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Listening to Sports Extra, and apparently there was a lot of chatter about receivers not making the proper blitz adjustments on their routes and the coaches not making adjustments based on the JETS seemingly knowing, or doing a heck of a job consistently guessing, which play was coming out of what set. That all probably has something to do with all the new faces having not nearly mastered the entire playbook. And then BB detailing that the first series of the second half was what cost them the game on defense. Two plays where they had the ideal coverage only the safety and corner collided on the 45 yarder and McGowan guessed wrong on the TD.

So one mental and one physical error on defense and struggling physically with protections and mentally with blitz adjustments on offense.

The hubris here is almost comical.

What hubris? I see mostly valid points being made, incl. yours, with which most of us would agree. A slice of the humble has to be served to Brady, too. Of course he made a lot of his throws under duress, but some he made - and still missed - were thrown under little duress. Some of that duress would be somewhat alleviated if Bill would stick with the running game longer, show more running formations, use play-action from those formations, get rid of the Empty Backfield during makeable down/distance situations, and find us a FB - or at least use Morris as FB more often.
 
A slice of the humble has to be served to Brady, too. Of course he made a lot of his throws under duress, but some he made - and still missed - were thrown under little duress. Some of that duress would be somewhat alleviated if Bill would stick with the running game longer, show more running formations, use play-action from those formations, get rid of the Empty Backfield during makeable down/distance situations, and find us a FB - or at least use Morris as FB more often.

Brady was eating humble pie before you had time to run out to your kitchen and bake some.
If there is a humbler "star" athlete, I'd like to know who it is.
 
It's funny watching people attempt to convince themselves that Brady's mechanics are perfect and his errant throws are results of being pressured on every single solitary down. Just not the case. Is the O-Line playing badly? Sure. Myself and many others have been saying that for a long time now. However, there were clearly issues with Brady's mechanics and you could see it even when he wasn't pressured. He's CLEARLY gun shy in the pocket. And so he was pressured? So what? Are you guys seriously going to try to tell me that Tom Brady has never been pressured like that before? The Jets didn't do anything special. They didn't do anything that other teams weren't able to do against us in the past. The only difference is that in the past, Brady wasn't afraid to step forward... into pressure... and into his throws. Now he is. If you can't see that his mechanics are bad then you're blind. I'm sorry, but that's just the only way to say it. And another thing, the ENTIRE WORLD sees that his mechanics are off with the exception of a few on this forum.

Rest assured though, it's just a matter of time before he finds his comfort in the pocket. Considering who we've got up next, I hope it's soon.
 
Welker is so important to this offense because we don't have steady consistent production from a tightend
 
Well, I agree.

The question is WHAT IS TO BE DONE? Who is to be punished? Who should be forced to eat the excrement sandwich that Rex Ryan dumped all over us?

I can only think of BB and Brady. Brady needs to get his head out of the clouds (or Gisele's panties) and get in the game.

His look while he was on the sideline and Sanchez was marching them down the field was classic. Get with the game Brady, or time will pass you by. Maybe pride will bring him back. Maybe he doesn't like being walked on and ridiculed and used as a whipping boy by Rex Ryan.

Brady is our Sampson. Is Gisele our Delilah? Or is his knee still balky? Or is he fame infatuated? Fame is fleeting to those who worship it.

This has nothing to do with Gisele unless you can prove that Gisele is what is making Tommy stand completely upright when he delivers a pass.
 
Pots and kettles.

I hope you're wrong. Those who don't see where there mistakes were in the past are doomed to repeat them in the future.

Although if they're really smart, like I believe Bill is, they wait for history to put them in perspective. Sometimes it turns out they weren't mistakes at all...

Speaking of pots and kettles, you're a funny guy. Used to start protracted debates here with people who made bold opinion statements absent any factual basis.


Brady didn't knock the rust off mentally or physically last week only to revert to it this week. The assessment of his mechanics last week was not mine but JAWS. This week he was dealing with a lot stiffer pass rush and a couple of new receivers in addition to one who has appeared to be slow grasping the offense and an old friend Randy whose shortcomings/incomsistencies you've expressed concern about in the past.

The OP can't recall Brady ever struggling like this under pressure. I on the other hand have some vivid memories. He's also human and has been known to have an entirely out of sorts day every now and again for no discernable reason. Those usually manifest themselves in an inordinate number of picks for a guy who prides himself in not making costly mistakes.

This was all about pressure and timing. While last Monday was clearly also about rust and finding his way back from injury, Sunday appeared to be just a continuem of a problem that first began to manifest itself down the stretch in 2007. When we still had Seymour and Harrison and Vrabel and Bruschi and even Seau and that defense failed to cover Brady's hard fought come from behind drive with just 3 minutes to go for a ring. This is his third game back since and he's facing the same problems that plagued him in his last game before the knee injury.

Listening to him on WEEI today I clearly get that sense reinforced. Not executing efficiently is his shorthand for we got some route adjustment and protection issues to iron out. He will never point fingers or throw an individual teamate under the bus. (And he always makes a point of lauding his OL which I understand is something QB's have to do for practical purposes. It annoys me they never, ever speak up and take responsibility in kind.)

But on the heels of Moss' postgame comments about going backwards in the fourth quarter (when we did that throughout the game as well and he was part of it via a facemask call) I though it was enlightening that rather than just take it on the chin for an overthrow pick Tom opted to explain that he had called Moss over at that juncture and told him he was going to take a deep shot, as deep as he could launch it, because they hadn't been able to attempt let alone connect through the first six quarters. I think he clearly expected Moss to find a way to beat single coverage rather than get beat off the jam and slow up as if he wasn't expecting the throw and blather about double coverage that wasn't there in the postgame as well. Kind of jived with the picture I saw on the sidelines after that turnover with Moss sitting sheepishly alongside his usually engaging QB who was seemingly ignoring him.

It was an interesting experiment and certainly worth a shot at the price two years ago. No way they are getting value here at this juncture. Particularly considering the bullseye painted on Brady's chest since the end of the record breaking, in your face season. They can still exploit certain matchups, but others are increasingly embracing the blueprint two years in with an eye on not being one of them. And we haven't hit on anything consistently approaching an antidote.
 
Welker is so important to this offense because we don't have steady consistent production from a tightend


That's in no small part because they are tied up with blocking assignments and not out running routes.
 
Although if they're really smart, like I believe Bill is, they wait for history to put them in perspective. Sometimes it turns out they weren't mistakes at all...

Speaking of pots and kettles, you're a funny guy. Used to start protracted debates here with people who made bold opinion statements absent any factual basis....

In the very same post you're belittling the "the mentality that actually believes it can decipher what goes on in an NFL game because they watch them on Sunday." you go on to try and decipher what went on in the game.

If you can't see the issue there, that's on you. It had nothing to do with factual basis.
 
I'm going to throw in my two cents here.

Brady was off, his mechanics were off, and he had a bad game, period. No glossing about it.

I ascribe it to one more more of the following:

1) Being out of the game for one year
2) Playing on a new knee
3) Facing the first, first-rate defense he has faced since SB42.
4) O'Connell's influence on the game calling.

Yes, I said O'Connell, and this has nothing to do with the playcalling- we all saw how they got around it by flashing signs and having players review the new assignations on their wrists, I am talking about blitz or rush tendencies (i.e., when the Jets do such and such blitz, the Pats have such and such adjustments) which we saw how they got around that.

For example on that Moss interception, the play broke down far before that when Brady assigned OL to protect left where he read overload, but the Jets had already set that up as a feint, and if you watch it in the moments leading up to the interception, you will see the overload actually comes from the right side, and that surprised Brady. The fake overload simply dropped back into coverage.

This was by design, and this was a well thought out game on the part of Ryan- on that play Brady was simply outsmarted, and BB was outcoached, pure and simple. If you think Ryan did not start planning for this game the day he became the Jets coach to avenge the embarrasment he suffered two years ago by calling timeout on national TV, you are not a student of human nature.

I really do not see why a lot of people are wetting their pants- it was foreseen that we would have a slow start. I have said this a few times.. No matter how good Brady is, you cannot miss a year of professional football and simply pick up right where you left off and neither can the offense adjust to a quarterback that's been gone a year. He had a brainfart of a game, simply put. He'll be back next week.

Let's not anoint Edelmen as the next Welker just yet- he still has to feel the DB's behind him and upfield, and right now he is running route strictly by the book and hasn't developed the nuances and minute adjustments that Welker is so good at in eluding coverage.

Ryan gambled with leaving Moss in one-on-one with Revis with only a safety rollover option, and it paid off. He was able to shut down the deep threat. Kudos to him.

However next time we will see a vastly different approach, like someone else said (and I can't remember who) do not be surprised to see Welker and Edelmen on the field at the same time when we play the Jets, playing on sight adjusted patterns.

And to those who are complaining about why we don't implement fancy blitz and rush schemes.. the answer to that is if you live by that, you die by that. Ryan was DC from '05 to '08. Number of championships he has won, and conference titles he has won: zero. We play bend but don't break for a reason- our philosophy is based on statistical probabilities of what occurs at such and such point during such and such game.
 
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P-Sych, you had me all the way...until you defended the BBDB defense.
 
P-Sych, you had me all the way...until you defended the BBDB defense.

Lol.. can't win them all.. :disagreement: however, I stand corrected if I see a better argument than mine.
 
And to those who are complaining about why we don't implement fancy blitz and rush schemes.. the answer to that is if you live by that, you die by that. Ryan was DC from '05 to '08. Number of championships he has won, and conference titles he has won: zero. We play bend but don't break for a reason- our philosophy is based on statistical probabilities of what occurs at such and such point during such and such game.

Number of SBs won since 2004 by teams with balanced running/passing games and aggressive, attacking defenses = 4:

2005 - Pittsburgh (aka blitzburgh)
2006 - Indy - no coincidence that the one SB they won was when they had a relatively balanced running/passing attack and when their defense stepped up
2007 - Giants
2008 - Pittsburgh

Number of SBs won since 2004 by BBDB defenses based on "statistical probabilities" = 0.
 
We are a spoiled fanbase.

Pats got beat. There were some plays for the taking. On to the next one. A challenge is good. We saw what 16-0 got us.

The goal is to be at peak performance come playoff time.
 
They can still exploit certain matchups, but others are increasingly embracing the blueprint two years in with an eye on not being one of them. And we haven't hit on anything consistently approaching an antidote.

Exactly. However, I think we know the antidote, though, we just haven't implemented it.

Run. The. Ball.

Once we establish a solid running game, we will be golden. Too much time wasted on Maroney the past few years. This season it seems BB is trying to push the run more, and (I hope) has given up on Maroney as the lynchpin. The problem was in this game he didn't focus on the run in the second half, as Kontradiction said he relied too much on Brady.
 
Assuming, of course, we are IN the playoffs.

I would be shocked if they didn't make the playoffs.

They'll come together in a couple of weeks and I'd take our roster over any other team's come January. If we are healthy. Mayo will be back for the most important run of the year as well.

I wouldn't be surprised if they score over 40 this weekend.
 
Exactly. However, I think we know the antidote, though, we just haven't implemented it.

Run. The. Ball.

Once we establish a solid running game, we will be golden. Too much time wasted on Maroney the past few years. This season it seems BB is trying to push the run more, and (I hope) has given up on Maroney as the lynchpin. The problem was in this game he didn't focus on the run in the second half, as Kontradiction said he relied too much on Brady.

Somehow there's always a way to blame Maroney for something, isn't there?

I'm surprised you didn't manage to squeeze Watson and Sanders in as well. Maybe we can trade all three of them and a 7th round pick to the Vikings for Adrian Peterson.
 
Exactly. However, I think we know the antidote, though, we just haven't implemented it.

Run. The. Ball.

Once we establish a solid running game, we will be golden. Too much time wasted on Maroney the past few years. This season it seems BB is trying to push the run more, and (I hope) has given up on Maroney as the lynchpin. The problem was in this game he didn't focus on the run in the second half, as Kontradiction said he relied too much on Brady.

Yep. The offensive coordination cost them the game. We'll beat the Jets in November.
 
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Number of SBs won since 2004 by teams with balanced running/passing games and aggressive, attacking defenses = 4:

2005 - Pittsburgh (aka blitzburgh)
2006 - Indy - no coincidence that the one SB they won was when they had a relatively balanced running/passing attack and when their defense stepped up
2007 - Giants
2008 - Pittsburgh

Number of SBs won since 2004 by BBDB defenses based on "statistical probabilities" = 0.

Ok, yes that is a good point. My argument, and one that I made in another thread is that I am postulating that since we return only 5 starters from last year (four for the Jets, with Mayo being out) this squad is relatively young/inexperienced and we may be playing conservative until they become acclimated.

I do agree that our running game is lacking right now.
 
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