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PFT: Cleo Lemon visited Pats on Friday, close to signing - Tom Malone waived


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Squeeze that LEMON!
 
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Can he still predict the future and talk to spirits from beyond the grave? :cool:

Personally, I would take any of O'Connell, Gutz, and/or Hoyer over Lemon.
 
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If they are gonna sign another QB, I'd much rather them sign Brian Griese or even Andrew Walter than Lemon. Lemon is awful.
 
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If they are gonna sign another QB, I'd much rather them sign Brian Griese or even Andrew Walter than Lemon. Lemon is awful.

Quick, go tell BB before they do something they'll regret.
 
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I don't think Lemon is awful, I think he has some nice qualities as a player. He has ok size at 6-2, 215 and he seems fairly athletic. He also seems to have a strong arm. He's reportedly a smart player who can read coverages. People are probably thinking of his days in Miami but that team had no talent at all on offense, the one guy they did got hurt -- Brown. I remember the OL was terrible and he looked good despite that by moving well in the pocket.
 
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I don't think Lemon is awful, I think he has some nice qualities as a player. He has ok size at 6-2, 215 and he seems fairly athletic. He also seems to have a strong arm. He's reportedly a smart player who can read coverages. People are probably thinking of his days in Miami but that team had no talent at all on offense, the one guy they did got hurt -- Brown. I remember the OL was terrible and he looked good despite that by moving well in the pocket.
Concur, I wonder if he can play some WR too?
 
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I don't think Lemon is awful, I think he has some nice qualities as a player. He has ok size at 6-2, 215 and he seems fairly athletic. He also seems to have a strong arm. He's reportedly a smart player who can read coverages. People are probably thinking of his days in Miami but that team had no talent at all on offense, the one guy they did got hurt -- Brown. I remember the OL was terrible and he looked good despite that by moving well in the pocket.

Lemon is what BB looks for in QB. Which is first and foremost he won't cost you the game.

Lemon has a 1.8 int %. How low is that? Matt Cassel 2.3% Peyton Manning 2.8%. Favre's was 3.3%. Tom Brady 2.4%.
 
Well, at least Lemon still has a zest for football..... :rolleyes:
 
From the little I've seen of him, he was an adequate quarterback, and like others have said, he's safe with the ball. I think it's a pretty solid signing for the Pats.
 
Don't tell me we just bought a friggen lemon. :rolleyes:

Does MA have a "Lemon Law"?
 
Re: PFT: Cleo Lemon visited Pats on Friday

Lemon is what BB looks for in QB. Which is first and foremost he won't cost you the game.

Lemon has a 1.8 int %. How low is that? Matt Cassel 2.3% Peyton Manning 2.8%. Favre's was 3.3%. Tom Brady 2.4%.
Unfortunately, his TD ratio isn't much different than his low INT ratio :cool:
 
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just more competition, can only help...oconnells throwing motion bugs me
 
Lemon gives the Patriots a veteran body to compete. I'm sure

his salary will be reasonable so they can cut him if he does not

pan out.
 
Weren't alot of the TC reports agog over how Malone was absolutely blasting his punts???????
 
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Unfortunately, his TD ratio isn't much different than his low INT ratio :cool:


True. But keep in mind. He didn't exactly have much talent around him. Chris Chambers was traded away. Leaving him with Booker and a rookie Ginn.

And you really aren't looking for a backup QB to win you game with 45 yard TD passes down field. Move the chains, manage the clock, protect the ball and let the rest of the team step up. Not a recipe to beat the Steelers or Colts, but if your back up QB can beat the really good teams he shouldn't be a back up QB, he should be starting somewhere. Lemon is a solid choice to care for the team if Brady was out for a few weeks, not going to win a playoff game with him, but that is not the job of a back up qb.
 
Weren't alot of the TC reports agog over how Malone was absolutely blasting his punts???????

One factor here is that Hanson is the holder for Gostkowski. The Patriots would

not want Gostkowski to suffer both the loss of his deep snapper and holder.
 
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I've always thought Lemon looked decent enough. IIRC, part of Marty's falling out in SD was when AJ Smith tossed Lemon as pretty much a throwaway part in a trade with Miami. Marty really liked him and was pissed he was traded w/o his input. FWIW anyway ...

I think he's a fine backup, esp. as a QB3. He had a couple decent games starting for the Fish a few years back. (I remember only bc I started him on my fantasy team in a pinch. :))
 
Actually, just googled it and turned up this post on a Fins board all about the Marty/Lemon fiasco:

PFT: Cleo Lemon's backer in San Diego was Schottenheimer - FinHeaven Forums

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SCHOTTENHEIMER SOUR ABOUT LEMON DEAL

Earlier this week, we reported that some members of the Chargers' organization were "livid" about the team's decision to trade third-string quarterback Cleo Lemon to the Dolphins.

As it turns out, a pretty key member of the operation didn't like it.

The head coach.

According to Jay Glazer of FOXSports.com, Marty Schottenheimer didn't know about the trade until it happened.

To make matters worse, Schottenheimer told the team that he had no idea the trade was coming -- and that he wasn't happy about the decision.

This development doesn't bode well for the relationship between Schottenheimer and G.M. A.J. "Smiling is for ******* . . . and *****" Smith. Nor should it.

Really, why in the hell would Smith send a guy packing without at least giving the coach a head's up? Whatever the excuse, the G.M. failed to give the head coach basic respect.

And that's not good. It's a sign of a power struggle in the organization, and it surely will cause the players and staff to push their loyalties in one direction or the other.

Of course, Schottenheimer didn't make things any better by undermining Smith in front of the team.

From what we've heard, the Lemon trade has its roots in a tug-o-war between Smith and Schottenheimer regarding former backup Doug Flutie and Lemon. Flutie was Smith's guy, and Lemon was Schottenheimer's guy. The team kept four quarterbacks a year ago primarily because the head coach wanted to keep Lemon around.

So the decision of Smith to ship to South Florida without telling Schottenheimer is even more of a slap in the head coach's face than it might appear at first glance.

The other problem here is that, if Smith is willing to trade Lemon behind Schottenheimer's back, the coach and the team now likely will waste mental and emotional energy worrying about what else Smith is doing.

Marty was on thin ice before last year's sudden resurgence, and he was the coach before Smith inherited the G.M. gig when John Butler died. Our guess, then, is that Smith's next goal is to hire his own head coach.

To get there, however, the one who's already there needs to clear out. And Smith's ability to move Lemon without Schottenheimer's knowledge or input suggests that A.J. is in position to make it happen, if/when he chooses to do so.
Also, Jay Glazer's original report can be seen here:

http://msn.foxsports.com/nfl/story/5017814

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Marty sour on lemon deal: Keep an eye on the relationship between Chargers GM A.J. Smith and Chargers head coach Marty Schottenheimer. Chargers players say that this week, Schottenheimer addressed the team in a meeting  beginning with news to the entire squad that he had no idea about the Cleo Lemon trade. Schottenheimer informed the team that the deal was done without his knowledge, and the coach was clearly not happy about it.

Lemon isn't a big name but was very well liked inside that locker room.
PFT had originally reported that one of their sources told them that there were some folks within the Chargers organization that were not happy at all about Cleo Lemon being traded for a mere 6th round pick plus AJ Feeley. I asked Florio how solid he was on that source being right and he gave him an A- as opposed to the A+++ of the source that told him that Miami had been onto Lemon for months and viewed him in high regard.

Anyway, it turns out PFT was right. Lemon's backer was Schottenheimer...and I would take this news as a positive where it concerns Cleo Lemon.

The reason why all trades have to be viewed skeptically is because you have to ask the question, "Why are they trading him?" Generally the team with the player on their roster knows the player better than the team trying to trade for him, so you have to realize that when a team is trading a guy it has to be for a reason.

In this case, it would appear the coaches liked Cleo Lemon, he was well-liked in the locker room, but AJ Smith dealt him as part of a p!ssing match between Smith and Schottenheimer. Apparently, Lemon became the 4th QB on the roster last year because Schottenheimer wanted him over Flutie, and Smith wanted Flutie.

Again, this is not evidence that Cleo Lemon is GOING to be a good QB. This is merely chopping away one of the many things that cause questions about a guy.
 
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