Jerome Bettis on Suggs Penalty

[goldspeed101]

Re: Jerome Bettis on Sugg's Penalty

Low hit= a player hitting a player low - Thats the call Suggs got
Brady rule= down on the ground and making a second motion to get the qb!

Im sorry but for the naysayers these rules needed to be put in place or a qb is only going to have a 3-4 year career if that! look at Palmer, Haselbeck, Pennington!!! Qbs are vulnerable and need the rules to help protect their life, as do kickers! Im sure when roughing the kicker was established people were boobing too! deffenses will adjust and do just fine in time

 

[efin98]

Also, I wish people would stop bringing up "the Brady rule" when discussing this play. It's been illegal to hit the QB below the knees for a few years now, and if anything I'd say the hit to Carson Palmer that brought about a league emphasis concerning penalizing defenders going low would be the more accurate comparison. The Brady rule involves a defender who has already gone to the ground, and then decided to go low on the QB. That's what Pollard did in 2008, which didn't mirror the Suggs penalty.

It's been illegal since 2006 when not just Palmer but Rothlesburger and Griese had injuries because of hits to the knees or lower legs...rule was changed so that there are no hits at or below the knee on the QB unless blocked into them

 

[PatsBoy12]

The only reason that this isn't widely agreed upon is because opposing fans are letting their hatred of Brady and the Pats cloud their vision and critical thinking skills. It was very OBVIOUSLY a dirty shot on Brady.

Yup. I'm actually surprised that JB said what he said, though. Isn't he one of the ex-players that loathes the Pats?

 

[stcjones]

The only reason that this isn't widely agreed upon is because opposing fans are letting their hatred of Brady and the Pats cloud their vision and critical thinking skills. It was very OBVIOUSLY a dirty shot on Brady.

Very well said...........I am shocked at how many fans of other teams DESPISE the Patriots and Brady.......just deep seated hatred for this organization and Brady. I listen alot to ESPN and other sports radio stations down here in FL and am appalled at how many fans of other teams are SO JEALOUS of what the Patriots have been able to do this decade, and how successful Brady has been....that they pray that his knee gets destroyed again, and the Pats fail..........I knew they were jealous of us.....I had no idea it had become this DEEP......wow

 

[Bostonian1962]

I didn't see the game so the only play I can comment on is that Suggs play and that wasn't a dirty play.

If Suggs was actually trying to hit brady he did a piss poor job of it. From what I've heard Brady said it wasn't a dirty play, he just knew he could get a penalty called. Someone told me that so I don't know if he actually said it, but it didn't look dirty to me at all. He barely even touched Brady.

Go ahead and say it's my "hatred of the Patriots" (like I don't hate the Ravens) that makes me say that but it's true.

That was a joke of a penalty. Sooner or later the Brady Rule is going to be called in a game that will cost a team a PO game or a PO win and it's going to blow up in the leagues face.

The way it is now is ridiculous. QB's should get hit too.

If you're basing your comments on what Brady said, you just invented what he said. He said the opposite. He said going low is a penalty, and Suggs went low. I've read several post game articles saying Suggs should be fined. By the way, this wouldn't be the first time Suggs has been fined. You're comments ARE based on your blind hatred, and they are biased.

 

[NJPatsfan26]

Very well said...........I am shocked at how many fans of other teams DESPISE the Patriots and Brady.......just deep seated hatred for this organization and Brady. I listen alot to ESPN and other sports radio stations down here in FL and am appalled at how many fans of other teams are SO JEALOUS of what the Patriots have been able to do this decade, and how successful Brady has been....that they pray that his knee gets destroyed again, and the Pats fail..........I knew they were jealous of us.....'I had no idea it had become this DEEP......wow

Good point....and you know if the Patriots went after a QB's legs and didnt get fined for it, Goodell would have fined the hell out of us, suspended the player who did it and take a few more draft picks. ESPN and the rest of the mediots would blast the hell out of us calling us the dirtiest team in the league. WTF!!

 

[shmessy]

That was a joke of a penalty. Sooner or later the Brady Rule is going to be called in a game that will cost a team a PO game or a PO win and it's going to blow up in the leagues face.

Oh yeah, well it wasn't called before, and it cost us an entire season.

That's a bit bigger than a PO game.

BTW, Mike Wright got an inadvertant hand to the helmet on Flacco and that was called.

Evidently, every Pats hater was in the bathroom when that happened.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

I didn't see the game so the only play I can comment on is that Suggs play and that wasn't a dirty play.

If Suggs was actually trying to hit brady he did a piss poor job of it. From what I've heard Brady said it wasn't a dirty play, he just knew he could get a penalty called. Someone told me that so I don't know if he actually said it, but it didn't look dirty to me at all. He barely even touched Brady.

Go ahead and say it's my "hatred of the Patriots" (like I don't hate the Ravens) that makes me say that but it's true.

That was a joke of a penalty. Sooner or later the Brady Rule is going to be called in a game that will cost a team a PO game or a PO win and it's going to blow up in the leagues face.

The way it is now is ridiculous. QB's should get hit too.

Where were you week one when Wilfork and Thomas were penalized for roughing calls a ton worse than the Suggs call?

Where is the complaint against the Wright call in the same game?

How about the Giants game and the penalty on the Chiefs safety for hitting the Giants receiver with his shoulder?

When are you going to complain to the league about the "face guarding" call in the 2007 AFCCG that gave you your Super Bowl? You win a Super Bowl based on a penalty for a non existant rule and you don't complain?

 

[Bella*chick]

Oh yeah, well it wasn't called before, and it cost us an entire season.

That's a bit bigger than a PO game.

BTW, Mike Wright got an inadvertant hand to the helmet on Flacco and that was called.

Evidently, every Pats hater was in the bathroom when that happened.

They don't care about that. As long as it's not their QB it's "Injuries happen, those are the breaks." After all, it was only our season, not theirs.

'Course it's still funny they weren't holding the Lombardi at the end.

 

[BayAreaPatsFan]

The only reason that this isn't widely agreed upon is because opposing fans are letting their hatred of Brady and the Pats cloud their vision and critical thinking skills. It was very OBVIOUSLY a dirty shot on Brady.

I really don't think its clouding their vision and critical thinking skills. They know this was a dirty shot. You look at that video, it is entirely obvious, he takes several steps and lunges in elbows up at Bradys knees. They know it, they just wont admit it. Same thing with spygate, they will always talk about it because its an easy out to diminish all what the Pats have accomplished, They are jealous of their accomplishments and thats the only way they know how to deal with it.

 

[BradyManny]

The only reason that this isn't widely agreed upon is because opposing fans are letting their hatred of Brady and the Pats cloud their vision and critical thinking skills. It was very OBVIOUSLY a dirty shot on Brady.

So you agree this was a dirty dive at his knees, but were complaining in the other thread that the refs need to let them play more? I'm not following you here.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

The Bus is hardly an apologist for the Pats, so his view of the Suggs' hit, which happens to be mine, pretty much puts the subject to rest for fair-minded people.

The Ngata play was probably not intentional, but the rule about a forearm to the head of the QB is unambiguous, whatever its intent. This is not a "no harm, no foul" rule; this is a "if your forearm makes contact with the helmet or face of the QB, you've roughed him" rule.

So, I hope (but doubt) that the Ravens will put this behind them and concentrate on what is shaping up as a fairly tough schedule, with two games against their nemesis, the Steelers, two games against a resurgent Bungles team, and games against the Colts, Packers and Vikings.

If I were giving friendly advice to the Ravens' lockerroom, it would be to shut up about last week's game and focus on the Bengals on Sunday. The AFC North is going to be a three-team race by the time we get to December; planning on going to the Playoffs as a Wild Card from that Division is probably a risky bet.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Couple of observations. There is hypocracy galore in this latest little sour grapes fueled tempest. And that's all it is.

I've heard a lot of defenders screech when their knees or teamates were targeted. Including our own former SS. Something about livlihoods on the line and defensive players having families to feed as I recall.

A lot has been made of Ray's mention of Tommy's comment. Only no one bothered to ask Ray or Tom to clarify which call he was supposedly characterizing as getting away with one. If he said it at all it was probably the head slap, same as the one the Ravens got a gift on on Wrights otherwise textbook sack turned 15 yard penalty.

The rule is clear and unambiguous for a reason. Polian isn't comfortable with officiating crews interpreting incidental contact. Just like the emphasis on contacting receivers. Someone trying to make his bones in the broadcast booth should have reminded Dungy of that Sunday evening. But he seems to be a little intimidated by old Coach Quiet Strength. The Palmer Rule which was in play here as opposed to the Brady Rule was one his boss championed after he saw the potential for his own franchises demise flash before his eyes.

Every team sends tape to the league every week. It's part of how crews and rules get evaluated over time. You just don't hear about it. I recall Mike Perriera stating he couldn't remember the last time he heard from BB. Probably because Bill's to smart to waste time crying over things he cannot change. And he's focused on the next opponent and better situational coaching, which is what Harbaugh better get a handle on or he won't be in Baltimore long. A ring only bought his illustrious predecessor 6 seasons with one foot out the door for the last 2.

Jerome has impressed me. His views are well reasoned and presented, agree with them or not. Of course his stuff is in print and he's working with a writer. The voice of reason doesn't drive on air ratings. Everyone is jockeying for airtime scrambling for something controversial to comment on to garner attention.

 

[Kontradiction]

So you agree this was a dirty dive at his knees, but were complaining in the other thread that the refs need to let them play more? I'm not following you here.

You should actually read what I said then. I said protect the knees and the head, but let the QB get hit anywhere else. That's football. You can't possibly tell me that you think the Ngata penalty warranted a flag. If you do, and I don't mean this in a snide manner (I have respect for you as a poster), please stop watching football and go follow something else because this sport obviously isn't for you.

 

[Kontradiction]

The Bus is hardly an apologist for the Pats, so his view of the Suggs' hit, which happens to be mine, pretty much puts the subject to rest for fair-minded people.

The Ngata play was probably not intentional, but the rule about a forearm to the head of the QB is unambiguous, whatever its intent. This is not a "no harm, no foul" rule; this is a "if your forearm makes contact with the helmet or face of the QB, you've roughed him" rule.

So, I hope (but doubt) that the Ravens will put this behind them and concentrate on what is shaping up as a fairly tough schedule, with two games against their nemesis, the Steelers, two games against a resurgent Bungles team, and games against the Colts, Packers and Vikings.

If I were giving friendly advice to the Ravens' lockerroom, it would be to shut up about last week's game and focus on the Bengals on Sunday. The AFC North is going to be a three-team race by the time we get to December; planning on going to the Playoffs as a Wild Card from that Division is probably a risky bet.

Good post. There are a lot of people out there that can think clearly. Unfortunately, there are a lot of people out there that can't. I posted the link to the video on the Broncos forum yesterday (in there talking some jive before the game) and highlighted EVERYTHING they should watch. Despite having watched that with their own two eyes, some morons STILL claimed Suggs was push. One going so far as to say Koppen DID indeed hold him, then let him go and that's what made Suggs stumble. LMAO. It's ridiculous. These people have eyes, but refuse to use them. I told the one guy to please not do any night driving.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Fancy that.. not seeing the game and feeling the need to comment on one incident, probably shown for a short time on Sportscenter then back it up with someone told me.

I love Colts fans. I really truly do. You're like the gifts that keep on giving.

Merry Christmas mate!

 

[shmessy]

You should actually read what I said then. I said protect the knees and the head at all costs, but let the QB get hit anywhere else. That's football. You can't possibly tell me that you think the Ngata penalty warranted a flag. If you do, and I don't mean this in a snide manner (I have respect for you as a poster), please stop watching football and go follow something else because this sport obviously isn't for you.

Kontradiction, that thing on top of Tom Brady's neck? It's called a "head".

Just as the Wright penalty was the correct call, any contact with the head of a QB in the pocket will be called.

Change Bill Polian's rule if you want, but the rule is clear and unambiguous (and so was the replay - - Ngata's hand hits Brady's head, as did Wright's with Flacco).

What do you need clarification with?

 

[MoLewisrocks]

You should actually read what I said then. I said protect the knees and the head at all costs, but let the QB get hit anywhere else. That's football. You can't possibly tell me that you think the Ngata penalty warranted a flag. If you do, and I don't mean this in a snide manner (I have respect for you as a poster), please stop watching football and go follow something else because this sport obviously isn't for you.

It warranted a flag because although the contact was minimal the intent was not. Brady knew that, and that is why he called attention to it. If they can get away with going for the QB's knees all day long and the only penalty results if they happen to land the hit, defenders will play those odds all day long in the hope of knocking him out of the game. Then if they do, after collecting high fives from dirtbag coaches and teamates, they will sheepishly pay their fine and blubber about how they never wanted to hurt a fellow player.

 

[Kontradiction]

Kontradiction, that thing on top of Tom Brady's neck? It's called a "head".

Just as the Wright penalty was the correct call, any contact with the head of a QB in the pocket will be called.

Change Bill Polian's rule if you want, but the rule is clear and unambiguous (and so was the replay - - Ngata's hand hits Brady's head, as did Wright's with Flacco).

What do you need clarification with?

He slapped his helmet. Wright's penalty was ridiculous as well. If the Ngata penalty had been HELMET TO HELMET then I would see where you're coming from. As it turns out, it wasn't. Perhaps we should just make all hits on the QB illegal? Yeah, that would awesome. Then, that way, we wouldn't even have to pay a defense and can just invest all of our money in offensive skill players to win games scoring 86-84. Come on, man. You can't honestly believe that the Ngata "hit" warranted a penalty. If you do then, like I said, please feel free to go follow the ballet.

 

[Kontradiction]

It warranted a flag because although the contact was minimal the intent was not. Brady knew that, and that is why he called attention to it. If they can get away with going for the QB's knees all day long and the only penalty results if they happen to land the hit, defenders will play those odds all day long in the hope of knocking him out of the game. Then if they do, after collecting high fives from dirtbag coaches and teamates, they will sheepishly pay their fine and blubber about how they never wanted to hurt a fellow player.

For the record, I've already stated several times that I have no problem with Suggs getting flagged. In fact, I think he should get fined. That attempted hit had dirty written all over it. Check out BradyManny's thread about defenders whining to get my full synopsis of how I believe the game should be played.