80% chance of Kevin Carter joining the Pats?

[Deus Irae]

People who suggest that Green should be cut do not understand the cap and how cap numbers come to be.

They see $5 mil cap #!!!!! Yeow! He ain't worth it.

They don't realize that his salary is about $2 mil, not $5 mil. That a good part of the cap came from money already paid him for salary the last two years. The Pats simply paid him but didn't have that money reflect on the cap until this year. Teams do it all the time.

Not that I'm an expert or anything, but I can understand converting salary to signing bonus and how it benefits both player and team, at the cost of confusing lazy sports writers and the casual fans who listen to them.

People realize that cutting/trading Green frees up $2 million on the cap. With the team playing it tight to the cap, that money could make a difference. It's all in how people view Green.

Another aspect of this that gets overlooked is that Carter could end up taking the spot of Keegs' binky.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

green has been spotty at best the last few years, especially a liability against the run.......I place him behind mike wright, so I can't see his value in taking up the cap space that he is.......there are only so many roster spots

I don't believe he will be cut......it would be more likely for him to be traded to the broncos or the chiefs.....figuring he is gone after next season anyway

 

[Ring 6]

People who suggest that Green should be cut do not understand the cap and how cap numbers come to be.

They see $5 mil cap #!!!!! Yeow! He ain't worth it.

They don't realize that his salary is about $2 mil, not $5 mil. That a good part of the cap came from money already paid him for salary the last two years. The Pats simply paid him but didn't have that money reflect on the cap until this year. Teams do it all the time.

Not that I'm an expert or anything, but I can understand converting salary to signing bonus and how it benefits both player and team, at the cost of confusing lazy sports writers and the casual fans who listen to them.

Well, I think Green is in danger, and I understand that cap. That 2mill salary could make a big difference. He isnt getting cut today, but at final cutdown if Seymour and Warren are healthy, Wright is making the team ahead of Green, that is no doubt, he has moved ahead of him on the depth chart, and he would be a huge cap hit to cut. LeKevin Smith was equal to or ahead of Green at the end of last year on the depth chart. If we did sign Carter, I dont know where he fits within the depth chart, but its not unreasonable he could beat out Green. With Brace a lock to make the team and also able to play DE, where exactly does Green fit? 4th DE at best, with Carter, Smith and Brace all potentially ahead of him too. We don't need to keep our 5th, 6th, or 7th DE at 2mill.
Green won't be cut because of his cap hit but because he is very possibly getting beat out for his job. The cap hit could be the clincher if its close between him and Smith.
The days of Green being our #3 'almost a starter' DE are over.

 

[Ring 6]

green has been spotty at best the last few years, especially a liability against the run.......I place him behind mike wright, so I can't see his value in taking up the cap space that he is.......there are only so many roster spots

I don't believe he will be cut......it would be more likely for him to be traded to the broncos or the chiefs.....figuring he is gone after next season anyway

He is clearly behind Wright, because right played ahead of him last year. He is not so clearly behind Smith, because they seemed to split the #4 DE snaps last year. (Backup when warren was out)

 

[mgteich]

I agree with all your comments, except those regarding Brace.

Brace will not be playing DE for the patriots. I think Banta-Cain is more likely. So is Carter and he isn't even signed yet. Brace would be the slowest DE in the entire league.

Well, I think Green is in danger, and I understand that cap. That 2mill salary could make a big difference. He isnt getting cut today, but at final cutdown if Seymour and Warren are healthy, Wright is making the team ahead of Green, that is no doubt, he has moved ahead of him on the depth chart, and he would be a huge cap hit to cut. LeKevin Smith was equal to or ahead of Green at the end of last year on the depth chart. If we did sign Carter, I dont know where he fits within the depth chart, but its not unreasonable he could beat out Green. With Brace a lock to make the team and also able to play DE, where exactly does Green fit? 4th DE at best, with Carter, Smith and Brace all potentially ahead of him too. We don't need to keep our 5th, 6th, or 7th DE at 2mill.
Green won't be cut because of his cap hit but because he is very possibly getting beat out for his job. The cap hit could be the clincher if its close between him and Smith.
The days of Green being our #3 'almost a starter' DE are over.

 

[Ring 6]

I agree with all your comments, except those regarding Brace.

Brace will not be playing DE for the patriots. I think Banta-Cain is more likely. So is Carter and he isn't even signed yet. Brace would be the slowest DE in the entire league.

Brace will be on the team. His ability to play DE at least in a pinch, will be considered in cutting down the final roster. It will definitely impact whether we keep 4 vs 5 or 5 vs 6 DEs on the roster.

 

[DaBruinz]

He is clearly behind Wright, because right played ahead of him last year. He is not so clearly behind Smith, because they seemed to split the #4 DE snaps last year. (Backup when warren was out)

Wright played ahead of Green last year because Green was nursing an injury all of last year.

I feel Green is behind Wright because they brought back Wright and gave him an extremely good deal. One similar to that of Green's contract when he signed back in 2005.

 

[JSn]

I agree with all your comments, except those regarding Brace.

Brace will not be playing DE for the patriots. I think Banta-Cain is more likely. So is Carter and he isn't even signed yet. Brace would be the slowest DE in the entire league.

But he's been taking quite a lot of snaps at DE and with the depth, it's not like we don't have "proper" DE's at back-up who could fill in at camp.

I'm not sure he's only here to be Vince insurance.

 

[goldenaleus]

But he's been taking quite a lot of snaps at DE and with the depth, it's not like we don't have "proper" DE's at back-up who could fill in at camp.

I'm not sure he's only here to be Vince insurance.

Agree with your statement.

 

[farn]

Kevin, welcome to the jacuzzi of the NFL. Come on in, the water's real nice.

 

[BPF]

I agree with all your comments, except those regarding Brace.

Brace will not be playing DE for the patriots. I think Banta-Cain is more likely. So is Carter and he isn't even signed yet. Brace would be the slowest DE in the entire league.

In the Pats 3-4, DE's need to be stout. Speed has nothing to do with playing the position in this defense. DE's need to be able to hold their place without being pused around and allow the LBs to make plays. TBC can rush the passer on 3rd down but he's not playing DE in this defense. Carter can play the position of course but so can Brace.

 

[mgteich]

It is not a plus to be the slowest defensive end in the entire league.

Would you really want Brace coming in for Seymour or Warren? Are they the slowest in the league. Of course the DE's #1 job is control of space, but guys like Seymour do much more.

In the Pats 3-4, DE's need to be stout. Speed has nothing to do with playing the position in this defense. DE's need to be able to hold their place without being pused around and allow the LBs to make plays. TBC can rush the passer on 3rd down but he's not playing DE in this defense. Carter can play the position of course but so can Brace.

 

[spacecrime]

Well, I think Green is in danger, and I understand that cap. That 2mill salary could make a big difference.

Yes, but you are the first person to say Green should be cut to save $2 mil.

Every other post (and there have been dozens) say he isn't worth $5 mil.

I'm sure that if BB finds a better player out there for $2 mil or less a year, he will pay that guy and cut Green.

The key will be finding that DE. Are you saying that Burgess is that guy? TBC?

 

[Deus Irae]

It is not a plus to be the slowest defensive end in the entire league.

Would you really want Brace coming in for Seymour or Warren? Are they the slowest in the league. Of course the DE's #1 job is control of space, but guys like Seymour do much more.

People such as yourself keep making this "slowest defensive end in the league" type of argument. That's not necessarily accurate. He had the slowest measurables at the combine. That doesn't mean that he'd be the slowest on the field.

I'm not saying you're right or wrong. However, the Patriots have been playing him at end, according to reports, and they may see his 'game speed' to be higher than you seem to think it.

 

[spacecrime]

It is not a plus to be the slowest defensive end in the entire league.

Being too slow, too big, too small, too whatever is not a negative in an of itself. Being ineffective because you are slow is a problem. You can be small/slow/whatever and it won't matter as long as you are effective and productive.

 

[reflexblue]

How quick is his first step? What was Braces 10 yards time? Because in most cases thats all he'll need to run, 10 yards.

 

[mgteich]

Andy can answer for himself, but LeKevin Smith was arguably better last year than Green. Carter could also replace Green. I see the team making a long-term commitment to Smith long before Green. Our primary backups could be Brace, Wright and Smith. I favor keeping seven this year, but would rather have Carter than Green. We may need all the above if Warren goes on PUP or IR.

Yes, but you are the first person to say Green should be cut to save $2 mil.

Every other post (and there have been dozens) say he isn't worth $5 mil.

I'm sure that if BB finds a better player out there for $2 mil or less a year, he will pay that guy and cut Green.

The key will be finding that DE. Are you saying that Burgess is that guy? TBC?

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I agree with all your comments, except those regarding Brace.

Brace will not be playing DE for the patriots. I think Banta-Cain is more likely. So is Carter and he isn't even signed yet. Brace would be the slowest DE in the entire league.

you have to look at who the pats are playing.......there's aren't that many pass-happy teams on their schedule......there are many instances where brace could be in there as a DE bulking the team up versus the run

 

[VJCPatriot]

80% chance? But I don't see any reports of a Kevin Carter signing yet. Does this 35 year old DE have anything left in the tank? The Pats were said to have hosted him on Tuesday.
http://www.cbssports.com/nfl/story/12018509

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Yes, but you are the first person to say Green should be cut to save $2 mil.

Every other post (and there have been dozens) say he isn't worth $5 mil.

I'm sure that if BB finds a better player out there for $2 mil or less a year, he will pay that guy and cut Green.

The key will be finding that DE. Are you saying that Burgess is that guy? TBC?

Green sucks and has been "spotty, at best" for several years now, haven't you been reading the experts? Green has moved behind Wright because Wright played ahead of Green at LDE (Ty Warren's slot) and NT (Vince Wilfork's slot) while Green was also struggling with an injury. Pity Green only had 7.5 sacks three seasons ago, or 6.5 sacks two seasons ago, he slid to 2 sacks last season while playing injured - he's "a witch, burn him!" Funny, if we were to tally up the percentage of their career Green and Wright played at the three base positions, I'd think we'd note a trend for Green to play behind Sey more often and Wright behind Warren more often, with a more equal split at NT - though Wright has been the primary back-up there when he's healthy. Ah well, as least we are assured there will be a nice Louisiana Bar-B-Q soon.

Db - Miguel is the reason any of us have cap data to argue over. You correctly point out that Miguel does not know the date of the projected roster bonus and he is speculating based on his sources that Green reached several escalators that make that bonus possible...but since he is our acknowledged lead capologist, and (based on his tracking of these issues) he has suggested the most likely time frame for paying the roster bonus, I'll need you to provide a reliable source who contradicts Miguel's semi-professional opinion (nothing personal, but your speculation doesn't carry the same weight even though you are better than I at dissecting cap issues).