Why is Crabtree complaining?

[Bartmac36]

He says he wants to be paid like a top 5 pick and like he was the first WR taken, and that he will sit out the season if he doesn't get his way. The interesting part of all of this is...doesn't Crabtree realize that if he sits out a year he won't be making not only top 5 money, but first round pick money. If he re-enters the draft next year he will fall right out of the first round and will end up probably a 3rd rounder...same thing happened to Bo Jackson...he sat out a year and went from first overall pick to late round pick...

That's a LOT of money for Crabtree to be giving up, so I don't see his logic if his whole argument is that he wants more money...It's a good thing the Patriots didn't trade up for him on draft day like the rumors were saying at one point...

 

[signbabybrady]

He says he wants to be paid like a top 5 pick and like he was the first WR taken, and that he will sit out the season if he doesn't get his way. The interesting part of all of this is...doesn't Crabtree realize that if he sits out a year he won't be making not only top 5 money, but first round pick money. If he re-enters the draft next year he will fall right out of the first round and will end up probably a 3rd rounder...same thing happened to Bo Jackson...he sat out a year and went from first overall pick to late round pick...

That's a LOT of money for Crabtree to be giving up, so I don't see his logic if his whole argument is that he wants more money...It's a good thing the Patriots didn't trade up for him on draft day like the rumors were saying at one point...

its his only real leverage. It likely hurts him but it hurts the team too as the 49ers wouldn't get the pick back. he has no other option...either he signs or he waits and re-enters.

 

[SyN65]

He's complaining because he wants more money. I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

He won't sit out for a year, that's just a bluff by his agent. It's obvious that it's a stupid decision.

 

[farn]

He's complaining because he wants more money. I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

He won't sit out for a year, that's just a bluff by his agent. It's obvious that it's a stupid decision.

He is not getting screwed. Not the 49ers fault other teams didn't rate him higher. Not the 49ers fault he had an injury. He is replaceable. Every player in the league will eventually be replaced.

Sign the deal Crabtree. No one is going to cry about his millions whether he's smart enough to take them, or stupid enough to leave them. GO ahead - wait for the draft next year... when you're taken with and early 3rd rounder, you think the guarantees will be higher ?

 

[JFK]

It's tough for both sides. If Brady was picked #1 overall because Belichick saw something others didn't see, how much do you think Brady should be paid? As #1 overall or as a 6th rounder where he was projected by most analysts and teams

 

[farn]

It's tough for both sides. If Brady was picked #1 overall because Belichick saw something others didn't see, how much do you think Brady should be paid? As #1 overall or as a 6th rounder where he was projected by most analysts and teams

As #1 - the teams know that as soon as they "reach" they'll need to ante up. It has nothing to do with "perceived value". It's all about "slotted value". Hopefully a new deal gets done, and rookie contracts are addressed. The draft was supposed to help out the losers - not hamstring them with big contracts.

Crabtree is #10. He should (and will, if he's smart) get paid as such. Otherwise, SF should say good riddance and if another franchise is stupid enough to trade for him...

 

[SyN65]

He is not getting screwed. Not the 49ers fault other teams didn't rate him higher. Not the 49ers fault he had an injury. He is replaceable. Every player in the league will eventually be replaced.

Sign the deal Crabtree. No one is going to cry about his millions whether he's smart enough to take them, or stupid enough to leave them. GO ahead - wait for the draft next year... when you're taken with and early 3rd rounder, you think the guarantees will be higher ?

I understand it's about slotted value but I read somewhere that the 49er's are kinda low-balling what 10th round pick should make. I also heard that Crabtree wants to sign but it's his agent who isn't budging.

That being said - he isn't going to sit out this year. It's ******ed. As I said before, that's a bluff by his agent in an attempt to make him more money.

 

[JFK]

As #1 - the teams know that as soon as they "reach" they'll need to ante up. It has nothing to do with "perceived value". It's all about "slotted value". Hopefully a new deal gets done, and rookie contracts are addressed. The draft was supposed to help out the losers - not hamstring them with big contracts.

Crabtree is #10. He should (and will, if he's smart) get paid as such. Otherwise, SF should say good riddance and if another franchise is stupid enough to trade for him...

True but if it were any of the other 31 Teams at the raiders slot, Crab would have been picked. Coulda woulda, the 49'ers need to pay him as a #8 or a little less than Bey. They need him

 

[ctpatsfan77]

As #1 - the teams know that as soon as they "reach" they'll need to ante up. It has nothing to do with "perceived value". It's all about "slotted value". Hopefully a new deal gets done, and rookie contracts are addressed. The draft was supposed to help out the losers - not hamstring them with big contracts.

Crabtree is #10. He should (and will, if he's smart) get paid as such. Otherwise, SF should say good riddance and if another franchise is stupid enough to trade for him...

Again, the rookie salary cap pretty much prevents the Niners from trading him, period (since the new team would have to sign him with their existing cap space).

In any case, maybe it's mounting gloom from realizing that he'll only be the second best WR from TT in the NFL right now.

 

[Patsfanin Philly]

True but if it were any of the other 31 Teams at the raiders slot, Crab would have been picked. Coulda woulda, the 49'ers need to pay him as a #8 or a little less than Bey. They need him

No they don't. the team is holding all the cards in this situation. What are his options, a) sit out for the year and hope to recoup it next year?/ Not likely.
His best bet is to sign a contract which will be slotted between #9 and #11 but try to get lots of incentives in there so that if he is as good as he thinks he is and can play like it, he can make the money he thinks he should. In that case, the 49ers would be paying for production and it's a win-win for all parties.

 

[JFK]

They hold most but not all the cards. It is highly improbable be sits out but if he does, they lose their pick. If he feels he is forced to sign then they have a disgruntled player.

 

[Deus Irae]

They hold most but not all the cards. It is highly improbable be sits out but if he does, they lose their pick. If he feels he is forced to sign then they have a disgruntled player.

If he's stupid enough to sit out the season, he'll lose millions that he'll never get back.

San Francisco should offer Parker a 'ceiling' number and start lowering that ceiling by about 100 grand every day.

 

[Deus Irae]

Roddy White just signed for 6 years, $50 million, with $18.6 guaranteed and $28 million in the first 3 years.


Crabtree needs to drink a nice, cool glass of shut the hell up.

 

[Snake Eyes]

I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

The Raiders didn't chose him, so it's irrelevant. Also, would he be better off on the Raiders?

I'd much rather play for a team on the rise with a good atmosphere than for a stupid organization like the Raiders. If he's not worth the big money to the 49ers then he's not getting screwed, they're his only option or his can scratch his butt for the next year and see where it gets him.

 

[jmt57]

If he's stupid enough to sit out the season, he'll lose millions that he'll never get back.

San Francisco should offer Parker a 'ceiling' number and start lowering that ceiling by about 100 grand every day.

I'm with you 100%.

Every day a rookie misses training camp, it's that much less that he will be effective that season. Teams end up paying a player for what ends up to be a wasted season when they hold out. I would love to see a team counter with stats about how ineffective players were in their rookie season when they held out, as a reason why they decided to withdraw a contract and now offer less money.

 

[BTTA]

He's complaining because he wants more money. I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

No person who is going to make more money than 99.99999% of the people who have lived on this planet can be characterized as "getting screwed" because he isn't making more.

 

[eagle eye]

Its becoming more common these days for guys to hold out and try to get as much as they can out of deals. This year is pretty bad that way.
As far as this particular one is concerned, its stupidity on both sides. Firstly you shouldn't be drafting a player if you are not prepared to ante up, just trade down to a level where you know you can pay a guy what he will be looking for and its not like there were no teams looking to trade up either.
Its stupid for Crabtree because not only will he lose money but also because he will have shown himself to be troublesome when he doesn't get his way. It would take years to get your rep back.
I can understand how he would be pissed with Heyward-Bey's contract being a rofl
He is not the only one thats not signed though which is the problem, there are holdouts all over the place waiting to see what transpires in San Fran.

 

[N.Eman]

whatever happens to the niner's pick? I mean what type of compensation they get? 1st round material?

 

[jmt57]

whatever happens to the niner's pick? I mean what type of compensation they get? 1st round material?

They get zip.

Think back to Bo Jackson when he said no to Tampa Bay about 15 years ago.

 

[SyN65]

I think DHB is making something like 38 mil guarenteed at 7, while he is making 21 mil guarenteed at 10. He is kinda getting screwed.

The Raiders didn't chose him, so it's irrelevant. Also, would he be better off on the Raiders?

I'd much rather play for a team on the rise with a good atmosphere than for a stupid organization like the Raiders. If he's not worth the big money to the 49ers then he's not getting screwed, they're his only option or his can scratch his butt for the next year and see where it gets him.

It's not irrelevant. All the picks around the Raiders are having contract problems because the Raiders signed DHB to such a high contract. Every pick is slightly lower than the last. How much DHB got a 7 effects how much the 8th pick will get which will effect how much the 9th pick will get and so on.

No person who is going to make more money than 99.99999% of the people who have lived on this planet can be characterized as "getting screwed" because he isn't making more.

Perhaps I should have chose my words a little bit more carefully.