Let's Be Real About Seymour's Situation

[mgteich]

What would you do in the 24-48 hours after you are informed that you have been traded to the raiders with no previous notice, and your kids were starting school on Tuesday morning. I would do the following

1) i'd have a long talk with my wife and start to decide how to make decisions about school, housing and other such matters.

2) I'd have a more than one long talk with my agent.

3) Presuming that I received a call from Oakland, I would tell them that I have not received the paperwork from the patriots (the 5 day letter) and that the team should discuss things through my agent.

Seymour has five days for him, his family and his agent to get their act together.

If my agent and I wanted to negotiate a contract before playing any games, then I would do that. Any contract would add any missing pay to the signing bonus.

Oh yeah, I'd have by buddy Rodney trash the patriots and tell the world how pi$$ed off I am.

 

[A.C Vegas]

I am guessing that he was informed before it happen there is no way a team like the Pats just say hey guess what you traded right now go.

and it's only cause the the radiers coach (CABLE i think don't quote me) is an idiot who can't shut his mouth

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

If I really didn't want to play for the Raiders, I wouldn't report. I would force the trade to be rescinded and have the Pats trade me elsewhere. I know the Pats don't want to go the "5 day letter" route because the Pats won't get Oakland's first round pick and I would sit out for 2009.

 

[shmessy]

As I wrote in:

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england...ur-trade-not-done-deal-page3.html#post1490859



"This makes the most sense.

He has three children just starting the school year tomorrow fer crying out loud.

These people are human beings. You can't expect them to easily uproot themselves within 24 hours in those situations."

 

[sarge4]

im just glad that he wont be on the field come next monday. I still dont have faith in my beloved Bills o-line

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Seymour has five days for him, his family and his agent to get their act together.

AFAIK, no one has sent Seymour a five-day letter, and, if it comes to that, I am sure that "I haven't gotten it" won't be a valid excuse.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

If I really didn't want to play for the Raiders, I wouldn't report. I would force the trade to be rescinded and have the Pats trade me elsewhere. I know the Pats don't want to go the "5 day letter" route because the Pats won't get Oakland's first round pick and I would sit out for 2009.

Actually, this article suggests that Seymour is now "officially" on the 53-man roster for the Raiders, and it would be up to them to send the letter. And I'm not sure that would invalidate the trade if they do.

 

[shmessy]

Oh yeah, I'd have by buddy Rodney trash the patriots and tell the world how pi$$ed off I am.

Evidently Rodney misinterpreted the first part of Seymour's message:

http://profootballtalk.nbcsports.com/2009/09/07/harrison-seymours-not-thrilled-with-deal-to-raiders/

""......Put yourself in his position," Harrison added. "He's going from a first-class organization to one of the worst in the NFL. You have the head coach fighting the assistant coaches, the owner involved in the day-to-day operations, guys who don't believe in the quarterback. . . . Tom Brady to JaMarcus Russell? Come on. Is that something to look forward to? Why would he be excited?"

.......And you look at the move made by [Patriots head coach Bill] Belichick, and you can see him saying, 'I'd rather get rid of a guy before the last year of his contract.' He knows the Raiders will stink so it's a top-10 pick in return for a guy who's gonna be 30. You know what? That's the business.

"The trade off is, guys get to win championships and make a lot of money, but at the end, it's business. I knew that and instead of my getting whacked [by New England], I whacked myself. If you make money and you're older, it's inevitable you're gonna get whacked."

 

[mgteich]

Excuse for what? Without a 5-day letter, Seymour can just sit at home and not take a physical. The CBA has rules. If the patriots want him to go and Seymour doesn't go, they need to send him a 5-day letter. Otherwise, the patriots owe him his game pay next Monday.

AFAIK, no one has sent Seymour a five-day letter, and, if it comes to that, I am sure that "I haven't gotten it" won't be a valid excuse.

 

[Frezo]

Actually, this article suggests that Seymour is now "officially" on the 53-man roster for the Raiders, and it would be up to them to send the letter. And I'm not sure that would invalidate the trade if they do.

The only thing we can be certain of is that if Sey fails the physical, the deal is off. We are not privy to the actual language of the contract. It could state that the deal is contingent upon Sey signing a long term contract. I agree that he is technically Raider property now.

 

[ctpatsfan77]

Excuse for what? Without a 5-day letter, Seymour can just sit at home and not take a physical. The CBA has rules. If the patriots want him to go and Seymour doesn't go, they need to send him a 5-day letter. Otherwise, the patriots owe him his game pay next Monday.

Except that's my point: if the article I cited above is correct, the ball is currently in Oakland's court, not New England's.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Actually, this article suggests that Seymour is now "officially" on the 53-man roster for the Raiders, and it would be up to them to send the letter. And I'm not sure that would invalidate the trade if they do.

Doesn't matter, he's not a "Raider" until he actually takes a physical or steps foot onto the Raiders facility.

What if Richard Seymour doesn't show in Oakland? | ProFootballTalk.com

What if Richard Seymour doesn't show in Oakland? | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[Patspsycho]

What would you do in the 24-48 hours after you are informed that you have been traded to the raiders with no previous notice, and your kids were starting school on Tuesday morning. I would do the following

1) i'd have a long talk with my wife and start to decide how to make decisions about school, housing and other such matters.

2) I'd have a more than one long talk with my agent.

3) Presuming that I received a call from Oakland, I would tell them that I have not received the paperwork from the patriots (the 5 day letter) and that the team should discuss things through my agent.

Seymour has five days for him, his family and his agent to get their act together.

If my agent and I wanted to negotiate a contract before playing any games, then I would do that. Any contract would add any missing pay to the signing bonus.

Oh yeah, I'd have by buddy Rodney trash the patriots and tell the world how pi$$ed off I am.

If it were me, I'd try to keep in mind that I am one year away from FA and a big contract from a marquee team.. Dallas anyone?

Thereby:

I would only hold out to the extent that the Raiders promise not to franchise me next season.

 

[cmasspatsfan]

The precise protocol is determined by the terms of the trade. "Traditionally the first condition is that the trade is contingent upon the player or players reporting and passing a physical," Signora said.

If the player doesn't report, the two teams can try to come up with a new agreement, or the trade could be called off. The only leverage that can be exerted against the player is the dreaded "five-day letter," a precursor to placement on the reserve/left squad list.

"The club sends a letter to the player warning him that, in five days, the club has the right to place him on the reserve/left squad list," Signora said. "It explains to him that if they do place him in that category, he cannot play again this season, etc. After sending that letter and the expiration of the five-day period, the club does not have to place the player on the reserve/left squad list, but it may do so."

Once on the reserve/left club list, Seymour would be unable to play for anyone in 2009, and his contract would toll by a full year, with his salary of roughly $3.7 million applicable in 2010, if he decides at that point to show up.

Seymour could eventually get "five-day letter" | ProFootballTalk.com

 

[Patsrock]

Doesn't matter, he's not a "Raider" until he actually takes a physical or steps foot onto the Raiders facility.

What if Richard Seymour doesn't show in Oakland? | ProFootballTalk.com

What if Richard Seymour doesn't show in Oakland? | ProFootballTalk.com

Not true because if the Raiders waived the physical requirement then he is a Raider.

 

[supafly]

Oh yeah, I'd have by buddy Rodney trash the patriots and tell the world how pi$$ed off I am.

Kind of missing where exactly Rodney "trashes the Patriots?"

I don't think he'd really ever do that, and IMO he simply told it like it is.

 

[mgteich]

Alright, we will all stipulate that if Oakland's lawyers were so stupid as to waive a critical clause in the contract, the ball is now in Oakland's court.

Not true because if the Raiders waived the physical requirement then he is a Raider.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Not true because if the Raiders waived the physical requirement then he is a Raider.

You think even the Raiders would be that stupid to waive that?

 

[mgteich]

As was the case with Samuel, I also think that Seymour should report if Oakland agrees in a signed contract that they will not franchise him next year.

If it were me, I'd try to keep in mind that I am one year away from FA and a big contract from a marquee team.. Dallas anyone?

Thereby:

I would only hold out to the extent that the Raiders promise not to franchise me next season.

 

[upstater1]

I'm not buying the excuse about kids in school. We're talking a four month season here. Yes, it will be tough, but in four months the family will be together again. I've been through this and plenty of other people have. Whether they move now or later, the kids will be fine.