Guregian: Wilfork to report on time

[MoLewisrocks]

"While there continues to be no substantial movement on a new contract, Vince Wilfork [stats] will not use training camp to show his displeasure.

According to a source in the Wilfork camp, the Pro Bowl nose tackle will be at Gillette Stadium in Foxboro on Thursday for double sessions when the Patriots [team stats] officially open training camp. He will not hold out and use his absence to leverage a new deal."



Patriots’ Vince Wilfork to report on time - BostonHerald.com

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

Excellent news. Worst case for Vince next year is he gets Franchised for $6M+whatever the DT Franchise tag goes up by this year. That's not a bad payday to also honor the contract you signed. I feel bad about a few little comments I made when it looked like he might hold out; sorry Vince

 

[slash83]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

Excellent news. Worst case for Vince next year is he gets Franchised for $6M+whatever the DT Franchise tag goes up by this year. That's not a bad payday to also honor the contract you signed. I feel bad about a few little comments I made when it looked like he might hold out; sorry Vince

I have no problem with vince getting tagged next year, more time for the two sides to talk; especially if BB isnt pleased with what he sees with brace. I hope the Pats dont do what they did with asante where they couldnt franchise him after the last year of his contract.

 

[Jimke]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

Excellent news. Worst case for Vince next year is he gets Franchised for $6M+whatever the DT Franchise tag goes up by this year. That's not a bad payday to also honor the contract you signed. I feel bad about a few little comments I made when it looked like he might hold out; sorry Vince

The question is whether the Patriots have made Vince a written

guarantee not to franchise him.

 

[basement zombie]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

The question is whether the Patriots have made Vince a written

guarantee not to franchise him.

I can't imagine the Pats doing that, but what do I know...has there been any report or indication that the Pats have done that in the past with other players?

 

[satz]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

if i was vince agent i will tell him to voice his displeasure till week 10. then hold out from week 10 as then his 6th year is on the books with the patriots.Now from week 10 inform that the hold out ends only when the patriots accept no tag for him to come back or sit at home to become a FA as i am sure the partiots will not sign him to a tag knowing he sat out from week 10. either way he gets his pay day. satz

 

[Jimke]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

if i was vince agent i will tell him to voice his displeasure till week 10. then hold out from week 10 as then his 6th year is on the books with the patriots.Now from week 10 inform that the hold out ends only when the patriots accept no tag for him to come back or sit at home to become a FA as i am sure the partiots will not sign him to a tag knowing he sat out from week 10. either way he gets his pay day. satz

I think an agreement not to franchise is already in place. The Patriots
did this to both Vinatieri and Samuel.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

Um...they did franchise Asante. They just agreed not to do it again in exchange for him showing up to play under the tag in 2007.

I do wish they hadn't done that since I believe they will all show up when there are several millions sitting on the table and guys saddled with the tag aren't generally the kind who require a full camp and pre season to assimilate the system.

I also believe guys can be signed between the end of the season and the start of FA if they really do want to stay. And because of the cap and the CBA situation I fully expect to see that theory tested in Vince's case. If he's so disrespected by that circumstance that he feels compelled to test the market, then he probably wasn't going to sign here whenever they tried to because he's measuring respect with $$$.

After what transpired last season Brady could be throwing a hissy over having to step back on the field with less than half of the money Matt Cassel was just guaranteed in KC left on his contract here. If Brady can roll the dice and absorb the potential risk of his far more valuable remaining career...

Seymour opened pandora's box in 2005. It emboldened some players like Branch and Asante to stand up to the team, as some in the local media love to portray it, where contracts were concerned. I believe in an attempt to mitigate that somewhat, his deal was predicated on a couple of things. He was given his $10M per with the conditions that the team could use the remaining rookie year to spread the hit and lower the average for all intents and purposes to $8M, and he agreed not to mention the words contract or money through the remaining term of the short term deal. He has held up his end in that respect. Bill is attempting to stuff old pandora back into the box here. Injuries and egos/greed are the impediments to maintaining a dynasty in the salary cap/FA era. Particularly here in NE where the continued long range presence of Belichick and Brady make maintaining one eminently possible. Bill has to deal with and manage them as best he can. Long term keeping the guys who are all in and letting go of the guys who aren't represents the best value to this system.

 

[jmt57]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

The only times I can think of off the top of my head that the Pats have agreed in writing to not franchise a player was with Leigh Bodden and Asante Samuel. They did franchise Samuel once; the agreement was to not franchise him a second time. Bodden's situation was part of this original contract negotiations.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

I can't imagine the Pats doing that, but what do I know...has there been any report or indication that the Pats have done that in the past with other players?

No, there has never been.

It was rumored/reported/assumed they offered not to franchise Adam again in exchange for his honoring his tag in 2005. But he went on record saying that was not the case and while he wanted a long term deal he would have played under the tag. For PK that is usually the case. It is also rumored that they agreed to not tag Asante in 2008 if he reported in 2007, and most assume that was the case, but they have never agreed to not tag a player still under contract. That was what Branch's idiot agent was demanding to get him into camp in 2006, and Bill chose to trade his ass instead.

They didn't need to do anything to talk Vince in, he talked himself in (or Bianca did) after gauging the reaction to his mini holdout during non mandatory OTA's... I believe Bianca manages the finances in the Wilfork clan and she knows how fast $17K a day adds up to over half a million in fines...

 

[MoLewisrocks]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

if i was vince agent i will tell him to voice his displeasure till week 10. then hold out from week 10 as then his 6th year is on the books with the patriots.Now from week 10 inform that the hold out ends only when the patriots accept no tag for him to come back or sit at home to become a FA as i am sure the partiots will not sign him to a tag knowing he sat out from week 10. either way he gets his pay day. satz

And he would finish the season on the suspended list for breach of contract and possibly not have his contract toll as a result. Not to mention make potential suitors think twice about signing a freakin' quitter... Not to mention if Brace stepped in after week 10 and this team rolled through the playoffs, Wilfork's value vs. the system would be in serious question.

You are misinterpreting the rule that states a player has until week 10 to report or he forfeits credit for a season of service. Once you've reported you can't simply walk out without facing dire consequences...

 

[satz]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

You are misinterpreting the rule that states a player has until week 10 to report or he forfeits credit for a season of service. Once you've reported you can't simply walk out without facing dire consequences...

You are looking at the wrong rule. A player who is active is on the payroll for 10 weeks is credited the season.I am not talking about the other franchise or hold out rule their he does not get paid for 10 weeks thus lossing the contract year.Here by receiving 10 paycheck vince has completed the contract per NFL.A reason a player if cut after week 10 gets paid full as he has filled his commitment.

By week 10 when vince receives his paycheck is done ,the year is offically on the book. the max the pats can do is dock his paycheck every week.
he can just say he is hurt and playless and put brace in for a few games as the starting NT.

Asante made 500k and got a 10 million dollar contract .VInce is made like 3-million with incentives .I really do not see any motivation for him to play for 6 million.

 

[Bartmac36]

It's good to see he still has a team first mentality, but I won't be that upset if they don't resign him...I think Richard Seymour is a bigger priority...

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

if i was vince agent i will tell him to voice his displeasure till week 10. then hold out from week 10 as then his 6th year is on the books with the patriots.Now from week 10 inform that the hold out ends only when the patriots accept no tag for him to come back or sit at home to become a FA as i am sure the partiots will not sign him to a tag knowing he sat out from week 10. either way he gets his pay day. satz

Do you really think antagonizing Belichick is the thing to do ? That move would do him no good, it would guarantee he'd be Franchised for 2010 and probably again in 2011. Belichick doesn't appreciate a-holes, he appreciates things being done the right way. Vince will play this year. Assuming no new deal, he will be Franchised. Then he will either be traded or will play 2010 with a promise not to be Franchised again in 2011, just like Samuel. If his goal is to get a long term deal, your idea is the worst thing he could do because Belichick won't play along unless he gets a great value deal in a trade like getting a #1 for Branch.

 

[Deus Irae]

Getting Wilfork to camp on time

 

[MoLewisrocks]

You are looking at the wrong rule. A player who is active is on the payroll for 10 weeks is credited the season.I am not talking about the other franchise or hold out rule their he does not get paid for 10 weeks thus lossing the contract year.Here by receiving 10 paycheck vince has completed the contract per NFL.A reason a player if cut after week 10 gets paid full as he has filled his commitment.

By week 10 when vince receives his paycheck is done ,the year is offically on the book. the max the pats can do is dock his paycheck every week.
he can just say he is hurt and playless and put brace in for a few games as the starting NT.

Asante made 500k and got a 10 million dollar contract .VInce is made like 3-million with incentives .I really do not see any motivation for him to play for 6 million.

A vested veteran player with more than 4 years of service who is on a roster week one is officially on the book. Gets a full seasons pay whether he's cut or plays. A player who refuses to honor his contract at any point during the season is in breach of contract. A player who fakes in season injury to advance his contract agenda is history here and would have a hard time finding employment in the UFL...

 

[satz]

Re: Guriegan: Wilfork to report on time

Do you really think antagonizing Belichick is the thing to do ? That move would do him no good, it would guarantee he'd be Franchised for 2010 and probably again in 2011. Belichick doesn't appreciate a-holes, he appreciates things being done the right way. Vince will play this year. Assuming no new deal, he will be Franchised. Then he will either be traded or will play 2010 with a promise not to be Franchised again in 2011, just like Samuel. If his goal is to get a long term deal, your idea is the worst thing he could do because Belichick won't play along unless he gets a great value deal in a trade like getting a #1 for Branch.

You are saying if he does not show up belichick will get all mad and keep franchising him and let him play under a forced franchise tag for 2 yrs even , if vince holds out all training camp and showing up only on game days .trade is not possible as any team which takes him need to agree on a deal which vince wants.

I am not suggesting this by anyway but their is a loop hole which can be exploited. do you really want a malcontent guy who does not pratice or attend training camp for 2 yrs ?.

 

[satz]

A vested veteran player with more than 4 years of service who is on a roster week one is officially on the book. Gets a full seasons pay whether he's cut or plays. A player who refuses to honor his contract at any point during the season is in breach of contract. A player who fakes in season injury to advance his contract agenda is history here and would have a hard time finding employment in the UFL...

I have to disagree .Players taking games or seasons off and not playing will not be hired. I will not go further than submit Moss. who did both and is right here. His running mate at oakland porter signed and is playing for the Jaguars.

 

[MoLewisrocks]

I have to disagree .Players taking games or seasons off and not playing will not be hired. I will not go further than submit Moss. who did both and is right here. His running mate at oakland porter signed and is playing for the Jaguars.

You cannot compare the situations or circumstances in Oakland where a epicly dysfunctional organization led to a lot of players not playing up to their individual potential. You were suggesting that a player actually opt out on a contender after week 10 to leverage his next contract. Then you modified that to his merely faking injury to force his backup into the lineup to leverage his next contract. You quit on a contender, or fake an injury here and risk your backup playing well enough on this talented a system driven team to make you replaceable at a fraction of the cost of that next deal, and you've really created a mess for yourself.

BTW you're failing to acknowledge what it took for Moss to get a new deal in NE. He had to rework his remaining deal and play for relative peanuts in a 2007 prove it year here, first. And Porter only lasted one year on his Jaguars deal...he was cut after the season and was rumored to be available for minimum if anyone beyond the idiotic Raiders is still interested. So far he has had no takers.