BB: Jets defense "looks like they xeroxed the Ravens playbook."

[stinkypete]

More to the present, I don't think there can be much question that this was Bill Belichick's response dig at Rex Ryan for Rex's recent ring-polishing comments.

I disagree. I think that for Belichick to state that Ryan is "xeroxing the Ravens playbook" is actually quite complimentary to Ryan and the Jets. This is a Ravens playbook that is partially responsible for the team being a perennial defensive beast.

This Jets team reminds me in a big way of last year's Ravens team. The defenses are similar (to the point where former Ravens starters were brought in to fill in holes in the defense). Both teams are starting rookie QBs with below average receivers, above average offensive lines and very good, 3-headed rushing attacks. I don't think they are destined to go far this year, but I would not be shocked to see them sneak into the 5 or 6 seed in this year's playoffs.

 

[Shrekk]

I disagree. I think that for Belichick to state that Ryan is "xeroxing the Ravens playbook" is actually quite complimentary to Ryan and the Jets. This is a Ravens playbook that is partially responsible for the team being a perennial defensive beast.

This Jets team reminds me in a big way of last year's Ravens team. The defenses are similar (to the point where former Ravens starters were brought in to fill in holes in the defense). Both teams are starting rookie QBs with below average receivers, above average offensive lines and very good, 3-headed rushing attacks. I don't think they are destined to go far this year, but I would not be shocked to see them sneak into the 5 or 6 seed in this year's playoffs.

5 or 6 seeds seems very reasonable, we have a favorable schedule besides the first 4 games. Its set up in such a way where we will have "breaks" in between big games. We have a bye, then come back against the Jags, then 2 new england, then carolina, then TB and the bills, its quite manageable in my opinion, facing off against cincy and the raiders will work in are favor as opposed to playing the ravens like you guys are or the steelers/chargers like miami is.

 

[MrTibbs]

How many times have the Patriots lost to a Ryan defense and how many points have they averaged per game? Does anyone know? I can't recall a tough game the Patriots had against the Ravens except for 07 but that was horrid conditions to pass the ball and Brady still put up 270+ passing yards.

 

[Sundayjack]

I had to go back and confirm that I heard what I thought I heard. I just skipped through to the part where he starts talking about the Jets, so I can't tell you if there are any other slips of the tongue. This here starts at 00:20:00

It's hard to. . .it was hard to watch that film and at times wonder exactly how they (Houston) were trying to handle some of the things that Baltimore was doing. You know, you. . . everybody gets caught in a bad play against a bad defense. . . but you know, there are times when it just looked like they had an opportunity to block some of the things that they. . . that Baltimore was running and they.. . .

 

[Gwedd]

How many times have the Patriots lost to a Ryan defense and how many points have they averaged per game? Does anyone know? I can't recall a tough game the Patriots had against the Ravens except for 07 but that was horrid conditions to pass the ball and Brady still put up 270+ passing yards.

I wouldn't worry too terribly much about the Jets' defense. If I were a Jets fan, I'd be more worried about Sanchez surviving a collision with Big Vince.

 

[Sundayjack]

I disagree. I think that for Belichick to state that Ryan is "xeroxing the Ravens playbook" is actually quite complimentary to Ryan and the Jets. This is a Ravens playbook that is partially responsible for the team being a perennial defensive beast.

This Jets team reminds me in a big way of last year's Ravens team. The defenses are similar (to the point where former Ravens starters were brought in to fill in holes in the defense). Both teams are starting rookie QBs with below average receivers, above average offensive lines and very good, 3-headed rushing attacks. I don't think they are destined to go far this year, but I would not be shocked to see them sneak into the 5 or 6 seed in this year's playoffs.

I don't think there's any chance in hell that one coach would take that as a compliment from another coach. It's essentially saying, "You have no original ideas of your own," which may very well be true for ALL of the National Football League, but saying it out in public means somethings. That's a diss. Doesn't bother me. I'm tickled that he'd amp things up like that. Makes it all more fun.

 

[patsox23]

This is why I keep saying Ryan is utilizing Jenkins as his personal Ray Lewis, because many of those D packages have the same characterism with Jenkins motioning to hybrid LB on pressures up the middle.

Do you really mean Jenkins? They play two wildly different positions. Jenkins is HUGE. Please elaborate, either way. Thanks.

 

[patsox23]

I don't think there's any chance in hell that one coach would take that as a compliment from another coach. It's essentially saying, "You have no original ideas of your own," which may very well be true for ALL of the National Football League, but saying it out in public means somethings. That's a diss. Doesn't bother me. I'm tickled that he'd amp things up like that. Makes it all more fun.

Disagree. Not sure why we'd assume using a similar playbook put in at his last team - to great success - is inherently contemptuous or demeaning. It's neither a put-down nor a compliment. It is, one might say, what it is.

 

[Little Big Head]

Do you really mean Jenkins? They play two wildly different positions. Jenkins is HUGE. Please elaborate, either way. Thanks.

Then, things really got wacky. On 3rd and 12, 6-4, 360-pound Kris Jenkins lined up on the left side before getting out of his stance and assuming a linebacker spot three yards off the line of scrimmage. Inside linebackers David Harris and Bart Scott crept up to the line and blitzed through the "A" Gap (between the center and guard). Jenkins rushed behind the two inside linebackers as part of a five-man blitz scheme. (Bryan Thomas, who lined up on the right edge, and Vernon Gholston, who lined up on the left side, both dropped into coverage). Harris hit Schaub as he threw an incompletion to kill the drive. (The Jets tried a similar package in the second quarter, but the Texans made the right call on a quick screen pass to RB Steve Slaton that resulted in a 14-yard gain).
NY Jets Rewind: Analyzing the Good, Bad & Ugly from 24-7 win against Houston Texans in Week 1 - NJ.com

 

[PatsFanSince74]

I think pass blocking was the big concern at which the Texans failed miserably. I assume the Patriots will be better prepared for the Green Beans blitzing schemes.

...um, they better be...

 

[Xplicit]

you should see the thread on this in the jets forum. Obsessing on how much we suck and cheat blah blah. Acting like BB called Rex a fatass or something. I'm not registered over there, I just like reading some of the threads from those tards

 

[Tunescribe]

I don't think there's any chance in hell that one coach would take that as a compliment from another coach. It's essentially saying, "You have no original ideas of your own," which may very well be true for ALL of the National Football League, but saying it out in public means somethings. That's a diss. Doesn't bother me. I'm tickled that he'd amp things up like that. Makes it all more fun.

I don't see anything at all negative in BB's remark. All he's saying is that T-Wrecks brought the Ravens defensive system with him to New Jersey.

 

[Little Big Head]

I dont really take the quotation as any big deal as a Jets fan. BB will have his fingerprints all over the defensive game plan to stop Sanchez and the Jets running game, but how much of his ideas go into the offensive side of the game plan? I always thought that was more in the hands of the OC. Do the Pats have an OC or is BB calling the plays there? Not sure

 

[smg93]

No, you clearly did, that much is apparent.

Bellichick wasn't ripping Ryan for using it, he was saying based on the film he's seen, you prepare for the Jets D the same way you prepared for the Ravens, not based on the schemes (or lack thereof) used in the pre-season.

If there was a shot at anyone in there, it was at Gary Kubiak for failing to recognize it.

I'm pretty sure that Chowda was being sarcastic. The point being if you had a top 5 defense last year, wouldn't you try to emulate it?

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

I thought it was interesting to hear how close he came to just calling out the Texans for poor coaching, and how he noted that the Jets were winning the "3 on 3" type of plays, how Schaub wasn't getting rid of the ball, etc....

Houston did not fare well in that discussion.

They fared better than they did in the actual game.

 

[JtudsJetsFan]

No, you clearly did, that much is apparent.

Bellichick wasn't ripping Ryan for using it, he was saying based on the film he's seen, you prepare for the Jets D the same way you prepared for the Ravens, not based on the schemes (or lack thereof) used in the pre-season.

If there was a shot at anyone in there, it was at Gary Kubiak for failing to recognize it.

I think it can be a shot at Ryan. Systems can become stale, no matter how good they are. Once you get beat a few times doing the same thing, and maybe get beat a couple different ways, everyone else will follow suit. You need to add new wrinkles, even if that's something simple like flipping the pressure or blitzing the strong safety instead of the free safety....little things like that. I have never seen coach's tape of the Pats, but I imagine one of the things Belichick has done over the years is find ways of makign old things look new.

Also, and this is something I think the Jets will finally get in their head coach, Belichick doesn't seem shaken by losing good players. His appraoch to this is so fundamental that high school coaches could do it, but so many pro head coaches can't, or won't. It seems that when Bill loses a guy who is talented in one area, he finds another player to fill that void, even if he only uses the we guy in situations where that particular ability is needed. Or, when he loses a player with one set of skills and acquires a player with a different set of skills, he slightly changes the focus of the player's role to make the most of tha abilities the guy has. As long as the guy is a football player, it seems that Bill has a use for him. I think Ryan is the same way.

Despite all I've said, I don't think even Bill Belichick could make a player out of Vernon Gholston.

 

[JSn]

I think maybe Bill is unconsciously telling Ryan prepping for his defense will be easy enough, because they can just study Ravens tape.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

classic BB, getting into Wrecks' head...

"hmmm, maybe I should try something new?"..."no, maybe I should stick to what worked in Baltimore"..."damn that Belichick!"

 

[RobertWeathers]

Ryan is a good defensive mind. Thats been proven. Not sure about his HC abilities. Time will tell.

I do think that BB (maybe not intentionally but who knows) tweaked Ryan a little with the comment which essentially was (I know everything about you). From the interview, I don't recall him being as candid and insighful into what other teams should have done to counteract a particular defensive call (texans not blocking well or schematically being inept).

Very interesting..

 

[Tunescribe]

It just occurred to me that what's most impressive about that comment is BB knows so much about the Ravens' defensive playbook.