Raiders sent the 5 day letter to Seymour

[Bobs My Uncle]

I HIGHLY doubt that the league wouldn't look into that and impose penalties on Seymour/ the Raiders. He's played this preseason and clearly he's fine. This isn't some player signing in April that is coming off knee surgery.

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Running back Lee Suggs failed his physical with the New York Jets on Tuesday, voiding his trade from Cleveland......

"We have a whole series of tests that we do, and we were very thorough with the process," Jets coach Eric Mangini said. "He just didn't pass those tests. ... Each team has a criteria they set up that they believe is what's important and what's needed to be competitive. I'm very comfortable with the tests we have set up.".......

But the Browns disputed the Jets' findings. Browns general manager Phil Savage noted that while Suggs has been injury prone, he hasn't missed any practice time this year and played in the first preseason game.

"Medical opinions can vary from team to team, and obviously this is one team's opinion," Savage said. "We anticipate Lee Suggs returning to the Browns and working hard in practice and preparing for the season to the best of his ability, just as he has shown throughout his career with the Browns."........

Suggs fails physical, trade to Jets voided - NFL - ESPN

 

[Jackson 2]

I suppose Seymour could still "fail" the Raiders physical ..........

My understanding is that if he fails the Raiders' physical, the Patriots can administer one with a doctor of their choice. If those 2 conflict, the league appoints a doctor to examine him and make a final determination regarding his condition.

 

[Ice_Ice_Brady]

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Good find on the Suggs situation.

However, the league would be dumb at this point, with everything else that's happened and Seymour's own voiced displeasure, to fall for this one. Meanwhile, the Raiders have cut three players to make room for Seymour on the roster, and the Patriots have already replaced him. If he were to "flunk" the physical I doubt that would be the last of it.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

Good find on the Suggs situation.

However, the league would be dumb at this point, with everything else that's happened and Seymour's own voiced displeasure, to fall for this one. Meanwhile, the Raiders have cut three players to make room for Seymour on the roster, and the Patriots have already replaced him. If he were to "flunk" the physical I doubt that would be the last of it.

Was referenced in another thread. I agree it's unlikely this deal falls through but my Dad taught me that it's just a rumour until it's in your pocket.

 

[italia44]

..........The Nuclear Option.......YIKES!......Al's in charge of the Launch Codes!...(better than Joe Biden)

 

[IcyPatriot]

I wonder if this is why Belichick opted for the 2011 pick. If it's a 2010 it's a bit of a distraction but by 2011 this situation resolves itself even if it means the Raiders send him somewhere for a #1 pick in 2010 or 2011.

That would be funny ... if we end up picking before them in 2011 with their own pick.

 

[Ring 6]

I suppose Seymour could still "fail" the Raiders physical ..........

I've thought this over and could see a scenario where that could be possible, but unlikely.
If Seymour reports to take the phyiscal and tells the Raiders he won't play for them, then the Raiders would have an incentive to be overly strict in the physical.
There are numerous problems with this theory though.
1) It assumes the Raiders have been convinced by the media that they made a bad trade
2) Why would Seymour take the physical if he doesnt want to play for the Raiduhs?
3) The Raiduhs would expose themselves to a boatload of problems for failing Seymour with an injury that is less severe than they have allowed players to play with. Think of it. Seymour failed his physical because of his knees. Raiduh X has knee issues, then sustains an even more serious knee injury. Lawyer X subpoenas the Seymour file and sue's the Raiduhs for negligence because they let the player play with a more severe injury than Seymour had when they said Seymour was too injured to play. Big can of worms to open.

In the end the only way for a phony fail on the physical is if Seymour reports to take it and then the Raiduhs decide they dont want him. They would only not want him if he was going to hold out, and if he was going to hold out he wouldn't show up for the physical.

Am I missing an angle?

 

[Ring 6]

..........The Nuclear Option.......YIKES!......Al's in charge of the Launch Codes!...(better than Joe Biden)

Nah, we'd be OK with Biden because instead of putting in the current codes he'd copy the ones a previous administration wrote down.

 

[Ring 6]

Here you go AJ, try this tonight

Why am I scared that you have that picture?

 

[italia44]

Nah, we'd be OK with Biden because instead of putting in the current codes he'd copy the ones a previous administration wrote down.

...good point

 

[Patriot_in_NY]

I wonder what the exact wording to the letter was?

Dear Richard,

Please stop being a big p*ssy and get your azz out to Oakland to play for our crappy team. If you don't we are going to jam it so far up your hind end that you will be begging to not only play for us, but to wear our silly pirate costumes to.

Sincerely,
Uncle Al Davis.

p.s. This letter will self destruct in 5 days.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I've thought this over and could see a scenario where that could be possible, but unlikely.
If Seymour reports to take the phyiscal and tells the Raiders he won't play for them, then the Raiders would have an incentive to be overly strict in the physical.
There are numerous problems with this theory though.
1) It assumes the Raiders have been convinced by the media that they made a bad trade
2) Why would Seymour take the physical if he doesnt want to play for the Raiduhs?
3) The Raiduhs would expose themselves to a boatload of problems for failing Seymour with an injury that is less severe than they have allowed players to play with. Think of it. Seymour failed his physical because of his knees. Raiduh X has knee issues, then sustains an even more serious knee injury. Lawyer X subpoenas the Seymour file and sue's the Raiduhs for negligence because they let the player play with a more severe injury than Seymour had when they said Seymour was too injured to play. Big can of worms to open.

In the end the only way for a phony fail on the physical is if Seymour reports to take it and then the Raiduhs decide they dont want him. They would only not want him if he was going to hold out, and if he was going to hold out he wouldn't show up for the physical.

Am I missing an angle?

Assuming full disclosure of the findings aren't required by league office, my guess is the reason for failure would be some abstract issue that only the Raiders test for.

 

[Ring 6]

Assuming full disclosure of the findings aren't required by league office, my guess is the reason for failure would be some abstract issue that only the Raiders test for.

Does that overcome all of the other issues?
Can you assume full disclosure isnt required? Do you really think Saint Godell would allow 'the shield' to be jeopardized by shenaningans without investigating and ruling unilaterally?

 

[SVN]

Raiders send Seymour letter

Raiders send Seymour letter | ProFootballTalk.com
i dont know about the contractual language florio talks about but it would be embarassing for al davis to take the pick back because a player does not want to report or play for oakland. this is as much about ego too IMO

EDIT:i just saw the earlier thread on this-sorry. mods please merge

 

[Ring 6]

Does that overcome all of the other issues?
Can you assume full disclosure isnt required? Do you really think Saint Godell would allow 'the shield' to be jeopardized by shenaningans without investigating and ruling unilaterally?

Remember the only criteria for a decision by the NFL is that Godell thinks that it is what should be done

 

[shmessy]

Re: Raiders send Seymour letter

Raiders send Seymour letter | ProFootballTalk.com
i dont know about the contractual language florio talks about but it would be embarassing for al davis to take the pick back because a player does not want to report or play for oakland. this is as much about ego too IMO

EDIT:i just saw the earlier thread on this-sorry. mods please merge

No prob, man.

 

[mgteich]

I don't believe that Belichick was ever offered a 2010 first.

I wonder if this is why Belichick opted for the 2011 pick. If it's a 2010 it's a bit of a distraction but by 2011 this situation resolves itself even if it means the Raiders send him somewhere for a #1 pick in 2010 or 2011.

That would be funny ... if we end up picking before them in 2011 with their own pick.

 

[mayoclinic]

I'd rather it just end

Amen to that.

I'm VERY pleased that Oakland finally sent out the 5 day letter, and that this soap opera will get some resolution soon. The amount of confusion created over this matter has been unreal.

I dont believe Al Davis can feed himself at this point, much less put the screws to anyone.
But I do agree that Seymour gains nothing by not playing and the Raiders are the wrong kind of enemy to have, mostly because they will spend money to ruin you even if it they cant gain anything themselves.
If you don't like Richard Seymour you couldnt have wished for a better development that this trade.

Seymour has never been a personal favorite of mine. When he's on, he's the best 3-4 DE I've ever seen, and I recognize his accomplishments, value, and what he's brought to this team in the past. But he always seemed injured a bit too much, inconsistent a bit too much, and about himself a bit too much for me to jump wholeheartedly on the Big Sey bandwagon. I'm sorry it had to end this way, but I do feel that he brought some of this on himself.

The Pats, the Raiders, the NFL office, and the CBA all recognize that Seymour is the property of Oakland pending a failed physical, which he has no reason to fail. Now maybe he can grow up and come to terms with it.

 

[mgteich]

I expect that Seymour will have his physical and then the real drama can begin. However, tha patriots will not be involved. After all, the raiders can't suspend one of their players for the season sitting out 2 or 3 games.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

the raiders can't make crap up on the physical.....they would have to prove a problem exists that would keep him from playing........its not like they can say 'we don't like his tats