Burgess a no-show

[TheKraftyOne]

The Raiders don't start practice until Thursday, but they had mandatory meetings Wednesday, making Burgess and Heyward-Bey officially holdouts.

Maybe the Pats will offer less and still get their man.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Rotoworld is reporting that Burgess plans to hold out because he's not happy with his current contract and his role with the team. Look for the Raiders and Pats to resume talks.

 

[Rob0729]

The problem is Al Davis is a wild card. This is a guy who could have traded Marcus Allen for a high draft pick or two but rather had him sitting on the bench not playing for the Raiders than give into his demands for a trade. The chances of Davis trading to Burgess to the Pats may hinge on if he is still bitter for looking like a fool in the Moss trade and claiming collusion.

 

[DefenseRules]

Would Burgess be a good fit in our system? I don't want the Pats to waste a draft pick on a guy that won't produce in our system. After we stole Moss from Mr. Davis, I doubt highly that he will take anything lower than a 3rd round pick.

 

[Rob0729]

Would Burgess be a good fit in our system? I don't want the Pats to waste a draft pick on a guy that won't produce in our system. After we stole Moss from Mr. Davis, I doubt highly that he will take anything lower than a 3rd round pick.

He played well when Rob Ryan employed the Patriots version of the 3-4 in Oakland, but they only played it sporatically and never switched completely to the 3-4 because they didn't have the personnel in other areas. So, the answer is probably yet. An added plus is that he knows the system at least a decent amount since Rob Ryan was his DC for a number of years.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

Would Burgess be a good fit in our system? I don't want the Pats to waste a draft pick on a guy that won't produce in our system. After we stole Moss from Mr. Davis, I doubt highly that he will take anything lower than a 3rd round pick.

And there is another issue too......

Moss wanted out of Oakland and was willing to take a pay cut to play for a team that had a shot at winning.

Burgess isn't looking for ring...he is looking for more cash. If Crazy Al isn't willing to overpay him, why the heck should the Pats?

 

[NE39]

LINK

Tops on the surprise list was the truancy of two-time Pro Bowl defensive end Derrick Burgess, who is the only player under contract who did not report for duty.

Burgess is in the final year of his contract that pays him $2 million on top of a $1.5 million roster bonus that was already paid.

This isn't about getting more money out of the Raiders. This is about getting cut or traded now so he can get out of Oakland after four losing seasons. Every day Burgess does not report, it costs him in excess of $17,000 per day, according to Home | ProFootballTalk.com.

"He is not here by choice," Cable said.

 

[farn]

H-Bey holding out ? Looks like that was a great pick for them.

 

[miDeuce]

I'd think at the very least he could be a better 3rd down pass rusher than any of the options currently on the roster.

 

[patriot lifer]

he might get hurt (injury problems)
he might not play OLB well
he might want money

what's the most in a draft pick that we're willing to trade for him? A fifth?

 

[Deus Irae]

what's the most in a draft pick that we're willing to trade for him? A fifth?

I would think a conditional pick would be the way to go at this point.

 

[Pats726]

Raiders problem..stick it to big AL

 

[jmt57]

I'm not buying the whole "Al Davis won't trade with the Pats because he's mad at New England" theory. I know about what was said with LaMont Jordan and the so-called tampering accusations (which by the way, why were there never any fines or other penalties for that?), but if Davis refuses to deal with the Pats, then how do you explain the Pats trading up to pick up Brace so the Raiders could draft Mike Mitchell (huh?), WR Louis Murphy (who?) and Stryker Sulak (future Pat?)?

Though it would be funny if a trade was made and the Pats announced the signing of Burgess and Sulak at the same press conference.

 

[Reckedtrek]

Cable said sixth-round pick Stryker Sulak was released earlier this month for no reason other than the defensive end/linebacker wasn't a good match. It was totally football related, not something Sulak did off the field.

"We just felt like the fit wasn't there," Cable said. "It is disappointing but it's not a perfect world here and you do the best you can."

Either way, when a draft pick can't make it to training camp, it's a wasted pick..."

Wow- thank god the Pats went out and actually scouted their picks before hand as opposed to picking the ones with cool names!

 

[patchick]

Wow- thank god the Pats went out and actually scouted their picks before hand as opposed to picking the ones with cool names!

What, Julian Edelman doesn't sound like a touchdown machine?

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

What, Julian Edelman doesn't sound like a touchdown machine?

In cricket maybe.

 

[DaBruinz]

I'm not buying the whole "Al Davis won't trade with the Pats because he's mad at New England" theory. I know about what was said with LaMont Jordan and the so-called tampering accusations (which by the way, why were there never any fines or other penalties for that?), but if Davis refuses to deal with the Pats, then how do you explain the Pats trading up to pick up Brace so the Raiders could draft Mike Mitchell (huh?), WR Louis Murphy (who?) and Stryker Sulak (future Pat?)?

Though it would be funny if a trade was made and the Pats announced the signing of Burgess and Sulak at the same press conference.

Just a note, if the Raiders hadn't taken Mike Mitchell when they did, There were several other teams who wanted to take him. This came out at the draft.

Louis Murphy was rated a 3rd round pick out of Florida. Not sure how well you follow the draft, but he was on some people's draft lists for the Pats.

Its ok to knock another team's drafting, but acting like they went out and just picked names out of a hat is silly.

 

[jmt57]

Just a note, if the Raiders hadn't taken Mike Mitchell when they did, There were several other teams who wanted to take him. This came out at the draft.

Louis Murphy was rated a 3rd round pick out of Florida. Not sure how well you follow the draft, but he was on some people's draft lists for the Pats.

Its ok to knock another team's drafting, but acting like they went out and just picked names out of a hat is silly.

Well, I guess we agree to disagree. Mitchell wasn't invited to go to the combine and I figured him to be about a 4th or even 5th round prospect; as I recall the consensus was that he was a reach at #40. Perhaps another team would have indeed taken him early in the second round, or perhaps that's just part of how teams bluff and spread rumors.

Murphy I agree was not a bad pick. Sulak I figured was 50-50 to either go in the last round or end up being an UDFA.

 

[Deus Irae]

Just a note, if the Raiders hadn't taken Mike Mitchell when they did, There were several other teams who wanted to take him. This came out at the draft.

I believe that rumor was dispelled, but I'm not certain my memory's clear this morning.

 

[GroganCountry]

I believe that rumor was dispelled, but I'm not certain my memory's clear this morning.

Yes, it was dispelled. After both ESPN and the NFL Network mocked the selection, the Raiders announced that they had to take Mitchell with this pick because he would have been chosen by another team w/in a few picks (I want to say Atlanta). After making those comments, the other team (again, I think it was Atlanta) said there was no truth to it.