Jerod Mayo far and away voted as the most indispensable player behind Brady

[BradyManny]

This is such a hard agrument. Moss is incredibly important to this team no question. Last year, IMO Moss and Welker MADE Cassel. But if Moss goes down, you don't think they would find a way with Brady, Welker, Galloway, Lewis, Endleman, the TEs and the RBs to get 22-25 ppg?

I hear you. I think with those weapons, they'd still put up 28-30 points a game. But with Moss, it's more like 35-40 points a game, so you're still talking about about a TD per game. Would losing Mayo be as proportionately costly to the defense? I am hoping for a very good D which averages somewhere in the 15-17 ppg. Without Mayo, it might be closer to 19-20 on average. As long as Brady and Moss is healthy, that's still good enough to win the majority of our games.

 

[Doonan24]

Surprised there isn't more love for Welker in this poll. He replaces/compliments a running game so often with little screens that he turns into 12 yard gains. Moss is nice for the big plays, but Welker keeps the chains moving.

Hard to go wrong with Mayo though. The thought of Bruschi and Guyton at ILB together scares me.

 

[patsfan55]

I love Mayo but . . . it's MOSS.

THANK YOU!
I thought it was pretty obvious too, and voted for him as well.
I would put Mayo third. I actually asked a coworker this question a few months ago and I had 1.Brady, 2.Moss, 3.Wilfork. At this point I would actually put Mayo ahead of Wilfork, because of the lack of depth we have behind him. But, yeah Moss is definitely number 2. This team wins because of its offense, and the offense is not even close to what it is without Randy.

 

[mayoclinic]

THANK YOU!
I thought it was pretty obvious too, and voted for him as well.
I would put Mayo third. I actually asked a coworker this question a few months ago and I had 1.Brady, 2.Moss, 3.Wilfork. At this point I would actually put Mayo ahead of Wilfork, because of the lack of depth we have behind him. But, yeah Moss is definitely number 2. This team wins because of its offense, and the offense is not even close to what it is without Randy.

It's hard to compare offense and defense. Divide it up.

On offense I personally rank it:

1. Brady
2. Welker
3. Moss
4. Mankins

Though I can understand those who rate Moss as more valuable than Welker.

On defense I would currently rank it:

1. Mayo
2. Wilfork
3. Thomas
4. Seymour

With Warren and Meriweather close behind.

 

[Patjew]

Brady
Moss/A. Thomas
Wilfork
Mayo
Welker
Seymour
Mankins


















Yates

 

[the taildragger]

MOSS.

They must be sarcastic saying Mayo is more important than Moss.

I'm so sick of the defensive bias in the local media. Just because the Pats won a couple super bowls with an anemic offense doesn't mean receiver wasn't the GLARING GAPING HOLE on this team for 6 of the last 7 years that mattered.

DO NOT EVER FORGET THAT.

The larger question is why would anyone care what Shaugnessey and/or Ryan think about football?? Chris Mortensen knows more than they do.

 

[Deus Irae]

Brady
Moss/A. Thomas
Wilfork
Mayo
Welker
Seymour
Mankins


















Yates

You have grossly overrated Yates.

 

[Robdude]

MOSS.

They must be sarcastic saying Mayo is more important than Moss.

I'm so sick of the defensive bias in the local media. Just because the Pats won a couple super bowls with an anemic offense doesn't mean receiver wasn't the GLARING GAPING HOLE on this team for 6 of the last 7 years that mattered.

DO NOT EVER FORGET THAT.

The larger question is why would anyone care what Shaugnessey and/or Ryan think about football?? Chris Mortensen knows more than they do.

I beleive the results came from an internet pole. The writers were not saying that Mayo is more important. They were reporting the results of a pole that I imagine most of us voted on

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

You have grossly overrated Yates.

Yates =

 

[ScottieC]

Except, you know, every other successful offense we've ever run here.

Just sayin.

I think that's a pretty pedestrian comment, not to mention disrespectful to Moss's ability to change a game.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I think that's a pretty pedestrian comment, not to mention disrespectful to Moss's ability to change a game.

I don't think Sicilian was trying to disrespect Moss. I think the point was to say that they in years past, the Pats have had offensive teams that have put up between 22-27ppg w/o Moss and win consistently.

We can all agree that Moss makes this offense as currently consitutued another potential Top-5 of all-time offense....

 

[bucky]

So my list would be similar to yours, really:

Tier 1 (Basically, these guys are just so good that they're irreplaceable, period): Brady, Moss, Seymour, Mayo

Tier 2 (Maybe not as irreplaceable as the tier one guys, but extremely important to our scheme and the makeup of the roster): Wilfork, Welker, Neal and Adalius

Wow, Mayo is in the same category as Moss, Brady and Seymour. Can't agree with that one. Mayo is a valuable player because he plays on every down at a position with little depth. But as far as the impact his presence has on the game, he's nowhere near Brady and Moss.

Let me just put it this way. If Mayo gets hurt, he weakens 1 spot on the team. If Moss gets hurt, it makes every player on offense worse.

 

[Sicilian]

I think that's a pretty pedestrian comment, not to mention disrespectful to Moss's ability to change a game.

No disrespect intended. Moss definitely adds a dimension to our offense that no one else can, but the fact remains are offenses were still pretty good before he got here, and we have won super bowls without him.

I'm not on the Mayo train either. I think Seymour and Wilfork are more important than Mayo, at least going into this year. He may prove otherwise this season, who knows.

 

[mayoclinic]

Wow, Mayo is in the same category as Moss, Brady and Seymour. Can't agree with that one. Mayo is a valuable player because he plays on every down at a position with little depth. But as far as the impact his presence has on the game, he's nowhere near Brady and Moss.

Let me just put it this way. If Mayo gets hurt, he weakens 1 spot on the team. If Moss gets hurt, it makes every player on offense worse.

Gotta disagree with you, especially with your last statement.

First, as I understand it the issue is about being indispensable, not about how one player rates compared to other's at the same position. Mayo may not be at the same pinnacle as Brady or Moss, but he's on the way up and will probably be quite close to the top by the end of this season.

More important, Mayo's value to the team far exceeds "1 spot on the team". He's the glue in the middle, the defensive signal caller, the quarterback of the defense. Think about what we lost with Tedy Bruschi after the 2004 SB and how it affected our 2005 defense - we haven't been the same yet. Obviously other players declining factored in, but having a player of Mayo's caliber playing that particular position is immeasurably important - so much so that I consider him the most indispensable defense player, even ahead of Vince Wilfork, Adalius Thomas and Richard Seymour.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Let me just put it this way. If Mayo gets hurt, he weakens 1 spot on the team. If Moss gets hurt, it makes every player on offense worse.

Losing your best ILB has a major impact on the surrounding players, even independently of the fact that it would probably force Belichick to move Adalius inside, thus downgrading both ILB (where Mayo > Adalius) and OLB (Where Adalius > whoever replaces him).

 

[bucky]

Losing your best ILB has a major impact on the surrounding players, even independently of the fact that it would probably force Belichick to move Adalius inside, thus downgrading both ILB (where Mayo > Adalius) and OLB (Where Adalius > whoever replaces him).

You guys are overrating Mayo a little. Hopefully, he will be a great LB soon. But he's not there yet. And in coverage he's actually a liability (or at least he was last year). If something happens to him, either Bruschi or AD takes over the play calling. We may shift to more of a 4-3, but that's not so bad with so many good DL and Burgess on the roster.

Remember, just slightly more than a year ago, this team went undefeated and Mayo was not in the NFL yet. Our LBs were Colvin (out of the league), Seau (out of the league), Vrabel (traded away), Bruschi and AD (playing ILB).

I have a stat. The 2008 offense - with Cassell throwing to Moss/Welker was actually more productive than the 2006 version with Brady throwing to Caldwell/Brown. They had more points, more passing yards, and more rushing yards. And their OL/TE/RBs were pretty much the same.

There is no question in my mind that the loss of Moss will hurt the team more than the loss of Mayo. No question at all.

 

[JFK]

No disrespect intended. Moss definitely adds a dimension to our offense that no one else can, but the fact remains are offenses were still pretty good before he got here, and we have won super bowls without him.

I'm not on the Mayo train either. I think Seymour and Wilfork are more important than Mayo, at least going into this year. He may prove otherwise this season, who knows.

You can say the same about Mayo too regarding the Defense. Mayo really isn't as proven as Moss. I think it's pretty irresponsible to rate him based on a year in the NFL. Mayo hasn't proven to be a play maker but Moss has. Moss is the most important after Brady. Moss makes Welker and the other WR's look and play better. Moss is the reason we are a pass happy team.

 

[mayoclinic]

You guys are overrating Mayo a little. Hopefully, he will be a great LB soon. But he's not there yet. And in coverage he's actually a liability (or at least he was last year). If something happens to him, either Bruschi or AD takes over the play calling. We may shift to more of a 4-3, but that's not so bad with so many good DL and Burgess on the roster.

Remember, just slightly more than a year ago, this team went undefeated and Mayo was not in the NFL yet. Our LBs were Colvin (out of the league), Seau (out of the league), Vrabel (traded away), Bruschi and AD (playing ILB).

I have a stat. The 2008 offense - with Cassell throwing to Moss/Welker was actually more productive than the 2006 version with Brady throwing to Caldwell/Brown. They had more points, more passing yards, and more rushing yards. And their OL/TE/RBs were pretty much the same.

There is no question in my mind that the loss of Moss will hurt the team more than the loss of Mayo. No question at all.

As I recall, there was this little glitch in the 2008 SB in which the inability of the defense to rise to the occasion figured prominently.

 

[Run DMC]

Mayo looks to be a great player possibly, but man is he overhyped. You guys ever hear of Richard Seymour? I would say he is the main component of the pats domination of the the last decade, and if you asked BB, I bet he would agree. And let us not forget the man who is the centerpiece of the 2 greatest offenses in NFL history:

 

[Yfz01]

Randy Moss is the easy answer. Actually, Moss might be the most valuable player on the team, including Brady. That isn't something I am going to argue though. Talking like that can get me :banned: