WTF Green

[satz]

Green had a horrible game .

Bills game plan was seal vince and ty with a te,gaurd,center and tackle
then the left gaurd did not bother chip blocking green and was in the backfield
sealing the LB.

Green was schooled by a 7th rd draft pick in his first start. He was on 1 on 1 match up and did nothing.

then they just ran right at green with no LB pursuit as the gaurd was sealing the inside edge

screen passed the inside screen too.

The who DL looked bad because of this,they ran away from Ty and vince and had the right side all game.

next week we face d.brick who gets smacked around by seymour every year and is a way better LT then the bills..... i am worried what he is going to do.

unless the pats show they can stop this simple setup look for thomas jones/washington in the backfield.

 

[Absurdly Metro]

Good point. While I wasn;t especially looking for him I don;t remember hearing his name called even once.

 

[BradyManny]

I was really missing Big Sey last nite, and I thought Green stood out in a negative way on a couple plays in the first half. I have always said - and its backed up the #'s - that there is a massive drop-off between Seymour and Green when it comes to run defense. I trust in Belichick, but I can't help but wonder if the Raiders offered a deal so sweet that it is going to make life harder on this defense this season.

 

[letekro]

I was really missing Big Sey last nite, and I thought Green stood out in a negative way on a couple plays in the first half. I have always said - and its backed up the #'s - that there is a massive drop-off between Seymour and Green when it comes to run defense. I trust in Belichick, but I can't help but wonder if the Raiders offered a deal so sweet that it is going to make life harder on this defense this season.

Of course it's going to make life harder this year. The point is, they're still a SB contender, AND they added a 2011 1st, instead of being a slightly better SB contender and letting Seymour get away for nothing.

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Of course it's going to make life harder this year. The point is, they're still a SB contender, AND they added a 2011 1st, instead of being a slightly better SB contender and letting Seymour get away for nothing.

Last night, the Bills RB's gained 65 yards on 17 carries for a 3.82 yards per attempt.

This may be hard to fathom but NFL offenses will get positive yardage on some plays.

The one area that was bad was Edwards and his mobility. I don't know if that is part of the "new" Bills because I don't remember him being mobile.

 

[BradyManny]

Of course it's going to make life harder this year. The point is, they're still a SB contender, AND they added a 2011 1st, instead of being a slightly better SB contender and letting Seymour get away for nothing.

But it's not for nothing:

a) we get a year of Seymour's service, most importantly
b) we'd probably get a 3rd round comp pick for him, depending upon how many FAs we sign and whatnot
c) if there's no new CBA, we will be heavily restricted in free agency, particularly when it comes to signing other team's players. since we expect to be one of the top teams in the league, we'll be handcuffed to only signing FA equaling those we lost. losing big sey in FA would allow us to go after another big FA if we wanted to. now, we can't.

And frankly, I don't think the Raiders are as bad as people think, sure, will the pick be top 10? Maybe. But I don't think its worth it, we have enough of a youth movement already.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Last night, the Bills RB's gained 65 yards on 17 carries for a 3.82 yards per attempt.

This may be hard to fathom but NFL offenses will get positive yardage on some plays.

The one area that was bad was Edwards and his mobility. I don't know if that is part of the "new" Bills because I don't remember him being mobile.

Don't try to sell that here... Too many disappointed fans looking for someone to blame for a lousy 1 point win and their season being ovah.

 

[BradyManny]

Don't try to sell that here... Too many disappointed fans looking for someone to blame for a lousy 1 point win and their season being ovah.

I don't think its overreaction to watch last nite's game and be missing Seymour. Green is just not as good a player as Big Sey, there is no disputing that. The defense played fairly well, the secondary looked great, and the pass rush looked good when they teed off at the end. But was Big Sey missed? I'd say absolutely.

 

[satz]

Last night, the Bills RB's gained 65 yards on 17 carries for a 3.82 yards per attempt.

This may be hard to fathom but NFL offenses will get positive yardage on some plays.

The one area that was bad was Edwards and his mobility. I don't know if that is part of the "new" Bills because I don't remember him being mobile.

Again you see no issues with a 7th rd LT making his start handling him 1 on 1 ?.

I am asking him to decent against a rookie 7th RD rookie who got the job after they fired the starting LT last week .So this guy was not even in the starting rep in training camp.

 

[letekro]

Again you see no issues with a 7th rd LT making his start handling him 1 on 1 ?.

I am asking him to decent against a rookie 7th RD rookie who got the job after they fired the starting LT last week .So this guy was not even in the starting rep in training camp.

Enough with this. NFL starters are capable of playing well on any given Sunday. The guy played well. Green isn't Seymour, but we've seen in the past that the dropoff is not severe.

 

[DarrylS]

Again you see no issues with a 7th rd LT making his start handling him 1 on 1 ?.

I am asking him to decent against a rookie 7th RD rookie who got the job after they fired the starting LT last week .So this guy was not even in the starting rep in training camp.

There was a 6th round qb, playing for the Pats who did a hell of a job... fyi something like 45% of the Pats roster is made up of undrafted free agents... the draft is a good thing for ESPN and internet chatter, but in reality there are a lot of players drafted later who do well in the NFL...

 

[patsfaninpittsburgh]

Again you see no issues with a 7th rd LT making his start handling him 1 on 1 ?.

I am asking him to decent against a rookie 7th RD rookie who got the job after they fired the starting LT last week .So this guy was not even in the starting rep in training camp.

Let's review:

Will Sey be missed? Yes he will. However, we did miss him in plenty of games over the years.

I will also state that we probably missed Mayo more.

In the future, NFL opponents will gain yardage from time to time on plays. Furthermore, they will get first downs and ... <gasp>... score some points.

The area where I am concerned is those screens and Edwards getting out of the pocket. Didn't realize he had that in his game but that type of play will give Leon Washington a field day.

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

I can't believe those God Damn Bills did not let us blow them out. Don't they know that we are the Patriots. All we got was this crappy 1 point win. Come to think of it. I don't even want it anymore.

Seriously guys. Lets give the Bills a smidge of credit here. They came to play and executed pretty well. O line did way better then we all thought. Imagine that, they are pro football players too. Do we have a lot of work to do? Yeah, we do. Week 1, it's a work in progress.

NEW FLASH: Seymour doesn't play for us anymore. If you really miss him, do like I did and change the channel and watch him on his new team. Otherwise, Seymour is IRRELEVANT to what we need to do to win the game against the Jets.

Granted the Seymour stuff is board wide (not just this thread), but its frustrating to keep looking back.

 

[Lord_Reginald_III]

The area where I am concerned is those screens and Edwards getting out of the pocket. Didn't realize he had that in his game but that type of play will give Leon Washington a field day.

that and the pitches, it seemed like pats were doubling up on the receivers which left those running lanes open. i'd like to think mayo could have covered enough of the field to dampen some of those runs, but the containment looked sub-par. on the flip side the backfield surprised me (in a good way)

 

[RussFrancis]

Now that Mayo is out for however long he is out, I dont see us playing in much 4-3. But that's just me. But imo, Mayo is the only guy we have capable of playing MLB. We switch back to the 3-4 vs the Jets, and considering they'll be looking to run a ton, I think we should go with Brace more at RDE. Play him maybe half the time. Green is 285. Brace is 330, and he's not getting moved around a whole lot even on double teams. But in that scenario, with him at RDE, we'd have Thomas outside of him sealing an edge and a 3-4ILB inside sealing a gap. We may just have to slide Thomas to the inside and go with Banta-Cain at his ROLB spot until Mayo comes back. Green didnt do much last night, though. That I completely agree with.

 

[shmessy]

Again you see no issues with a 7th rd LT making his start handling him 1 on 1 ?.

I am asking him to decent against a rookie 7th RD rookie who got the job after they fired the starting LT last week .So this guy was not even in the starting rep in training camp.

We had an UNDRAFTED second year guy calling the plays and running the Defense for the final 55 minutes.

What's your point? They are all roster professionals.

 

[khayos]

We had an UNDRAFTED second year guy calling the plays and running the Defense for the final 55 minutes.

What's your point? They are all roster professionals.

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If only he'd ever seen a screen pass before...

 

[captain stone]

Green had a horrible game.

Bills game plan was seal vince and ty with a te, guard, center and tackle, then the left guard did not bother chip-blocking green and was in the backfield sealing the LB.

Green was schooled by a 7th-rd draft pick in his first start. He was on a 1 on 1 match-up and did nothing.

Then they just ran right at green with no LB pursuit as the guard was sealing the inside edge.

Screen-passed the inside screen too.

The whole DL looked bad because of this; they ran away from Ty and Vince and had the right side all game.

Next week we face d-brick who gets smacked around by seymour every year and is a way better LT than the bills..... i am worried what he is going to do.

Unless the pats show they can stop this simple setup, look for thomas jones/washington in the backfield.

Jarvis will be playing for somebody else next season - book it.

The rest of the front 7 didn't exactly cover themselves in glory, either. And whenever Derrick - he of the 4 straight years of declining sack #s - Burgess wants to actually show up, I would appreciate it.