Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings

[MrTibbs]

Just how much better are the Jets on defense and offense then the Patriots through 3 weeks.........hmmm let's see...........

The Jets

PTS 21.3 (13th)

YDS 315.0 (21st)

PASS YDS 185.0 (25th)

RUSH YDS 130.0 (11th)


The Patriots

PTS 20.0 (17th)

YDS 395.0 (5th)

PASS YDS 287.0 (3rd)

RUSH YDS 108.0 (18th)



Now for the Big one defense..........

The Jets

PTS 11.0 (2nd)

YDS 256.0 (3rd)

PASS YDS 173.3 (6th)

RUSH YDS 82.7 (9th)





The Patriots

PTS 16.7 (7th)

YDS 262.3 (6th)

PASS YDS 174.0 (7th)

RUSH YDS 88.3 (10th)




Over the course of an entire season it's going to be interesting to see how both teams progress on O and D. The Patriots defense isn't as bad as most thought.

 

[Bill B.]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

You know what they say about stats? Figures lie and liars figure. But I agree with you that our defense is better then they are given credit for.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

Just how much better are the Jets on defense and offense then the Patriots through 3 weeks.........hmmm let's see...........



Now for the Big one defense..........

The Jets

PTS 11.0 (2nd)

YDS 256.0 (3rd)

PASS YDS 173.3 (6th)

RUSH YDS 82.7 (9th)





The Patriots

PTS 16.7 (7th)

YDS 262.3 (6th)

PASS YDS 174.0 (7th)

RUSH YDS 88.3 (10th)




Over the course of an entire season it's going to be interesting to see how both teams progress on O and D. The Patriots defense isn't as bad as most thought.

The only problem with using points against to rank defenses is that it doesn't take into consideration points given up by the offense, as in the pick 6 versus Buffalo. That's 7 points counting against the defense when it shouldn't be. They have given up 18,16, and 10 points for a total of 44 (14.6) average.

 

[bostonia3333]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

I think the biggest stat is the 3rd down defense. It seems like the Pats have been awesome at that so far.

 

[MrTibbs]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

I laugh because the media acts like the Jets defense is the second coming of the 85 Bears defense. Nobody seems to notice the Patriots defense has done pretty well themselves minus all the yappin and "hey look at me" player wanting attention.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

the numbers are working themselves out......the pats have been inefficient thus far.......bad red zone offense is what has this team at 2 and 1......

the jets have been getting the breaks early and have managed to stay 100% healthy.........every week there is a new roll of film on the jets and what they do......new orleans will provide the blueprint which the pats will be ready to follow in november

 

[mayoclinic]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

Just how much better are the Jets on defense and offense then the Patriots through 3 weeks.........hmmm let's see...........

The Jets

PTS 21.3 (13th)

YDS 315.0 (21st)

PASS YDS 185.0 (25th)

RUSH YDS 130.0 (11th)


The Patriots

PTS 20.0 (17th)

YDS 395.0 (5th)

PASS YDS 287.0 (3rd)

RUSH YDS 108.0 (18th)



Now for the Big one defense..........

The Jets

PTS 11.0 (2nd)

YDS 256.0 (3rd)

PASS YDS 173.3 (6th)

RUSH YDS 82.7 (9th)





The Patriots

PTS 16.7 (7th)

YDS 262.3 (6th)

PASS YDS 174.0 (7th)

RUSH YDS 88.3 (10th)




Over the course of an entire season it's going to be interesting to see how both teams progress on O and D. The Patriots defense isn't as bad as most thought.

Take away the Brady INT for a TD and it is 14.3 PPG vs. 11.0. However, those stats don't tell the full story. For example, what is the Jets vs. Pats opposing QB rating? How many turnovers has each defense caused? The Jets defense has been much more disruptive, holding Matt Schaub to a 54.5% completion rate with a 55.9 QB rating and 0 TDs/1 INT; Tom Brady to a 49% completion rate with a 53.1 QB rating and 0 TDs and 1 INT; and Kerry Collins to a 40.5% completion rate with a QB rating of 41.5 with 1TD/2 INTs. In contrast, the Pats have allowed QB ratings of 114.1, 101.1 and 82.3, haven't had an INT, and haven't allowed an opposing QB to complete less than 60% of his passes.

The Pats defense is quite good, as you point out, and very underrated. I'm confident that with time it will become very good this season. But it has not been dominant the way the Jets' defense has, no matter how close the stats are. And I'm as big a homer as anyone.

 

[Sanchize]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

You know what they say about stats? Figures lie and liars figure. But I agree with you that our defense is better then they are given credit for.

I agree with you, the only stats that matter are wins and losses. Stats can get so distorted by game situations, especially when you're looking at only a few weeks. With that being said, yes I'm a Jet fan obviously, and I think the Pats are still the odds on favorite to win the division. I think the Jets D is gonna be extremely good, but the problem is we're starting a rookie quarterback. It's alot easier on a defense to have an offense that is gonna hold onto the ball, eat up clock, and give the D rest time. Sanchez is gonna continue to get better and I like him alot, but the Jets true defensive stats won't be until the team is balanced.

 

[crypto]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

The Jets defense has peaked way too early. I don't see them playing any better than they already are; they simply don't have enough talent. Now, I'm not saying the Jets are going to stumble, but no way will they keep up that 11-point average. The Patriots defense has had hardly any time to gel, and they're still hot on the Jets' heels. I realize I sound like a broken record now, but the Patriots defense will be among the top 10 by the end of the season, at least as good (statistically, and statistics only mean so much come January) as the Jets.

 

[jmt57]

The Patriots

PTS 20.0 (17th)

YDS 395.0 (5th)

PASS YDS 287.0 (3rd)

RUSH YDS 108.0 (18th)

If it wasn't obvious already, those numbers do point out one area of concern. No, not the pass/run ratio. When a team is 5th in yardage but only 17th in points - and isn't turning the ball over - it's obvious the red zone efficiency needs to improve. The Pats need to finish off drives with more touchdowns and less settling for field goals. It really hurt them in the Jets game, for example.

One thing I'd like to see is more snaps from under center in that area of the field. When they line up in the shotgun they're practically telling the opposing defense "we're going to pass" in those situations. Most defenses are expecting a run in those situations. I'm not saying the Pats should never pass when they're that close; just line up under center even if Brady does pass to keep them guessing.

 

[JoeSixPat]

I don't get bogged down in these types of stats... Colts fans for years boasted about how statistically good their team was to cover up the fact that they couldn't win big games.

For some reason Red Zone offense was left out of these stats.

The eyeball test says that the Defense is playing better than expected and the offense worse than they are capable of, however there are many good signs from the Atlanta game.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

The Pats defense is quite good, as you point out, and very underrated. I'm confident that with time it will become very good this season. But it has not been dominant the way the Jets' defense has, no matter how close the stats are. And I'm as big a homer as anyone.

Absolutely, but also consider that if you look at Reiss' stats on who played how many snaps, almost half the defense are guys who were not wearing Pats uniforms last year (or starting) and are just learning the system. The results are pretty decent so far when you consider that factor and the learning curve...
Granted TBC has played here before but it's been several years...

http://espn.go.com/boston/columns/blog?name=reiss
Bodden 45/46
Springs 45/46
Mcgowan 33/46
Pryor 27/46
TBC 25/46
Burgess 19/46
Guyton 46/46 *** playing Mayo's role so I included him

 

[Mark Morse]

I have been pleasantly surprised by how well the Patriots Defense has played this year. Starting the season with 2 divisional opponents, that yahoo crowd and atmosphere in the Medowlands and shutting down a potent offense from Atlanta.

Two key stats jump out at me on Defense: Time the defense in on the field (avg around 21 minutes) which is ranked 2nd to the Giants and 3d down proficiency which is 1st at 20%. Bottom line here is they are getting off the field and getting the offense opportunities. They are only a +1 in the turnover rate, but that will come with more familiarity.

On offense, the Red Zone efficiency, scoring TD's instead of FG's needs drastic improvement. That will come. The interesting stat is No Fumbles!

Give the Jets their due, Ryan has them playing like they were the Ravens that won the Super Bowl. They are not asking Sanchez to do too much nad he is making smart decisions. Its a long season and we shall see what becomes of both teams, but I like our chances!!!

 

[mosslost]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

They have given up 18,16, and 10 points for a total of 44 (14.6) average.

Being that the offense gave up the six, does that mean the extra point is on the defense?

 

[jetsrule]

Re: Jets vs. Patriots offense and defensive rankings.

The Jets defense has peaked way too early. I don't see them playing any better than they already are;

I completely agree once clavin pace comes back (the jets best pass rusher) the defense will begin to sufffer.