OT: David Givens sues Titans

[pats1]

David Givens sues Titans for $25 million | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[reflexblue]

First it sounds like more than just a football related injury, it sounds like it could be congenital, and playing football worsened it.


"Its not about the money" of course how could anyone be so silly to think it was.

"David is not the happy guy i used to know" well he can get a knee replacement.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

First it sounds like more than just a football related injury, it sounds like it could be congenital, and playing football worsened it.


"Its not about the money" of course how could anyone be so silly to think it was.

"David is not the happy guy i used to know" well he can get a knee replacement.

Obviously, I'm not a professional football player, so I can only imagine just how much football truly means to Givens. So to suddenly have that taken away from you, perhaps through no real fault of your own, could be truly devastating.

 

[reflexblue]

Obviously, I'm not a professional football player, so I can only imagine just how much football truly means to Givens. So to suddenly have that taken away from you, perhaps through no real fault of your own, could be truly devastating.

I'm sure it is to Givens, its his agent that i quoted. Years ago i hurt my thumb were i was working i couldn't use my right hand for a while, it was a congenital defect in the baselor joint. I like being able to use my hand like givens likes playing football. But it wasn't the companies fault that it happened, it was pre-existing. My job at the time hastened the onset of the problem.

"it was ultimately determined that the previously-known lesion and defect in his knee had crumbled."

If this is the case his knee would have crumbled eventually, football just speed up the process.

I think Givens does have a case because he was NO LONGER Able to play.

My problem is more with Givens agent and the dramatics.

 

[Gwedd]

If the Titans failed to inform Givens about the injury or defect, then yes, he has a very strong case against them, the statute of limitations notwithstanding.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If the Titans failed to inform Givens about the injury or defect, then yes, he has a very strong case against them, the statute of limitations notwithstanding.

IANAL, but I think that in a case where one party has deceived another, the clock starts when that deception is discovered, not from the date of the original exam.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Sounds like these findings were part of his pre contract physical. Might explain why there were never any other serious takers in his UFA season (his hometown Houston team lowballed him). It appeared at the time that Tennessee overpaid for a guy who wasn't generating the expected level of interest on the FA market. Many people have since pointed to the loss of Givens in 2005 and Branch in 2006 because the team wouldn't simply pay them as one of the reasons we failed to threepeat or fourpeat as expected... Thing is teams usually know more about players and situations than fans do. Few players come in to the league let alone remain there without both players and organizations balancing concerns, often times revolving around potential durability issues. Neither Givens nor Branch has played a full season or a meaningful role for an NFL team since the day they left.

I feel bad for David. He always seemed like a good kid and we didn't really make any effort to retain him. At the time many assumed it was just because with Branch already chomping at the bit for a new deal we couldn't or wouldn't because of how that would have raised the bar - and we were cheaping out. Perhaps all along our remarkably fallable HC was simply playing out the string with two guys he believed would never provide value with big second deals because despite some talent they had substantial potential medical/durability issues looming.

 

[spacecrime]

"it was ultimately determined that the previously-known lesion and defect in his knee had crumbled."

If this is the case his knee would have crumbled eventually, football just speed up the process.

I think Givens does have a case because he was NO LONGER Able to play.

My problem is more with Givens agent and the dramatics.

Givens said had he known about the defect, he would have had it repaired before playing football. Whatever the results might have been, the Titans were wrong in withholding this information. Perhaps had Givens had the operation, the knee would not have been adequate for football, but by not telling him, the Titans let him continue on a course pretty much guaranteed to destroy his knee.

He should have been told beforehand. It is possible that the Titans will be not LEGALLY responsible, but I cannot see how their actions are acceptible in any way from a human or moral standpoint.

 

[spacecrime]

I feel bad for David. He always seemed like a good kid and we didn't really make any effort to retain him. At the time many assumed it was just because with Branch already chomping at the bit for a new deal we couldn't or wouldn't because of how that would have raised the bar - and we were cheaping out. Perhaps all along our remarkably fallable HC was simply playing out the string with two guys he believed would never provide value with big second deals because despite some talent they had substantial potential medical/durability issues looming.

This isn't right. We made Givens a huge offer, but the Titans offered more. If the archives are available, go check. Givens took the larger offer because he'd been playing for 7th round money and wanted a payday. But we offered decent, competitive money, over $20 mil IIRC.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

He should have been told beforehand. It is possible that the Titans will be not LEGALLY responsible, but I cannot see how their actions are acceptible in any way from a human or moral standpoint.

:agree: :agree:

POTD.

 

[patsfan-1982]

This isn't right. We made Givens a huge offer, but the Titans offered more. If the archives are available, go check. Givens took the larger offer because he'd been playing for 7th round money and wanted a payday. But we offered decent, competitive money, over $20 mil IIRC.

the pats only offerd him like 16 million over 5 years

the texans offerd him 17.5 million over 5 years

the titans offerd him 24 million over 5 years

he made the right move he got hurt that year and may never play football again so he needs all the money he can get

and it worked out good for the pats to if they resign givens

maybe he dose not get hurt

but they dont trade for welker and moss

 

[Garbanza]

Um.....I'm think Givens is a good guy and all, but OF COURSE IT'S ABOUT THEY MONEY!

He leaves NE for a big payday - and good for him - but it was about the money!

He's suing the Titans for negligence - and good for him - but it's about the money!

I do have my question about the lawsuit though....why would the Titans pay him all that money if they knew his knee was shot?

 

[tedylb]

David Givens sues Titans-25 Mil

David Givens sues Titans for $25 million | ProFootballTalk.com

I miss Givens. Hope he gets a good settlement

 

[Bring Back Antowain!]

For anyone who needs a reminder of what this guy went through:

BOSTON GLOBE ARTICLE FROM 2008

 

[Bring Back Antowain!]

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[BradyFTW!]

Um.....I'm think Givens is a good guy and all, but OF COURSE IT'S ABOUT THEY MONEY!

He leaves NE for a big payday - and good for him - but it was about the money!

He's suing the Titans for negligence - and good for him - but it's about the money!

I do have my question about the lawsuit though....why would the Titans pay him all that money if they knew his knee was shot?

That's the only thing that doesn't add up for me. It doesn't make sense for the Titans, having just signed this guy as a FA to a lucrative contract, to then go out and have him play on an injury that they knew would end his career. He's an investment to the team, and teams protect their investments. If he was an UDFA, or near the end of his contract, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but strictly from an investment standpoint, this account makes no sense from the Titans' end.

That said, I'm with spacecrime: if they Titans did actually withhold this info from Givens, then that's despicable, and they're responsible for not giving him the opportunity to get this problem fixed before it ended his career (although I'm always surprised if/when athletes don't see their own doctors for outside opinions on a regular basis).

 

[MoLewisrocks]

This isn't right. We made Givens a huge offer, but the Titans offered more. If the archives are available, go check. Givens took the larger offer because he'd been playing for 7th round money and wanted a payday. But we offered decent, competitive money, over $20 mil IIRC.

No, we didn't. In fact the Texans offered him a million more than we did and he was crashingly disappointed. We didn't even make him an offer until FA opened, and ours was loaded with unmakeable incentives...even if his knee didn't blow.

Wrong wrote a lengthy piece on the negotiations.

If the Patriots had given me an offer I couldn't refuse I would have stayed. That wasn't the case but it was still difficult to leave. It's a great organization. They helped me win two Super Bowls and gave me an opportunity to show my ability.

''I kept the Patriots in my mind but Tennessee seemed like it had a good organization. I'm not saying the Patriots are dishonest, but I felt the Titans were very honest right from the minute I got there. I just felt more comfortable there. I play a lot better when I feel comfortable. I know they'll expect a lot of me but I accept that role. I want to be one of their major guys. I want that pressure."

At $4.8 million a year now, he's got it.

As the Texans' sales pitch grew, it became ever more disingenuous. They talked of the millions he could make in local endorsements... Still Givens was wavering. He was tired, eager to come home (to Houston) and now aware the Patriots had made a $17.5 million offer at 6:12 p.m. Sunday night that was $1 million below Houston's and nowhere near the Titans' proposal... By 9:10 a.m. Monday, Givens was in his third city in three days and his head was spinning. As he arrived Blank told him he had pushed the Titans up to $23.8 million. Givens learned the offer he received had bettered all of the above, including Randle El's seven-year, $31 million deal.

Soon after, Givens met with coach Jeff Fisher, position coach Ray Sherman, and offensive coordinator Norm Chow, as well as Reese, and all was going well, but he was growing ever more tired, stressed, and anxious. Decision time was near.

''It sounds like fun but you're up at 5 a.m. every morning, flying around, meeting people you don't know all day, being interviewed. You're with those guys all day. You're pretty stressed. I lost 6 or 7 pounds because I couldn't eat and I wasn't sleeping much. I took three full body physicals in 72 hours. MRIs, X-rays, everything. They all drew blood, and needles are my worst enemy. It was wild."

Inside the Givens talks - The Boston Globe

 

[MoLewisrocks]

That's the only thing that doesn't add up for me. It doesn't make sense for the Titans, having just signed this guy as a FA to a lucrative contract, to then go out and have him play on an injury that they knew would end his career. He's an investment to the team, and teams protect their investments. If he was an UDFA, or near the end of his contract, I wouldn't be surprised at all, but strictly from an investment standpoint, this account makes no sense from the Titans' end.

That said, I'm with spacecrime: if they Titans did actually withhold this info from Givens, then that's despicable, and they're responsible for not giving him the opportunity to get this problem fixed before it ended his career (although I'm always surprised if/when athletes don't see their own doctors for outside opinions on a regular basis).

I guess someone should ask Floyd what happened, then.