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P'haps, but Johnny Zzzzzz is a columnist, so is he Olney or Tomase or do you need to revisit your classifications?

Not sure. I know he writes for Fox and all, but I dont consider him a reporter (like a Olney) or a columnist (like a Bob Ryan or gasp- Steve Buckley).

Maybe this classification works- Hack;)
 
Having read a number of Czarnicki articles over the past few seasons, I'm quite comfortable with my characterization of him, defend him if you must, but his sometimes keen grasp of the obvious and more than occasional flights of idiocy place him low on the read list. I should have left him for you to post, but with Toothless and maverick4 dominating the forum I was looking for anything with a mild NEP angle.

What you fail to understand is I am not saying he is not a moron per say,nor am I saying he is a great columnist either.

What I AM saying is the 'paragraph you posted' does not qualify to me as a moronic statement,Its more of an opinion and some of us would agree with some or most of that particular quote from this man that you posted.

Now whether he has said ******ed things in the past I wouldn't know and maybe he IS a moron ...but not judging by that quote alone..understand?

If you could,provide us with some quotes or tidbits from past articles to show us how much of an idiot you say he is,Personally I have never heard of him before this thread.
 
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Not sure. I know he writes for Fox and all, but I dont consider him a reporter (like a Olney) or a columnist (like a Bob Ryan or gasp- Steve Buckley).

Maybe this classification works- Hack;)
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What you fail to understand is I am not saying he is not a moron per say,nor am I saying he is a great columnist either.

What I AM saying is the 'paragraph you posted' does not qualify to me as a moronic statement,Its more of an opinion and some of us would agree with some or most of that particular quote from this man that you posted.

Now whether he has said ******ed things in the past I wouldn't know and maybe he IS a moron ...but not judging by that quote alone..understand?

If you could,provide us with some quotes or tidbits from past articles to show us how much of an idiot you say he is,Personally I have never heard of him before this thread.


Nothing insightful. Nothing overly entertainly. Just your garden variety, ESPN-ish offering.


http://msn.foxsports.com/writer/John-Czarnecki-FOXSports.com-Senior-NFL-Writer?authorId=211
 
whatever i have gathered from reading czarnicki in the past...he is a big BB fan
 
...his sometimes keen grasp of the obvious

Exactly. He took the obvious and wrote in a ridiculous way. It might be shocking if Brady came close to duplicating his 50 TD performance; it's to be expected that it will be less than 40.

To anyone with half a clue about the NEPs, they know that Bruschi is almost retired and not the player he was. I fully expect Bruschi's time to be very limited by the end of the year as the replacements who are being groomed get more experience. It would not be a huge surprise (to me, anyway) if Bruschi announced his retirement tomorrow.

The only debatable part is the prediction that the Patriots "barely win" the AFC East. Time will tell; most publications have the Patriots easily winning the AFC East.
 
Exactly. He took the obvious and wrote in a ridiculous way. It might be shocking if Brady came close to duplicating his 50 TD performance; it's to be expected that it will be less than 40.

To anyone with half a clue about the NEPs, they know that Bruschi is almost retired and not the player he was. I fully expect Bruschi's time to be very limited by the end of the year as the replacements who are being groomed get more experience. It would not be a huge surprise (to me, anyway) if Bruschi announced his retirement tomorrow.

The only debatable part is the prediction that the Patriots "barely win" the AFC East. Time will tell; most publications have the Patriots easily winning the AFC East.

I doubt the Patirots win the East like in 07 which I think was a 6 game spread,I think 2 games would be about right.
 
I doubt the Patirots win the East like in 07 which I think was a 6 game spread,I think 2 games would be about right.

I agree and winning by 2 games would be no tragedy. I think the AFC east is getting better and better so it should be harder to win the division. Besides who cares if they barely win the division. It is like barely winning the superbowl
 
Somebody likes giving all of Box's threads one star. Probably a NEM rumpswab. I have my 23 usual suspects.
 
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Somebody likes giving all of Box's threads one star. Probably a NEM rumpswab. I have my usual suspects.
It's a badge of honor, I figure anyone giving me the pinnacle of his counting ability is showing me the utmost respect. :cool:
 
I can understand the criticism of Czarnecki's Patriots related comments. I don't read him that often and I don't feel like I'm missing anything.

One thing that I will say in his defense is that he was one of the very few who had an even-handed, non-hysterical take on Rams walkthrough taping story. While most other writers treated that phony story like it was the key to victory, Czarnecki claimed that whatever the Rams did that day was not very organized and calling it a "walkthrough" was generous. Of course, he could have said that earlier and louder after the original story broke, but at least he said something.
 
Why is he moronic?,Because he does not see your point of view?

In that regards calling someone moronic for not seeing eye to eye with you without either of you knowing the future is well.....moronic itself in a way.

In fact by the quote of his column that you added he is right - Maroney's excuses should end now that he is healthy (for now,anyway - Once he gets banged around we will see if those bones can take it)

The fact that Tedy is slowing down is something we all recognize and there is even a thread on that today on this main forum.

And I don't know what you find moronic about the defense in full transition - It has a practically new secondary with only 2 players left from 08 if I am not mistaken and we have little in pass rush right now unless Crabel or Tully steps up to help Thomas.

The defense beyond the front 3 is definately the concern of this team and I can't for the life of me see anything 'moronic' in that paragraph.

Anyone who thinks Brady will come near 50 passes is really hoping for a duplication of 2007 - This is a different team and what should be by far a more talented running attack with Taylor on board and the ball should be run MUCH more often than in 07,especially by the assumption that BB will take the ease off of Brady early in the season if possible by running the ball.
What you say is true, but this isn't what Cz said.

He says a bigger concern for the 2009 Pats than Brady's knee is whether Maroney can hold off Taylor. That is nonsense. If Taylor (or Morris) play better than Maroney, it is a good thing. If Maroney outplays Taylor & Morris, that is also a good thing. The outcome of the season in not predicated on Maroney outplaying Taylor. As long as one of the three backs do well, it doesn't matter which one.

As far as Bruschi goes, read post #1 again. And what happens if LB Tedy Bruschi retires or simply slows down? Yes, Jerod Mayo is very good, but Bruschi knows the system.
It is moronic to think that we are doomed in Bruschi doesn't play and we are forced to play Mayo. Ignore for a moment the fact that Mayo played almost every down last year, and that he is not Bruschi's backup, and realize the situation is quite the opposite. We would be in trouble in Bruschi did play a lot because Mayo wasn't in the game.

The bottom line is that New England's defense, particularly the secondary, is in full transition.

Another case of having the info, but not being able to interpret if this is an improvement or a cause for worry. At the end of last year, we were playing Hobbs and Wilhite as starting at cornerback, with Mike Richardson as the nickel. We now have Bodden, Springs, Wheately and Butler in addition to the return of Wilhite. Last year three OLBs were on IR, including A Thomas. We played Colvin and Seau heavily at LB. So how it is a negative to get the starters back? Sure one or more of these guys might not pan out, but is the fact that the defense got so much better a major CONCERN for the Pats? A bigger concern than Brady's health?

His ultimate prediction for the 2009 Patriot season is that Brady will throw for less than 50 TDs. Wow, it's a wonder he didn't go all the way out on the limb and predict we might not go 16-0 in the regular season.

The guy is just a doofus. He has all the information. He jsut cannot analyze it.


7. Does Tom Brady's return mean the Patriots win and win big?

Well, the Patriots figure to nurse Brady into playing shape this summer, but Bill Belichick has bigger concerns. Can Laurence Maroney prove he's durable enough to hold off ex-Jaguar Fred Taylor at running back? Maroney has been full of excuses the last couple of seasons, but his shoulder should finally be healthy. And what happens if LB Tedy Bruschi retires or simply slows down? Yes, Jerod Mayo is very good, but Bruschi knows the system. The bottom line is that New England's defense, particularly the secondary, is in full transition.

Czar's Prediction: The Patriots barely win the AFC East and Brady falls well short of 50 touchdown passes.
 
The guy isn't a moron for stating his opinion. However, here are my thoughts on his paragraph.
Can Laurence Maroney prove he's durable enough to hold off ex-Jaguar Fred Taylor at running back? Maroney has been full of excuses the last couple of seasons, but his shoulder should finally be healthy.
Without Maroney in the lineup, the Pats ran for 140 yards a game last season. A lot people really seem to underestimate the Pats running backs because they don't have a "star" player at the position. As long as Taylor stays healthy, Maroney won't beat him out. In fact, it really doesn't matter who starts because they'll all get their carries. I think the Pats have a very good chance of being the top rushing team in the NFL.
And what happens if LB Tedy Bruschi retires or simply slows down? Yes, Jerod Mayo is very good, but Bruschi knows the system. The bottom line is that New England's defense, particularly the secondary, is in full transition.
Czar obviously hasn't watched Bruschi over the last couple of years because he has slowed down tremendously since 2004. No matter how much Bruschi "knows the system", I take Mayo over Bruschi any day of the week. In addition, Bruschi has enough on his plate with Guyton pushing for playing time.
Czar's Prediction: The Patriots barely win the AFC East and Brady falls well short of 50 touchdown passes.
Everybody has their opinion, but I think the Pats will cruise through the AFC East this season. I'm pretty sure they'll sweep Buffalo, they may split with the Miami and they should sweep the Jets.
 
Why is he moronic?,Because he does not see your point of view?

In that regards calling someone moronic for not seeing eye to eye with you without either of you knowing the future is well.....moronic itself in a way.

In fact by the quote of his column that you added he is right - Maroney's excuses should end now that he is healthy (for now,anyway - Once he gets banged around we will see if those bones can take it)

The fact that Tedy is slowing down is something we all recognize and there is even a thread on that today on this main forum.

And I don't know what you find moronic about the defense in full transition - It has a practically new secondary with only 2 players left from 08 if I am not mistaken and we have little in pass rush right now unless Crabel or Tully steps up to help Thomas.

The defense beyond the front 3 is definately the concern of this team and I can't for the life of me see anything 'moronic' in that paragraph.

Anyone who thinks Brady will come near 50 passes is really hoping for a duplication of 2007 - This is a different team and what should be by far a more talented running attack with Taylor on board and the ball should be run MUCH more often than in 07,especially by the assumption that BB will take the ease off of Brady early in the season if possible by running the ball.

Well, that about sums it up. This board has some good football talk but man it is infested with shameless homers.
 
This wasn't meant to be a clinical diagnosis, Czarnicki's past articles have heavily prejudiced him for me, this item did nothing to encourage me to reassess him.

Fair enough; like I said, I don't follow the guy. I appreciate you posting the link.........
 
On Brady throwing 50 TDs:

Who cares? 30 TDs is a great season, and 40 TDs is a top-10 of all-time. This is like saying that Michael Phelps will not win seven gold medals next Olympics. Is it relevant at all? Bottom line is domination is domination... even if Brady falls well short of his own record, that does not mean he will not still be the best in the league.

On the defensive questions:

Point well taken. The Patriots have a lot of young, and a lot of new players. It's hard to tell how well this defense will play, but my guess is they'll be in the top half of the league, and probably the top 10. This is based on a proven track record of Bill Belichick, their system, and the fact they have the best front three in football.

On the Patriots barely winning the east:

Pathetic argument. How many times have I heard this one? How many times since 2001 has this team really surprised anyone by playing poorly? 2002 is arguably the only year that they were not contenders. Even last year with all the injuries they were arguably a top-5 team, especially by December.

I swear some analysts are just waiting for one of their "bold" predictions to come through, even if it takes 12 years.
 
Just on that 50 TD thing, most say its a pretty safe bet that he won't repeat it. Well I don't agree, its only unlikely because it was never done before but guess what Brady didn't have the targets before like Moss and Welker, and guess what else, they are both still here and we've added some talent there also and at tight end too.
 
Just on that 50 TD thing, most say its a pretty safe bet that he won't repeat it. Well I don't agree, its only unlikely because it was never done before but guess what Brady didn't have the targets before like Moss and Welker, and guess what else, they are both still here and we've added some talent there also and at tight end too.

It is certainly possible especially with maroney and Watson out of the way, and Galloway running routes, plus weapon x(edelman)
 
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