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Well I have to admit that I DIDN'T get to see the game last night. I was playing poker at Foxwoods last night and some damned New Yorker insisted that that only TV I could see from my seat be turned to the Yankee game. It was probably for the best, since the game would have distracted me, and we WERE playing for real money.
So instead instead of analyzing the game, I thought I'd "analyze" the posts I have read since this morning including the late breaking Walter news. BTW, I have seen a number of highlights, so I'm not completely in the dark.
1. I'm kind of surprised at the run BJGE is getting here and in the media. I STILL don't think he makes the team. YES, I agree that he's an NFL quality RB. YES, I agree that he's earned the right to be in the NFL...but unfortunately...not on THIS team.
The FACT is that RB is one of those positions where there is a plethora of NFL quality players. Case in point. Over in Jets land they have almost duplicate threads calling for Danny Woodhead to make THEIR 53. In case you didn't know, (and why would you), Woodhead ran for 156 yds on just 18 carries (btw that's more yds on FEWER carries than BJGE)
Believe me when I say this. EVERY team has its BJGE, Danny Woodhead, or Terrence Nunn. We do this EVERY year. When will we learn. The fact is that if one of our top 4 RBs went down, there are at least, a half dozen RBs, who would be just as good as BJGE who could fill in. Guys who will run hard, hit the hole, and get the ydage that is available. Who knows, it might even BE BJGE.
IMO, the only way he makes the team is if there already IS an injury among the RBs, OR if has made himself indispensable on special teams...and I haven't noticed him there.
We just CANNOT afford the luxury of 5 RBs, especially now that is very likely that we will start the year at least with 3 QBs on the 53 man roster.
2. The same can be said about Terrence Nunn. There are a whole slew of guys who made a lot of catches last night who will be looking for work on Sunday. I'd very much like Nunn to make it to the PS. I wish BJGE was eligible too, but he isn't. BTW, I don't think he'd get picked up by another team. Remember this kid was out of football last season, and he's not a physical specimen. There will be other more tempting cuts to attract other teams looking to fill out their 53 man rosters. Its my belief that for every RB that's going to be cut that is worth of being in the NFL, there are 2 WRs in the same catagory
3. Lets not Bash Patrick Chung. He's the victim here. I've seen the highlights, or rather lowlights of his plays, and it WAS as bad as it looked. But listen. There are probably 5 safeties in the entire league who could have gone one on one, on the OUTSIDE, with SMoss and looked much better. The one in the corner of the endzone, was simply a misread route (been there, done that ). It happens to every safety
To this day I don't understand why some fans get so infuriated at the defense when a pass is completed. Do they think that the only reason Moss and Welker get their receptions is just because the opponent's defense sucks. How often do we see when the receiver is covered as well as humanly possible, and the catch is made anyway. It happens. It happens so often that 60% completion rates are the norm now...for average QBs.
Bottom line here is I think that our secondary, come December will be a huge upgrade over the one we had last December. AND over the next few years (assuming we resign Boddin) could become one of the better secondaries in the league. However for now it is a work in progress. Much better than last season, but certainly not a "shut down" group. I recommend patience on Chung....and it WILL be rewarded
4. The Giants rolled out their first team offense. They are one of the better running teams in the league, and they have the reputed BEST OL in the game......and our SECOND line D did a pretty good job of stopping it. That's a big plus. I can single out one play I saw Ninkovich make early on, setting the edge and then stuffing the RB, who looked as big as him, BEHIND the LOS.
5. Anyone who interprets Watson playing late in the game as a sign he is on the bubble could be wrong. It is just as good (in fact better) to think that he was in that long because he's missed so much time that he needed the work, while Baker and Thomas had seen action in all the other games.
6. I wasn't a great believer in Walter. Maybe because I'm still in shock that KOC was THAT bad that he deserved to be cut. I think we can upgrade him from the usual candidates. As I noted after the Philly game, that I was impressed with Feely. He was even MORE impressive in the 2007 regular season game. Personally I don't think we have to trade for him. He's gone in Philly. They can't keep 4 guys, and Vick and Kolb are the ones who will stay. I say wait till Saturday and he can be ours for nothing. If he's smart enough to be worthy of the Pats, he'll choose them over any other opportunity
I don't know how he did the rest of the game, but his position versatility, and STs play might very well earn him a roster spot. Something I wouldn't have thought possible when he was originally signed.
Speaking of LBs, I have know idea how the pass rush looked last night. Was it as good as it has been? Let me know.
5. I'll end this with several questions that ASK for opinions. I think by now you've heard enough of mine.
a. How did the back up OL look. Did any of the young interior guys stand out?
b. Did Butler see any action. If so how did he look. If he didn't it would imply that he has a key roll in the regular D.
c. Any improvement in Wheatley's game?
d. Who did the punt and KO returns. Any good?
e. How did Smith look? Good enough to trade?
f. 3-4 or 4-3? In the Highlights I saw it looked like a 3-4.
So instead instead of analyzing the game, I thought I'd "analyze" the posts I have read since this morning including the late breaking Walter news. BTW, I have seen a number of highlights, so I'm not completely in the dark.
1. I'm kind of surprised at the run BJGE is getting here and in the media. I STILL don't think he makes the team. YES, I agree that he's an NFL quality RB. YES, I agree that he's earned the right to be in the NFL...but unfortunately...not on THIS team.
The FACT is that RB is one of those positions where there is a plethora of NFL quality players. Case in point. Over in Jets land they have almost duplicate threads calling for Danny Woodhead to make THEIR 53. In case you didn't know, (and why would you), Woodhead ran for 156 yds on just 18 carries (btw that's more yds on FEWER carries than BJGE)
Believe me when I say this. EVERY team has its BJGE, Danny Woodhead, or Terrence Nunn. We do this EVERY year. When will we learn. The fact is that if one of our top 4 RBs went down, there are at least, a half dozen RBs, who would be just as good as BJGE who could fill in. Guys who will run hard, hit the hole, and get the ydage that is available. Who knows, it might even BE BJGE.
IMO, the only way he makes the team is if there already IS an injury among the RBs, OR if has made himself indispensable on special teams...and I haven't noticed him there.
We just CANNOT afford the luxury of 5 RBs, especially now that is very likely that we will start the year at least with 3 QBs on the 53 man roster.
2. The same can be said about Terrence Nunn. There are a whole slew of guys who made a lot of catches last night who will be looking for work on Sunday. I'd very much like Nunn to make it to the PS. I wish BJGE was eligible too, but he isn't. BTW, I don't think he'd get picked up by another team. Remember this kid was out of football last season, and he's not a physical specimen. There will be other more tempting cuts to attract other teams looking to fill out their 53 man rosters. Its my belief that for every RB that's going to be cut that is worth of being in the NFL, there are 2 WRs in the same catagory
3. Lets not Bash Patrick Chung. He's the victim here. I've seen the highlights, or rather lowlights of his plays, and it WAS as bad as it looked. But listen. There are probably 5 safeties in the entire league who could have gone one on one, on the OUTSIDE, with SMoss and looked much better. The one in the corner of the endzone, was simply a misread route (been there, done that ). It happens to every safety
To this day I don't understand why some fans get so infuriated at the defense when a pass is completed. Do they think that the only reason Moss and Welker get their receptions is just because the opponent's defense sucks. How often do we see when the receiver is covered as well as humanly possible, and the catch is made anyway. It happens. It happens so often that 60% completion rates are the norm now...for average QBs.
Bottom line here is I think that our secondary, come December will be a huge upgrade over the one we had last December. AND over the next few years (assuming we resign Boddin) could become one of the better secondaries in the league. However for now it is a work in progress. Much better than last season, but certainly not a "shut down" group. I recommend patience on Chung....and it WILL be rewarded
4. The Giants rolled out their first team offense. They are one of the better running teams in the league, and they have the reputed BEST OL in the game......and our SECOND line D did a pretty good job of stopping it. That's a big plus. I can single out one play I saw Ninkovich make early on, setting the edge and then stuffing the RB, who looked as big as him, BEHIND the LOS.
5. Anyone who interprets Watson playing late in the game as a sign he is on the bubble could be wrong. It is just as good (in fact better) to think that he was in that long because he's missed so much time that he needed the work, while Baker and Thomas had seen action in all the other games.
6. I wasn't a great believer in Walter. Maybe because I'm still in shock that KOC was THAT bad that he deserved to be cut. I think we can upgrade him from the usual candidates. As I noted after the Philly game, that I was impressed with Feely. He was even MORE impressive in the 2007 regular season game. Personally I don't think we have to trade for him. He's gone in Philly. They can't keep 4 guys, and Vick and Kolb are the ones who will stay. I say wait till Saturday and he can be ours for nothing. If he's smart enough to be worthy of the Pats, he'll choose them over any other opportunity
I don't know how he did the rest of the game, but his position versatility, and STs play might very well earn him a roster spot. Something I wouldn't have thought possible when he was originally signed.
Speaking of LBs, I have know idea how the pass rush looked last night. Was it as good as it has been? Let me know.
5. I'll end this with several questions that ASK for opinions. I think by now you've heard enough of mine.
a. How did the back up OL look. Did any of the young interior guys stand out?
b. Did Butler see any action. If so how did he look. If he didn't it would imply that he has a key roll in the regular D.
c. Any improvement in Wheatley's game?
d. Who did the punt and KO returns. Any good?
e. How did Smith look? Good enough to trade?
f. 3-4 or 4-3? In the Highlights I saw it looked like a 3-4.
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