, but I think we forget that he has a kind of speed that can make huge plays in space. Yes he dances, and yes he's a little tenative behind the line. But I think he's done better the past few games (from what little we've seen of him). He may not be the super RB some people thought he'd be, but I don't think he's the bust others claim he is. We'll have to see what kind of moves BB makes.

The biggest problem is that it isn't that special to have a "home run" RB on our team, since so many routine medium pass plays get the same yardage, at higher frequency and consistency. What you really want is a guy who can definitely get you 3+ yds every time he touches the ball, even in short yardage

 

[mcsully]

Why and how are you comparing Maroney to Faulk? They have completely different roles. Faulk would be terrible in Maroney's role, and Maroney would be pretty bad in Faulk's. There's absolutely no point in drawing the comparison.

And once again, you completely misread my point: I wasn't answering a question that you never asked- I was using Morris performance to show that the starting RBs getting nailed behind the line isn't a Maroney thing, at all. When put in Maroney's shoes, the same exact thing happened to Morris. Maroney isn't the problem.

I never missed your point..
Its just a lack luster point..

Faulk > LM

Fortunately for LM, Taylor is out for a while.. LM being here long term.. Doesn't look so good..

 

[maverick4]

At this point, Maroney's eventual ceiling is probably what Faulk is: not too good between the tackles, but good out in space if you can get him the ball.

But, Maroney is far from being Faulk. He needs to improve his pass blocking and catching to become Faulk.

 

[BradyFTW!]

I never missed your point..
Its just a lack luster point..

Faulk > LM

Fortunately for LM, Taylor is out for a while.. LM being here long term.. Doesn't look so good..

And Ty Warren is better than Jonathan Wilhite- an equally meaningless distinction that says nothing about either of them or their positions/futures with the team. Faulk is not a part of the RB rotation, he plays another position entirely. That's why, when Jordan, Maroney, and Morris were all hurt last year, we didn't use Faulk as the RB- we brought in an UDFA instead. Faulk plays a different position.

If, after watching the Pats for the last decade, you still can't even grasp that, then I think that says it all re: your ability to analyze the RB situation.

 

[maverick4]

Faulk is not a part of the RB rotation, he plays another position entirely. If, after watching the Pats for the last decade, you still can't even grasp that, then it's no wonder that you have no idea what you're talking about re: the RBs.

This is an absurd statement, and the last sentence is even more ridiculous.

Faulk is a running back on the team, and there are multiple guys who each have a role in the RB rotation.

 

[thewaylifeshouldbe]

I actually started reading through this thread, but it didn't take long for it to resolve to the same statements made in EVERY OTHER Maroney thread. You could, literally, combine every statement made about Maroney on this site categorically and it would make up a two page thread....with room left over.
:deadhorse:

But hey, on topic: Is there such a thing as a "pass protection" OL? I think the Steelers of the 70's, the 49er's of the 80's, and the Cowboys of the 90's would say there isn't. All of those teams had success with both the air AND the ground.

An offensive line is built to do both, if they can't then that is either lack of player versatility or coaching. We have one of the best coaches in the league, and he hires on versatility.

 

[mcsully]

And Ty Warren is better than Jonathan Wilhite- an equally meaningless distinction that says nothing about either of them or their positions/futures with the team. Faulk is not a part of the RB rotation, he plays another position entirely. That's why, when Jordan, Maroney, and Morris were all hurt last year, we didn't use Faulk as the RB- we brought in an UDFA instead. Faulk plays a different position.

If, after watching the Pats for the last decade, you still can't even grasp that, then I think that says it all re: your ability to analyze the RB situation.

Go back and read what I wrote.. U definitely missed clear cut points.. You basically splitting hairs to make a point that is pretty much meaningless.. You think LM could be a solid back.. I disagree and I would tend to think BB is thinking the same thing.. LM is getting less touches because he is what he is.. A serviceable backup.. Again, (and I mean again) he'll never live up to the #1 pick status.. Especially since we have done so well in the 1st round..


Go ahead and rant more if you want and increase your post count

 

[RobertWeathers]

Completely different point, but sure. That just brings everything back to my original post. I actually used facts and evidence (and no pictures), so I'm sure you just ignored it and plowed right ahead, but I definitely encourage you to go back and give it a shot...

You got me...