Every year a surprise team makes the SB--Which one will it be?

[PATSYLICIOUS]

Well it's gonna hafta be from the NFC cuz since 2003 you can bet the AFC rep will either be NE/Pitt/Indy/SD. And IMO that won't change this year. The only real 'favorite' in the NFC has to be the Giants and if they go down early again it can be anyone. I would pick the Seahawks if Hasselback returns to form. Weak division and they were affected by a ton of injuries last year.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Like I said, I get this is Pats board and you guys hate the Colts, but come on, try to at least deal in reality if you're bashing the Colts. Every team gets some lucky calls, the Colts, the Pats, every team. That doesn't mean the "refs are on their side".

speaking of the refs, does anyone remember the steelers getting a major non call in the SB last year when the play clock ran out and 5 seconds later the center snapped the ball and roethlisberger hit one of his receivers for a big 30 yard play that set up a TD? Seriously, the steelers should have lost last year.

but you are right. the clots are good. they are going to be more agressive on D. the big question mark is they have a smallish offensive line and peyton tends to make mistakes.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

speaking of the refs, does anyone remember the steelers getting a major non call in the SB last year when the play clock ran out and 5 seconds later Roethlisberger hit one of his receivers for a big 30 yard play that set up a TD? Seriously, the steelers should have lost last year.

but you are right. the clots are good. they are going to be more agressive on D. the big question mark is they have a smallish offensive line and peyton tends to make mistakes.

Right, Peyton tends to "make mistakes". Manning is a major weakness for the Colts. Didn't Brady throw a total of 6 int's in his two games against the Chargers? Brady fumbles a lot more than Manning. Manning makes as few mistakes as any QB in the league, including Brady.

 

[SHOWTIME15]

Right, Peyton tends to "make mistakes". Manning is a major weakness for the Colts. Didn't Brady throw a total of 6 int's in his two games against the Chargers? Brady fumbles a lot more than Manning. Manning makes as few mistakes as any QB in the league, including Brady.

i'm not making fun of peyton. i think he's great. but just look at his TD/INT ratio and compare that to brady's.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

And going by the usual "Colts are finished" vibe that happens every year around this time here, I'd say the Colts are going to be a surprise team for a lot of you.

My surprise team are the Cowboys. I've already stated why in other threads.

As for the Colts, whether you believe it or not, they are on the decline for several reasons. First, the Colts can't run the ball because either their O-line stinks or their RB's stink. However, the addition of Donald Brown certainly helps. Like all QB's, Manning is at his best when defenses have to respect the run game. Also, the Colts don't have anybody to stretch the field. While Wayne, Clark and Gonzalez are good receivers, the Colts won't be getting too many quick scores this season. In addition, it seemed like it took forever for the Colts to score points in 2008.

Next, their defense is weak and their scheme will only take them so far. In particular, their LB's seem to wear down every season and Bob Sanders' kamikaze style is catching up to him. While Freeney and Mathis are studs, they will be ineffective if the Colts can't consistently stop the run. Lastly, their DT's aren't scaring anybody.

And if that doesn't do it for you, how does losing two years in a row to the same team in the first game of the playoffs? How about a first time head coach? If I were you, I'd be worried.

 

[Pats Fanatic]

Green Bay Packers I really think that if they find their defense from 2007 they will be dangerous and they might have a QB that doesn't throw an int. at the worst possible time.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

i'm not making fun of peyton. i think he's great. but just look at his TD/INT ratio and compare that to brady's.

Ok, lets.

Manning's career INT percentage 2.8.

Brady's is 2.4.

Wow, what a difference, on top of that Manning's INT percentage is affected by his rookie year where he threw 28 INTs. His INT percentages of the last 6 has never been higher than 2.7 and that was one year. The other five years it's not been higher than 2.2 and has been under 2 twice.

Lets do a year by year comparison for Brady and Manning

2001

Brady 2.9
Manning 4.2

2002

Brady 2.3
Manning 3.2

2003

Brady 2.3
Manning 1.8

2004

Brady 3.0
Manning 2.0

2005

Brady 2.6
Manning 2.2

2006

Brady 2.3
Manning 1.6

2007

Brady 1.4
Manning 2.7

In the past 7 seasons (I didn't count 2008) Manning has had a better INT percentage than Brady 4 times.

Lets look at fumbles.

Brady: 65 in 113 games.

Manning: 52 in 176 games.

You say Manning makes more mistakes when Brady has had a worse INT percentage 4/7 years VS Manning, and Brady fumbles a lot more than Manning.

So lets hear what you have to say.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

those odds are just based on the way people are betting. They don't mean anything. Does anyone really think the Cowboys are the 2nd best team in the league?

And going by the usual "Colts are finished" vibe that happens every year around this time here, I'd say the Colts are going to be a surprise team for a lot of you.

Some of the breakdowns of the Colts around here are so homerish, Caldwell is going to be much different on Defense compared to Dungy first off. Someone on here said the Colt were "staying the course". If you don't know what you're talking about you shouldn't open your mouth. The D is going to be much more aggressive, the D line is totally changed and the attitude has changed, look at them bringing back Ed Johnson.

And for Mike the Brit or whatever your name was you said the Colts "have the refs on their side", I get this is a Pats board and it's fun to say things like that, but did you actually watch Colts games last year? Particularly the Jags@Indy game, the Colts/Packers game, or the PO game against the Chargers? The Colts lost the Jags game after a 4th down stop of the Jags, on a penalty. The Colts were penalized out the wazoo VS Green Bay. And the Chargers game? Did you see OT? Did you see all the penalties called on the Colts? Just going by those three games how do the "Colts have the refs on their side"? They lost two of those games directly because of penalties, including the PO game.

Like I said, I get this is Pats board and you guys hate the Colts, but come on, try to at least deal in reality if you're bashing the Colts. Every team gets some lucky calls, the Colts, the Pats, every team. That doesn't mean the "refs are on their side".

geez...did you read a word that i wrote...i even said that we shouldn't say a team was a "surprise" just because we liked to dis them or didn't like them...trolls are welcome, but you should at least read what people write...

 

[Kontradiction]

Green Bay Packers I really think that if they find their defense from 2007 they will be dangerous and they might have a QB that doesn't throw an int. at the worst possible time.

Damn it, you beat me to the punch! I think if Raji is able to plug a few holes this year and slow down the opponent's rushing game, the defensive switch (while it may not be what you would call "staunch") will work out for them. Their offense is, without question, pretty damn good. If they get the kinks worked out on the defensive side of the ball, they could make a surpising run.

As long as the Cowboys are led by Wade Phillips, they are not going to win a Super Bowl. He would be an excellent defensive coordinator for them but, as a head coach, he leaves a little something to be desired.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

geez...did you read a word that i wrote...i even said that we shouldn't say a team was a "surprise" just because we liked to dis them or didn't like them...trolls are welcome, but you should at least read what people write...

No offense man, but no. I wasn't even responding to you really, I just saw the odds posted, that's the only thing I responded to your post about and all I was saying is those odds are based on the way people bet, not actual strength of the teams.

I was responding to the people on here who every year say "the Colts are finished'. They say it every single season. The Colts are 4-1 out of the last 5 against NE and have one a SB more recently.

And I'm not a troll just because I'm not a Pats fan and disagree with you. You know what a troll is? Someone who just flames or spouts nonsense to get a response. You show me one single example of me doing that on these boards and I'll leave.

 

[ScottieC]

Ok, lets.

Manning's career INT percentage 2.8.

Brady's is 2.4.

Wow, what a difference, on top of that Manning's INT percentage is affected by his rookie year where he threw 28 INTs. His INT percentages of the last 6 has never been higher than 2.7 and that was one year. The other five years it's not been higher than 2.2 and has been under 2 twice.

Lets do a year by year comparison for Brady and Manning

2001

Brady 2.9
Manning 4.2

2002

Brady 2.3
Manning 3.2

2003

Brady 2.3
Manning 1.8

2004

Brady 3.0
Manning 2.0

2005

Brady 2.6
Manning 2.2

2006

Brady 2.3
Manning 1.6

2007

Brady 1.4
Manning 2.7

In the past 7 seasons (I didn't count 2008) Manning has had a better INT percentage than Brady 4 times.

Lets look at fumbles.

Brady: 65 in 113 games.

Manning: 52 in 176 games.

You say Manning makes more mistakes when Brady has had a worse INT percentage 4/7 years VS Manning, and Brady fumbles a lot more than Manning.

So lets hear what you have to say.

Well, He said: but just look at his TD/INT ratio and compare that to brady's.

And you proved his point, so that's what we have to say.

Run along now.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wow. What a suprise. A conversation about how good the Colts will be this year degenerates into another Manning vs. Brady debate. Yay.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Well, He said: but just look at his TD/INT ratio and compare that to brady's.

And you proved his point, so that's what we have to say.

Run along now.

Yeah, that's a great point, except it ignores the fact that what he said is wrong. He's said Manning makes too many mistakes. No, he really doesn't.

You totally ignored the fact that Manning isn't making more "mistakes" than Brady these days. You want to talk about 8 years ago? Ok. Now? Not so much.

The fact is Brady in recent seasons has a higher INT percentage than Manning and as I've said over and over fumbles a lot more. Fumbles are "mistakes" too.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Wow. What a suprise. A conversation about how good the Colts will be this year degenerates into another Manning vs. Brady debate. Yay.

This isn't a Manning VS Brady debate for me. They're both great. Brady is one of the best ever IMO. Quote me.

All I'm pointing out is that the Manning isn't making any more "mistakes" than Brady. For the past 8 years Mannning has had a better INT percentage than Brady most of the time.

That guy was saying that Manning was one of weaknesses on the Colts (which makes no sense anywhere except on a Pats board). I'm just saying he's completely wrong and it's just him hating the Colts. He's the one that wanted to compare INT percentages. Nowadays, Manning's is usually better than Bradys and that's a fact.

 

[Kontradiction]

The fact is Brady in recent seasons has a higher INT percentage than Manning and as I've said over and over fumbles a lot more. Fumbles are "mistakes" too.

Brady threw 8 INTs to 50 TDs in his last full season. Not sure what you're trying to say.

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Brady threw 8 INTs to 50 TDs in his last full season. Not sure what you're trying to say.

Yeah, that one season. The last season that Brady had a lower INT percentage than Manning before 2007 was 2002.

Manning's INT percentage was better in 2003, 2004, 2005, 2006.

All I was doing was replying to the guy who said Manning "makes too many mistakes, look at his INT percentage compared to Brady's".

So there it is. Manning has had a better INT percentage 4 out of the past 5 years. So now, homerism aside, how is it that Manning is making too many mistakes but Brady isn't, if Manning is throwing a lower percentage of INTs and doesn't fumble anywhere near as often as Brady?

My point is Manning doesn't make many mistakes and there is your proof.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

My point is Manning doesn't make many mistakes and there is your proof.

Here's my proof;

1. Eli is his brother (though that could be more his dads mistake)
2. He didnt marry THE supermodel on the planet
3. He plays for the Colts
4. He wore the ugliest uniform color in college.

ok, this is dumb, i got nothing. They're both great QBs, so everyone stop the comparison.

My surprise team of the year will be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THE CARDS! I know they were in it last year, but ive been picking them as my surprise team for a decade now. So, i just can't stop. Its a habit

 

[BigtimeColtsfans]

Here's my proof;

1. Eli is his brother (though that could be more his dads mistake)
2. He didnt marry THE supermodel on the planet
3. He plays for the Colts
4. He wore the ugliest uniform color in college.

ok, this is dumb, i got nothing. They're both great QBs, so everyone stop the comparison.

My surprise team of the year will be,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,,THE CARDS! I know they were in it last year, but ive been picking them as my surprise team for a decade now. So, i just can't stop. Its a habit

The Cards would be a good darkhorse pick. No one seems to think they can get back to the SB.

It's hard to pick surprise teams, because the NFL is so up and down from year to year you just never can tell, but I think GB is going to be good this year. I think Rodgers is the real deal.

 

[eagle eye]

Redskins vs Pats Superbowl XLIV. Pats win of course.

 

[PatsFanSince74]

No offense man, but no. I wasn't even responding to you really, I just saw the odds posted, that's the only thing I responded to your post about and all I was saying is those odds are based on the way people bet, not actual strength of the teams.

I was responding to the people on here who every year say "the Colts are finished'. They say it every single season. The Colts are 4-1 out of the last 5 against NE and have one a SB more recently.

And I'm not a troll just because I'm not a Pats fan and disagree with you. You know what a troll is? Someone who just flames or spouts nonsense to get a response. You show me one single example of me doing that on these boards and I'll leave.

I would define quoting my post after evidently not reading it and then going on to misrepresent its carefully and clearly stated content (i.e., while a big Pats fan, I specifically challenged those who called the Colts a "surprise") as fulfilling the criteria for "spouts nonsense." In return, you got "a response." So, you spouted nonsense for a response. To me that qualifies as "one single example."............. See ya!