Roughing the passer?

[Deus Irae]

the roughing the passer calls were both ridiculous but if you thought those were bad, wait 'til godell sees the pats rush dirty sanchez. two hand tag may be a penalty.

There were bad calls in the Raiders/Chargers game, too, and that "illegal contact" call against Al Harris in the Packers/Bears game was ridiculous. The officials are already in mid-season form.

 

[bbell31]

bs call, im f n sick of this..they might as well take their pads off and play flag football...football's new fruitball rules and americas future piss me off and have an f 'd future

 

[DarrylS]

Thought both calls were BS, and both changed the tempo of the game... the Wilfork one was one of the worse ever seen...

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

Is this the Brady rule coming back to bite us? The first roughing the passer call in the endzone was horrible. The hit was on the thighs and Wilfork started his move while the QB stil had the ball. I thought that when I saw the flag that it was intentional grounding. The second one was also pretty lame. The QB was still trying to break the tackle and when Thomas was bringing him down, he let go before he hit the ground. Those two calls definitely helped the Bills tonight. Was Ben Drieth calling this game?

That Wilfork one may have been the worst call I've ever seen, it's certainly top 5. I can't decide whether it's worse than the non call on the sack of Hayseed in the Superbowl that shall not be named. (And I know it cost us more but I'm talking individual calls here)

I was livid for like the whole Buffalo series after that. And then they hit us with another B.S. Call. What was Thomas supposed to do, pick Edwards up and gently place him on the ground with a mint on his pillow?

The "Brady Rule"

"A rushing defender is prohibited from forcibly hitting in the knee area or below a passer who has one or both feet on the ground, even if the initial contact is above the knee. It is not a foul if the defender is blocked (or fouled) into the passer and has no opportunity to avoid him."

Wilfork never even touched his knee or below except when he fell on to him, he grabbed and hit him up by his junk.

I have no problem giving up a penalty if he legitimately broke this rule, because I've been calling for a rule like this ever since Carson Palmer got hurt, but the Wilfork hit was not an example of this.

 

[italian pat patriot]

i have to admit i was furious expecially on Wilfork's one

that was a terrible call imho

 

[stinkypete]

The Wilfork call was ludicrous. On replay it was obvious that no rule was broken. The Thomas play was legit though. The whistle was blown a good half second before Thomas drove Edwards into the ground. As infuriating as it was to see a second roughing call after that Willfork bulls**t, Thomas should have heard the whistle and let Edwards go.

 

[pencilneckgeek]

The Wilfork call was ludicrous. On replay it was obvious that no rule was broken. The Thomas play was legit though. The whistle was blown a good half second before Thomas drove Edwards into the ground. As infuriating as it was to see a second roughing call after that Willfork bulls**t, Thomas should have heard the whistle and let Edwards go.

:yeahthat: I screamed "No!" as AD picked up Edwards, knowing that he was about to give up 15 yards for hitting the QB after the whistle. It's a stupid rule, but it was a good call. The Wilfork call, however, should earn the ref a week off without pay. That's a stupid rule and a thoroughly inompetent call.

The jokes about refs being payed off are silly, however. No ref getting paid-off would be so bold as to make a call that blantantly bad.

 

[Bostonian1962]

The first call, on Wilfolk, was pathetic! The second call at first I thought was fine, until they showed the angle showing A. Thomas was actually releasing his grip and not slamming him to the ground.

Let's just hope it was opening game jitters for the refs. Even though the bad calls went against the Pats, these should even themselves out as the year moves on. The good news is, the Pats won despite the refs.

 

[NovaScotiaPatsFan]

That's a stupid rule...

I don't know how you can say that after last year especially. If the Wilfork thing was actually a penalty like by the rule book I would agree with you but it was totally a blown call, the rule is supposed to protect QB's below the knees, examples would be the Carson Palmer/Von Olhoffen, Wilfork and was it Losman? and the Brady play last year.

 

[Pats726]

Both calls were garbage..not sure which was worse. Wilfork tackled him above the knees and it was not at all blatant...that was horrible as it changed field position. The Thomas one was I think just as bad. Edwards was fighting to get away and no whistle..if they don't want quick whistles, allow the player to have a chance to tackle the QB. If Edwards was not fighting to get away, that was a clear 15..but he was doing his best to get away. To em that was the key.

 

[DaBruinz]

There were bad calls in the Raiders/Chargers game, too, and that "illegal contact" call against Al Harris in the Packers/Bears game was ridiculous. The officials are already in mid-season form.

I actually felt bad for the Raiders. They got screwed on the TD call. That was a TD. Murphy had the ball in control the entire time.. THe only reason it "moved" prior to his hitting the ground was because his arm moved. It was never out of his control. Not to mention that his butt hit before the ball did and that would make him down..

 

[vyrago]

What really gets me is that they're not calling the "in the grasp" rule. So the whistle doesn't blow, the defender has to keep wrestling the QB, then if you throw him to the ground a little roughly or finish your tackle a fraction of a second late it's a penalty. The penalty on AD struck me as more of a function of the official being hesitant to blow the whistle than anything else.

If this rule was regularly enforced, the Patriots would have won Super Bowl XLII.

 

[mojocaster.com]

Both the Roughing the Passer penalties were garbage. Its pretty bad when Mike Greenberg realizes that the ref got it wrong.

And both penalties gave Buffalo new life.

Could not agree more. If I were cynical, I'd say money changed hands for those two calls to take place.

 

[JSn]

Even a handful of Bills fans agree, that Wilfork penalty was crap. We'll know that when Vince doesn't get a fine.

Vince Wilfork.... - Buffalo Bills Forums

 

[MoLewisrocks]

The Wilfork call was ludicrous. On replay it was obvious that no rule was broken. The Thomas play was legit though. The whistle was blown a good half second before Thomas drove Edwards into the ground. As infuriating as it was to see a second roughing call after that Willfork bulls**t, Thomas should have heard the whistle and let Edwards go.

But on replay it was obvious he did. He literally spread his arms and landed beside the QB. And listen to yourself, half a second... I don't know WTF else you can do in those situations, and that's the problem.

And people wonder why BB believes sacks are over rated... It's because going for them opens you up to bigger problems.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

If this rule was regularly enforced, the Patriots would have won Super Bowl XLII.

and that AFC chamiponship game and every single game against the colts and.....oh screw it, now I am just mad again.

 

[5 Rings for Brady!!]

Could not agree more. If I were cynical, I'd say money changed hands for those two calls to take place.

I am willing to bet that the league considers Wilfork a dirty player ala Rodney Harrison. Once you get that unwarranted rep, it is just hard to shake.

And I am positive the Bills complained about wilfork being a menace BEFORE the game. That is the way it is done anymore. Ask Polian.

 

[fourthandmiles]

Might as well get it over with and go to two hand touch and 5 Mississippi on passing plays.

How about 5 Louisiana and name it the Farve Rule?

 

[West Philly Patriot]

I was absolutely livid on the Thomas call!! I don't know how any real fan of pro football couldn't be. Goddell is ruining football with these bulls*it rules. There is no way a ref shouldve made such a horrendous call possibly changing the outcome of the game. And the only reason they have the ammunition to do such things is because goddell has put us in this situation. I don't even blame the zebra's. They don't even know the rule it varies from crew to crew.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

The call on Wilfork was a reputation call. Green, Warren or Wright make that play and they're not likely to get flagged. Watch the ref, he hesitated for a few seconds before throwing that flag.
Sometimes before you can get the words out that "hey that's holding or interference", the flag is flying, but not in this case. I agree with the previous poster that when Vince does NOT get fined, you'll know it was bogus...
Did the NFL ever get anybody to replace Pereira to give the company line on BS calls???