Adalius Thomas...His first two years as a Patriot

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Adalius Thomas ...His first two years as a Patriot

If that were actually true you wouldn't have any criticism of Adalius.

These 'fluffy sack totals' that I reference as a benchmark were set out in your first post on the subject.



You need to ease up a bit on the fantasy football stat nerding and watch a little more football.

In todays NFL, if you are not producing up to your contract, you are either cut, traded, or asked to renegotiate. Yes. If AD was notching 11, 12, 13 sack seasons, forcing all kinds of fumbles, etc. that would indicate he is making big plays on a regular basis. He has not been a James Harrison-type player that you would expect from a $22m guaranteed player w/ a cap hit of another $20 or so mil at the end. Is BB glad he is here? Of course. Does he think his production has been equivilent to the money the team is paying him? I think it's up for debate.

I still don't understand why that statement is so outrageous to you?

 

[eom]

Re: Adalius Thomas ...His first two years as a Patriot

You are missing my point. I agree, AD has been a fine player here. I'm glad we have him. But as I said in a previous post, to this point in his time here, you have to wonder what the front office's take on AD production vs contract. Are they disappointed? Are they ok with it? i don't know.

This is what you posted.

What you don't seem to want to understand is that you are the one wondering, but feel the need to attribute it to the rest of us and the Pats organization.
We don't actually need to wonder that, and I haven't seen any indication that the Pats do, either.

I believe his deal was 35m for 5 yrs, while Harrison's was 50 for 6 and Suggs got 62m for 6 w/38 guaranteed.
I'm perfectly happy w/the contract and the player.
Sorry if you aren't.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Adalius Thomas ...His first two years as a Patriot

This is what you posted.

What you don't seem to want to understand is that you are the one wondering, but feel the need to attribute it to the rest of us and the Pats organization.
We don't actually need to wonder that, and I haven't seen any indication that the Pats do, either.

I believe his deal was 35m for 5 yrs, while Harrison's was 50 for 6 and Suggs got 62m for 6 w/38 guaranteed.
I'm perfectly happy w/the contract and the player.
Sorry if you aren't.

....and I'm glad you are happy with the player and the contract. We now understand each other clearly.

Look, based on the results of this poll, almost 30% of the people feel that AD has performed below expecations for a multitude of reasons (injury, etc). I think it's reasonble to wonder what the FO's take is vs expected ROI on AD. Hell, a majority of what is written on this board is opinion & speculation. I really don't care if you accept or dismiss my speculation. Time will tell what the Pats think.

 

[eom]

Re: Adalius Thomas ...His first two years as a Patriot

Time will tell what the Pats think.

In that case, to get the answer to your question all you need to do is less posting and more waiting.

 

[RobertWeathers]

Re: Adalius Thomas ...His first two years as a Patriot

In that case, to get the answer to your question all you need to do is less posting and more waiting.

That was actually pretty funny..

 

[dhamz]

Starting after the bye week in 2007 after Colvin went down, Thomas has played 18 games in NE at OLB (not counting the Buffalo game he got hurt this past year) and he has 13 sacks. That is the type of production I was expecting.

 

[Brady-To-Branch]

To the 30% who pick # 3...

AT had a FF and 2 sacks in SB 42. If the Pats had won that game, this poll wouldn't exist.

 

[ausbacker]

Re: Adalius Thomas ...His first two years as a Patriot

He's matching the output I expected of AT. People will get a sight this season of a rampaging Thomas destroying opponents. I've just got that feeling.

 

[WelshPat]

"Typically, players dont put up big sack totals in this D"

I hate this defense of a player. If Demarcus Ware played for the Patriots, he would get 15+ sacks every year

Thomas was sold as a game changing LB'er, which he hasn't been. Certanly not a bad player, but i was expecting a lot more

 

[BritPat]

"Typically, players dont put up big sack totals in this D"

I hate this defense of a player. If Demarcus Ware played for the Patriots, he would get 15+ sacks every year

Thomas was sold as a game changing LB'er, which he hasn't been. Certanly not a bad player, but i was expecting a lot more

He wouldn't because he'd spend much more time in coverage.

Adalius' has been very good, his versatility is a huge bonus, and he's been excellent when both inside and outside.

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

I was always under the impression (based on quotes from Coach Belichick, and the general perception nationally of his game) that Adalius Thomas is not considered to be a pure pass-rusher. His strength is his versatility. He's the team's best LB in coverage--witness his pick 6 vs Philip Rivers in his first season as a Pat) and is a guy that the Patriots can play inside, outside, in space, rushing the passer. To assess his play purely on statistics is to miss the overall impact he makes. He may not rush the passer as much with Burgess on the other side, but he may also benefit from the attention that Burgess will get from offensive lines when they pass. If Adalius stays healthy this year (he's been pretty durable throughout his career), we will get a very good season from him. He knows the defense, and he's a smart player. I'm happy to have him.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

"Typically, players dont put up big sack totals in this D"

I hate this defense of a player. If Demarcus Ware played for the Patriots, he would get 15+ sacks every year

Thomas was sold as a game changing LB'er, which he hasn't been. Certanly not a bad player, but i was expecting a lot more

Bullfeathers. Ware plays in a one-gap penetrating 3-4 where the OLB are rarely asked to cover receivers - the same with Merriman in San Diego - it does make a difference. Further, who "sold" Thomas "as a game changing LB'er?" It sure wasn't Belichick and his generic "he's a good football player" answers.

 

[Tip_Drill_81]

I was always under the impression (based on quotes from Coach Belichick, and the general perception nationally of his game) that Adalius Thomas is not considered to be a pure pass-rusher. His strength is his versatility. He's the team's best LB in coverage--witness his pick 6 vs Philip Rivers in his first season as a Pat) and is a guy that the Patriots can play inside, outside, in space, rushing the passer. To assess his play purely on statistics is to miss the overall impact he makes. He may not rush the passer as much with Burgess on the other side, but he may also benefit from the attention that Burgess will get from offensive lines when they pass. If Adalius stays healthy this year (he's been pretty durable throughout his career), we will get a very good season from him. He knows the defense, and he's a smart player. I'm happy to have him.

I was under this same impression.

IIRC, didn't Thomas play a lot of ILB when he first got to NE???
Wasn't he also basically asked to cover TE's like Clark and Witten???

I'm not sure, maybe someone who watches Thomas extensively could answer those questions.
But with those assignments, you really can't be disappointed with thomas' sack totals.

 

[eom]

I was under this same impression.

IIRC, didn't Thomas play a lot of ILB when he first got to NE???

Yes.

Frankly, to just measure him by sack totals is idiotic.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

When he plays inside LB, he play goes unnoticed because he's busy covering TE's. When he played OLB do to Colvin's injury, he was racking up sacks. From what I've seen, Thomas should be primarily as pass rusher because he is very strong and does a great job of bull rushing. His play seems to have gone unnoticed in the super bowl notching 2 sacks and almost sacked Manning a 3rd time before "the play". In my opinion, he would have been my MVP of the super bowl. As for this upcoming season, if Mayo and Guyton can guard the TE, Thomas and Burgess will be a pretty devastating tandem if they can stay healthy. If Thomas spends the majority of his time rushing the passer, he will easily pass the 10 sack mark.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Personally, I was hoping for a bit more. With that said, I totally understand that he played inside in 2007 and was injured last season after putting up some impressive numbers early. This year should be the year where the real Adalius Thomas stands up.

 

[abejarano12]

He has been very good at what he does when healthy the last couple of years he was hurt so he could not do much