Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Military

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Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

Talk about a pointless signing.

 

[patchick]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

Let's say BB knows his RB corps is going to be Taylor, Maroney, Faulk, Morris. They're all vets and require little evaluation at this point, and they play a position that....

- is more plug-in and less integrate-into-the-offense than most. (that's why RB is the position where rookies typically have the greatest impact.)

- takes an incredible amount of pounding and yields a lot of injuries.

Given that, a spare body to limit the reps for the "big 4" in the 3 remaining preseason games could make sense. It also gives you a pre-trained standby who is practice-squad eligible (Law Firm is not).

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

I know Maroney is your binky DB(I respect that as we all have favorites) but I say in my humble opinion that Maroney is playing his way to the bench and yes I did watch and yes I do know a little bit (maybe not much). He is still dancing and it cannot be corrected it appears unfortunately.
If you watch his moves he is trying to play like a 180lb Warrick Dunn scatback type but with a 223lb body. His style is just not working in this offense. He would be a better back for the Colts, Chargers or some team who might use the stretch. He does not have scatback quickness. I will say this again that I believe he does not have great vision or feel for the hole.
If Kevin Faulk had Maroneys size he would be a three down starter with 1,500 yards. He fills the hole the way a big back does and still runs away from people.
I am of the opinion that a trade of Maroney for picks could be a solution although I do not believe this Taylor kid is the answer to the depth chart.
DW Toys

Good lord.

You're still banging the trade Maroney drum, even though I remember explaining to you repeatedly why that would never happen.

Unbelievable.

 

[MetalBleachers]

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I know Maroney is your binky DB(I respect that as we all have favorites) but I say in my humble opinion that Maroney is playing his way to the bench and yes I did watch and yes I do know a little bit (maybe not much). He is still dancing and it cannot be corrected it appears unfortunately.
If you watch his moves he is trying to play like a 180lb Warrick Dunn scatback type but with a 223lb body. His style is just not working in this offense. He would be a better back for the Colts, Chargers or some team who might use the stretch. He does not have scatback quickness. I will say this again that I believe he does not have great vision or feel for the hole.
DW Toys

:agree: I'm pulling for Maroney, but if anyone thinks his aggressiveness and decision-making aren't issues, then he's not paying attention. :snob:

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

:agree: I'm pulling for Maroney, but if anyone thinks his aggressiveness and decision-making aren't issues, then he's not paying attention. :snob:

That's just flat-out untrue. Of course we could rehash this whole argument and show you the statistics which prove Maroney's value, but who can argue with such substantial observatives like "he has poor vision and feel for the hole (wtf)" and continue to question his aggressiveness and decision-making, whatever that's supposed to mean. It must be convenient to make arguments without any sort of metrics or benchmarks to support your points.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

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:agree: I'm pulling for Maroney, but if anyone thinks his aggressiveness and decision-making aren't issues, then he's not paying attention. :snob:

I'm not paying attention, sadly for you and DW, neither is BB.

By the way DW, congrats on getting James Sanders back. :rocker:

 

[BradyFTW!]

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FFS, could someone please explain to me how it's possible to have an excellent YPC and DVOA while almost never losing yards... if you have poor vision and decisionmaking skills?

 

[PatsFanSince74]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

That's just flat-out untrue. Of course we could rehash this whole argument and show you the statistics which prove Maroney's value, but who can argue with such substantial observatives like "he has poor vision and feel for the hole (wtf)" and continue to question his aggressiveness and decision-making, whatever that's supposed to mean. It must be convenient to make arguments without any sort of metrics or benchmarks to support your points.

what's more, shouldn't talk about Maroney's "feel for the hole" get like x'd out by a porn filter? i mean, this is a family channel and everything. :singing:

 

[Garbanza]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

:agree: I'm pulling for Maroney, but if anyone thinks his aggressiveness and decision-making aren't issues, then he's not paying attention. :snob:

+1 million!

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

+1 million!

If you agree, please answer the following question:

FFS, could someone please explain to me how it's possible to have an excellent YPC and DVOA while almost never losing yards... if you have poor vision and decisionmaking skills?

 

[patchick]

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FFS, could someone please explain to me how it's possible to have an excellent YPC and DVOA while almost never losing yards... if you have poor vision and decisionmaking skills?

Same way it's possible for BJGE's 3.7 ypc to be better than Maroney's 4.3 ypc.

And now back to our regularly scheduled discussion of Chris Taylor and Mike Richardson...

 

[Urgent]

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Interesting on Richardson.
He seemed like the next guy on the list at CB - the first guy below the five we think are making the team. And there are always injuries to Pats CB's.
If one of the top five were injured during training camp, I thought there was a decent chance he would make the roster.

Love is below him, and he's been cut once already from the 80-man roster. Maybe they think more of Love now.

 

[MetalBleachers]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

That's just flat-out untrue. Of course we could rehash this whole argument and show you the statistics which prove Maroney's value, but who can argue with such substantial observatives like "he has poor vision and feel for the hole (wtf)" and continue to question his aggressiveness and decision-making, whatever that's supposed to mean. It must be convenient to make arguments without any sort of metrics or benchmarks to support your points.

Laurence Maroney - Official New England Patriots Biography

So, you're guaranteeing Maroney's future success based on a six-game span from two seasons ago, including a 156-yard performance vs. a 1-15 Miami club? In fact, take away that one game (14 carries), and his 4.5 ypc average for 2007 decreases to a shade under 4 (3.97). Laurence Maroney

Let me ask you this: what will you be looking for when Maroney runs the ball this week? The majestic way he holds his shoulders? How his glorious locks trail behind him? I assume you'll be watching for how quickly he finds and hits the hole.

But then, I don't know anything about football. Thanks for enlightening me.

 

[JoeSixPat]

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Talk about a pointless signing.

There's always a point with Belichick - and with any team that makes these signings.

Pre-season is a time to assess as much talent as you can - including, and sometimes especially, players who are "bubble" players who are longshots to make the 53 man roster and who will remain as unsigned free agents into the season.

In other words, its a time to assess and create a shadow roster that one can turn to if the injury bug hits.

When it comes to RB and DB you can never have too many players on the shadow roster.

 

[patchick]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

Interesting on Richardson.
He seemed like the next guy on the list at CB - the first guy below the five we think are making the team. And there are always injuries to Pats CB's.

Agreed, it's pretty early to leave the position at 53-level staffing, especially with Springs off the field.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

Interesting on Richardson.
He seemed like the next guy on the list at CB - the first guy below the five we think are making the team. And there are always injuries to Pats CB's.
If one of the top five were injured during training camp, I thought there was a decent chance he would make the roster.

Love is below him, and he's been cut once already from the 80-man roster. Maybe they think more of Love now.

Love is Practice Squad eligible, Richardson isn't. The next question to ask is whether Richardson cleaned out his locker or if his name plate is still up?

 

[JackBauer]

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Laurence Maroney - Official New England Patriots Biography

So, you're guaranteeing Maroney's future success based on a six-game span from two seasons ago, including a 156-yard performance vs. a 1-15 Miami club? In fact, take away that one game (14 carries), and his 4.5 ypc average for 2007 decreases to a shade under 4 (3.97). Laurence Maroney

Where did I claim to guarantee his success? While I happen to be of the belief that Maroney is the team's best runningback currently on the roster, I wouldn't begrudge those who feel differently... provided they have some basis for their claims that aren't exclusively intangible and nebulous. It's sort of like arguing with people who believe Obama isn't a US citizen; no amount of evidence is ever going to change their mind, because once they have a belief in their head, there's nothing you can say or do to change it.

I'm making my judgments about Maroney based on his body of work so far. I'm sure if you remove blowout games for any runningback it would decrease their YPC, so I'm not sure how that's relevant

Let me ask you this: what will you be looking for when Maroney runs the ball this week? The majestic way he holds his shoulders? How his glorious locks trail behind him? I assume you'll be watching for how quickly he finds and hits the hole.

I'll be watching the runblocking, mostly.

But then, I don't know anything about football. Thanks for enlightening me.

I'm glad to see you've decided to start arguing with yourself now.

 

[JDSal45]

Re: Pats sign RB Chris Taylor, release Richardson, place Shun White on Reserve/Milita

Laurence Maroney - Official New England Patriots Biography

So, you're guaranteeing Maroney's future success based on a six-game span from two seasons ago, including a 156-yard performance vs. a 1-15 Miami club? In fact, take away that one game (14 carries), and his 4.5 ypc average for 2007 decreases to a shade under 4 (3.97). Laurence Maroney

Let me ask you this: what will you be looking for when Maroney runs the ball this week? The majestic way he holds his shoulders? How his glorious locks trail behind him? I assume you'll be watching for how quickly he finds and hits the hole.

But then, I don't know anything about football. Thanks for enlightening me.

Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. As if no other backs played against Miami that year. How about you take away his worst game? In the regular season against Super Bowl champs New York Giants? 19 carries for 46 yards?

If you do that, his ypc increases to 4.8 ypc, among the best in the league.

And I guess the 122 yards in two straight games he ran against two playoff teams, Jacksonville and San Diego, including in the AFCCG don't count? And the 700+ yards he put up in a whole separate year as a rookie with an excellent YPC? That was a 6 game stretch despite being a whole different season? Funny some people are so ignorant they just resort to blatant lying to try to make a pathetic point.

All backs play against good and bad teams. The bottom line is, Maroney's career YPC is very good and well above average. As well as well above BenJarvus Green-Ellis' career average.

J D Sal

 

[MetalBleachers]

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Oh yeah, that makes a lot of sense. As if no other backs played against Miami that year. How about you take away his worst game? In the regular season against Super Bowl champs New York Giants? 19 carries for 46 yards?

If you do that, his ypc increases to 4.8 ypc, among the best in the league.

And I guess the 122 yards in two straight games he ran against two playoff teams, Jacksonville and San Diego, including in the AFCCG don't count? And the 700+ yards he put up in a whole separate year as a rookie with an excellent YPC? That was a 6 game stretch despite being a whole different season? Funny some people are so ignorant they just resort to blatant lying to try to make a pathetic point.

All backs play against good and bad teams. The bottom line is, Maroney's career YPC is very good and well above average. As well as well above BenJarvus Green-Ellis' career average.

J D Sal

Somehow I've been painted as a Maroney hater. It's true that I have his 8X10 on my bedroom wall in my mother's basement, and at times after pausing Madden I'll get up off my beanbag chair, brush the nacho cheese dust off my used-to-be-white t-shirt, and stab at Maroney's photo with a foam rubber broad sword I bought at a LARP convention. But that's just me.

I hope Maroney plays 19 games this year and rushes for over 1,200 yards. I just lack the same confidence in him that you all seem to have.

Moving on: Hey, Patchick, how surprised were you to see Richardson go?

 

[Synovia]

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So, you're guaranteeing Maroney's future success based

Maroney certainly isn't guaranteed to have future success, but BGJE is pretty much guaranteed to never be anything more than scrub roster filler.


Maroney is also CHEAPER than BJGE, as cutting/Trading Maroney accelerates 900K of bonus. Its a 1.3M swing between Maroney on the roster+BJGE cut to Maroney cut with BJGE on the roster.