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Nope, IIRC, once the trade is signed and passes muster with the NFL, if the player doesn't show up it's the other team's problem and not New England's, unless failure to report is written as an invalidating clause. Also, IIRC, the only way that failing a physical invalidates the trade is if such a requirement is written into the contract. If Oakland didn't have that written in, it's their own darned fault.

I'm pretty sure that is in every contract to cover team's a****. But then again, it's the Raiders.
 
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Yes, it is possible that the one of the oldest and experienced (and slightly touched) owners has had a bunch of incompetent lawyers writing contracts for the many, many years that Davis has owned the team. Much more likely is that standard contracts have include a requirement for physicals for many years.

QUOTE=Gwedd;1490995]Nope, IIRC, once the trade is signed and passes muster with the NFL, if the player doesn't show up it's the other team's problem and not New England's, unless failure to report is written as an invalidating clause. Also, IIRC, the only way that failing a physical invalidates the trade is if such a requirement is written into the contract. If Oakland didn't have that written in, it's their own darned fault.[/QUOTE]
 
Yes, it is possible that the one of the oldest and experienced (and slightly touched) owners has had a bunch of incompetent lawyers writing contracts for the many, many years that Davis has owned the team. Much more likely is that standard contracts have include a requirement for physicals for many years.

QUOTE=Gwedd;1490995]Nope, IIRC, once the trade is signed and passes muster with the NFL, if the player doesn't show up it's the other team's problem and not New England's, unless failure to report is written as an invalidating clause. Also, IIRC, the only way that failing a physical invalidates the trade is if such a requirement is written into the contract. If Oakland didn't have that written in, it's their own darned fault.
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Oh, I concur. It's just that we are, after all, discussing the Raiders here.... :cool:
 
Rodney spoke to him and weighed in-

Asked if Seymour would report to the Raiders, Harrison said, "I don't know that. Only Richard knows that. But I wouldn't go to Oakland. There's no way in the world I would go to Oakland. The only way I would report is if they promised they wouldn't franchise me after this year."

PFT
 
Rodney spoke to him and weighed in-



PFT

If Harrison says that it's about him being a warrior who can't stand losing. If Seymour says that it's further evidence that he's a lazy bum who's all about the money and wants to go back to playing 6 games a year as soon as possible.
 
I'm pretty sure if they can't get an agreement with Seymour, the trade is off. It's a good move on his part because he wants to secure his future for him and his family. I'm sure he doesn't want to move across the country for a year and than move again.
Nothing against what you said HBWU but i always get a kick out hearing that a player whos made more money than this entire board will ever earn in a life time has to "secure his future". I know its all relative but just the same it always makes me laugh.
 
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I'm pretty sure if they can't get an agreement with Seymour, the trade is off. It's a good move on his part because he wants to secure his future for him and his family.
Yeah, they must be awfully hungry after Seymour only making less than ten million a year. He should quit the lousy stinking NFL and take a job at the mall. Security guard or something. And Dunkin Donuts is looking for people in Lawrence.
 
eugene parker strikes again !
 
Nothing against what you said HBWU but i always get a kick out hearing that a player whos made more money than this entire board will ever earn in a life time has to "secure his future". I know its all relative but just the same it always makes me laugh.

If you were in a position to make sure that your children could live comfortably for probably the duration of your lives, you wouldn't take it?

People forget that these guys' earning potential evaporates around when they hit 35-40. Don't get why anyone blames them for making as much money as possible before then- the future is an uncertain place, bad investments happen, etc. etc.- but the more money you wake, the more you can secure your entire family's long term future. I don't blame any athlete that chooses to maximize his earning potential during his (relatively) short career.
 
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If you were in a position to make sure that your children could live comfortably for probably the duration of your lives, you wouldn't take it?

People forget that these guys' earning potential evaporates around when they hit 35-40. Don't get why anyone blames them for making as much money as possible before then- the future is an uncertain place, bad investments happen, etc. etc.- but the more money you wake, the more you can secure your entire family's long term future. I don't blame any athlete that chooses to maximize his earning potential during his (relatively) short career.

Not to mention that there was an article recently at NFP talking about how over half of retired football players are broke.
 
Not to mention that there was an article recently at NFP talking about how over half of retired football players are broke.

Yeah, medical bills are a *****, for starters. Add in a comfortable-to-extravagant lifestyle, supporting your family and even friends/extended family... yeah. It adds up.

60% of NBA players go bankrupt within 5 years of retiring for the league, and they have guaranteed contracts and don't leave the sport crippled :p
 
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Not to mention that there was an article recently at NFP talking about how over half of retired football players are broke.

Half of all living retired NFL players retired before 1987.

Might have something to do with it.

Tell me the stats on players who have retired since(since the advent of bigger money and the new pension system).
 
Yeah, medical bills are a *****, for starters. Add in a comfortable-to-extravagant lifestyle, supporting your family and even friends/extended family... yeah. It adds up.

60% of NBA players go bankrupt within 5 years of retiring for the league, and they have guaranteed contracts and don't leave the sport crippled :p

Maybe they should manage their money the way we do. Really, how many fancy sports cars does one person need? How big of a house does a family of four really need? Its a joke. If they're going broke, I seriously doubt it was anyones fault but their own :rolleyes:
 
Maybe they should manage their money the way we do. Really, how many fancy sports cars does one person need? How big of a house does a family of four really need? Its a joke. If they're going broke, I seriously doubt it was anyones fault but their own :rolleyes:


Exactly. If they go bankrupt because (as FTW put it) they have extravagant lifestyles and friends/extended family - - i.e. entourages - - to support) then they SHOULD go bankrupt.

Stupid is as stupid does. The league has no responsibility to play nursemaid for boneheaded choices that my 9 year old knows not to make.

The league DOES have a comprehensive program teaching rookies and vets separately about financial management, etc.
 
Exactly. If they go bankrupt because (as FTW put it) they have extravagant lifestyles and friends/extended family - - i.e. entourages - - to support) then they SHOULD go bankrupt.

Or get paid more money. That's the part of the equation that you seem to be missing. People offer them more money, and they take it. if I had the earning power that a Richard Seymour has, and was given the chance to sign a contract that would set up my wife, kids, and elements of my extended family for a comfortable life, I'd do it. Not because I don't care about being on the 'best team', but because family and friends matter too.

Stupid is as stupid does. The league has no responsibility to play nursemaid for boneheaded choices that my 9 year old knows not to make.

Nobody said otherwise, but keep making points up to make your rant sound more ridiculous- that always works.

The league DOES have a comprehensive program teaching rookies and vets separately about financial management, etc.

Yes, which I believe was instituted relatively recently in response to these problems. The reason why this was instituted was because the professionals that athletes were hiring to manage their money ('reputable' people from 'reputable' firms, btw) were scamming them blind.

At the investment firm that I worked at (I quit right around the time that I realized that we were scamming cancer research funds...) , it was widely held that professional athletes were dream clients. They had a lot of money, they *knew* that they needed to make investments for life after sports, but let's face it, they were far less savvy than your standard multi-millionaire. And they knew that, which is exactly why they got people to manage their money for them. Smart move, right? You would hope, but the sad reality is that a lot of these guys got screwed over pretty epically because the guys that they were trusting to manage their money were completely ******* them over. It happens all the time, and there are stars in this league that it would absolutely floor you to know are on the verge of bankruptcy, and will be bankrupt as soon as the checks stop rolling in.

I've been involved in a very indirect, roundabout way with investments that were made by prominent New England Patriots--board favorites, no less, ones that I'm sure you all think are doing things the right way--that honestly, I'll be very surprised if they don't lose their shirts. In a lot of cases, these guys are trying to be responsible and are just getting terrible advice from people that they should be able to trust. In cases like this, their only real mistake is being young, rich, and knowing more about football than money management. And that combination brings an especially contemptible type of person to their doorstep, looking to scam them out of everything he can get. (and we wonder why so many athletes don't trust anyone but close family and childhood friends).

And I haven't even gotten into medical bills. The average lineman's body undergoes stress equal to a 25 mph (IIRC) car crash many, many times per game. These guys get absolutely pounded, and racking up hundreds of thousands in medical bills is not at all unusual for former NFLers. That adds up quickly, when they tend to see maybe 40% tops, at the end of the day, of the contract figures that we see thrown around. Add on top of that that these guys are all acutely aware of the fact that they are one hit from their career being over and their earning potential being completely gone *tomorrow*, and of course they want to make all the money that they can while they can. They'd be dumb not to.

It's easy to take the smug superiority approach and say 'I'd never do that', but if you think the equation is that simple, then there are factors at work that you clearly don't even begin to understand.
 
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The league DOES have a comprehensive program teaching rookies and vets separately about financial management, etc.

I was explaining this to someone the other day. The Nfl has many programs, and advisors for these players. Whether it's about their money, or how to stay out of trouble. The NFL is doing their part. The players have to do theirs, and quite often they're not.

I had plenty of people advising me when i was coming out of highschool. I CHOSE to ignore their advice. I only have myself to blame. So, yeah, i get tired of hearing these players act like they're owed more, and more.
 
Investments go bad. Illnesses and injuries arise. People get scammed. Family needs help.

There are all kinds of reasons that people end up losing their money, rich or poor. Pulling out the "But they're rich so screw'em" line is a bit silly, particularly in this economy. Some things can't be foreseen, and some that can be foreseen still can't be either avoided or protected against. It's the nature of life.
 
Investments go bad. Illnesses and injuries arise. People get scammed. Family needs help.

There are all kinds of reasons that people end up losing their money, rich or poor. Pulling out the "But they're rich so screw'em" line is a bit silly, particularly in this economy. Some things can't be foreseen, and some that can be foreseen still can't be either avoided or protected against. It's the nature of life.

Or maybe he goes broke buying diamond earrings.
 
Athletes are in general pretty dumb because they have been pushed through college and H.S. and dont have a real education.
 
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