Pierre Woods as our starting OLB?

[JoeShmoe]

LMAO at this crap

Didnt you people say exactly the same about Matt Cassell as our back up QB this time lasy year?

Give the guy a chance, he might surprise you. Note also, how good was Vrabel last year? Is Woods going to be any worse, with Crable probably also getting reps?

BB had the chance to draft an OLB, more than once. He didnt. Which means he's confident in what he has

Some of you still need to get over Connor Barwin

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Some of you still need to get over Connor Barwin

Joe, show some respect. "Box" and "Mayo" just got out of the Connor Barwin rehab. I think we should give them a few weeks before we mention CBs name again

 

[condon84]

I'll reserve my judgement on Woods until I see him play a couple of games. He started a couple of games last year and although he didn't shine, I don't recall him being a liability.

 

[State]

So, based on 1 muffed fumble recovery, you feel he's not qualified to start? That's how I felt when Tom Brady threw his first interception

When Woods was playing for the Yellowbellies he was largely a non-entity, which maybe explains why he went undrafted.

When skinny Tom played for the Yellowbellies and G-d's team, Michigan State, had a huge, commanding lead when the Yellowbellies had some hack QB Drew Hanson mediocely playing...well, Tommie comes in late in the game and nearly pulls it out notwithstanding the 3 TD deficit.

I knew all about Tom Brady before you...had....a.......freakin'.............clue.

 

[State]

It's hard to take you very serious when you admit you "can't be fair to him". Next time maybe just keep that to yourself.

Why do you like Crable more than Woods?

See my post above. Pierre Woods hasn't made waves on the football field...and I've been watching him since college.

He had the body and can be quick and active. But he lacks strength, toughness (the fumble shows that--it's all about will, baby.), speed.

Need I go on? He'll struggle just being mediocre. Belichick has paradoxically failed us in his strongest suit--linebackers.

UPDATE: Oops, PJ, I forgot your valid question. Crable has superb speed (he ran down Michigan State's Javon Ringer [4.4 in the forty] on a 72-yard run in a video I once posted here, saving a certain TD) and is MUCH more of a playmaker. He might not be ready to go this season. I don't know. But he was a much bigger deal in college. The difference between the undrafted free agent (Peter Woods) and the third round (Crable), I am sure.

 

[DaBruinz]

Why does it hurt him because he agrees with me? Are you the final say when it comes to who is right or wrong? Everybody has their opinion, get over it.

Because you started this same BS argument in the other thread and were schooled there. And not just by me. Yes, everyone has their opinions. But there are such things as BIASED or unsupported opinions. State admitted that his opinion was biased. It was proven that your opinion was unsupported by facts.

Nobody is delusional because they think Woods isn't good enough to be a starter in the NFL. Just like I don't think anybody is delusional for thinking he is. He's going into his fourth season and didn't do much to convince the coaching staff in finding a role for him. In fact, the only reason he saw the field last season was because of injuries. However, he will probably get his chance to be the starter and either prove people like me wrong, or make people like me look right. If he's the starter, so be it. I just hope that somebody will be able to guard the damn TE and the underneath routes that has been haunting the Pats for the past couple of years. Finally, I hope he's the next best thing at LB, but I'm not holding my breath.

Its amazing how people like yourself scream bloody murder when people say your opinion sucks, yet are the first people to attack others opinions. See, what you forget is that I am allowed to voice MY opinion as well. And usually, when I do, I have some factual basis to support me.

Your claim that Woods hasn't done enough to get the coaching staff to find a role for him is BS. First off, the guy earned his way onto the team from being a UDFA. He's been a top special teamer since joining the team. And last year, he was the primary back-up at OLB. That, in and of itself, proves you wrong.

I realize that neither YOU nor State actually understand how the Patriots coaching staff limited both Woods and Mayo in their duties last season but there are plenty of people who recognized it. And plenty of people who recognized that Mayo, for as well as he played, still has a ton of growing to do for the position. Just like Woods does.

 

[makoute]

Isn't it wonderful that all the juvenile jackasses posted on this post. What is it that they say. "Birds of a Feather stick together.." Pierre Woods might become a good SOLB for us and these yazoos wouldn't know the difference.

Sorry I'll tale the opinions of the Coaching staff before I listen to y'all...

Well apparently the position of the coaching has been, that he's not good enough to start.

 

[Patjew]

See my post above. Pierre Woods hasn't made waves on the football field...and I've been watching him since college.

He had the body and can be quick and active. But he lacks strength, toughness (the fumble shows that--it's all about will, baby.), speed.

Need I go on? He'll struggle just being mediocre. Belichick has paradoxically failed us in his strongest suit--linebackers.

I guess what I really don't get (aside from your apparent bias) is why you like Crable. What's he done to make you like him and make you think that we should like him too?

I don't like him or dislike him. I'll try to figure that out later when I see him play a down.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

I guess what I really don't get (aside from your apparent bias) is why you like Crable. What's he done to make you like him and make you think that we should like him too?

I don't like him or dislike him. I'll try to figure that out later when I see him play a down.

c'mon PJ. Didnt you see that interception in last years first preseason game??? Crable shouldve been the starter from then on.

Actually, i think Woods, and Crable will both do well this year. Im just not going to judge them off their past.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

Belichick has paradoxically failed us in his strongest suit--linebackers.

This comment really doesnt have a leg to stand on...sorry :disagreement:

 

[DaBruinz]

When Woods was playing for the Yellowbellies he was largely a non-entity, which maybe explains why he went undrafted.

How was Woods, who was a Butkus and Nagurski award nominee in both his Junior and Senior years of college a non-entity? If I remember correctly, Woods was in the dog house and that is why he didn't get a lot of playing time. But when he did, he made an impact. You also need to be reminded that Woods played both OLB and DE for the Wolverines... two different positions in the 4-3.

When skinny Tom played for the Yellowbellies and G-d's team, Michigan State, had a huge, commanding lead when the Yellowbellies had some hack QB Drew Hanson mediocely playing...well, Tommie comes in late in the game and nearly pulls it out notwithstanding the 3 TD deficit.

I knew all about Tom Brady before you...had....a.......freakin'.............clue.

How do you know that? You don't because your a clueless person spewing BS again. There were a lot of people who were high on Brady when he was coming out of school because many people saw how he got jerked around by the Wolverine Alumni and the dumb coach.

 

[PatsBoy12]

I think this "look at what a good job Pittsburgh does drafting linebackers" theory is starting to get blown out of proportion. This decade the Steelers have drafted ten linebackers, including six in the first four rounds. I would certainly hope and expect that any team that uses so many draft picks on one position (or four positions, depending on your point of view) end up with a few good players from that group.

The only thing I'll add regarding this is it's funny how everyone is quick to point out Pittsburgh success at drafting LB's (and they have done well), but we're the team with the most SB wins and appearances, AFCCG wins and appearances, and the only team to finish a 16-0 regular season. Those are all accomplishments with a so-called subpar linebacking corp. I'll take that anyday. Maybe Pittsburgh should stop drafting so many great linebackers and start to focus on the offensive line because Ben gets beat up every damn season. If he wasn't a scrambling QB, it would pretty much be another David Carr in Houston scenario.

Certainly, everybody has a right to feel a certain way about Woods, Crable, Belichicks apparent lack of LB knowledge, etc., but BB sees these guys everyday. We don't.

 

[DaBruinz]

Well apparently the position of the coaching has been, that he's not good enough to start.

Or that while he's good enough to start, there was someone better in front of him.

Just because there is someone better in front of you doesn't mean you stink or that you aren't good enough.

 

[BradyManny]

This means that the team won't have 11 Pro Bowlers on defense! That's never happened before in the history of the world. Whatever will we do?

Very well put.

I'm not sure when exactly a portion of the fanbase began to expect 22 Pro Bowlers on this team...

 

[State]

How do you know that? You don't because your a clueless person spewing BS again. There were a lot of people who were high on Brady when he was coming out of school because many people saw how he got jerked around by the Wolverine Alumni and the dumb coach.

Here you go, pilgrim. This game was played in the fall of 1999 in Spartan Stadium, East Lansing, Mich. Before you had even heard of Tom Brady. Spartans Remain Undefeated With 34-31 Win Over Michigan

Brady played the first and fourth quarters and led a furious comeback that fell short. The highly touted Drew Hanson played the rest of the game. Thankfully for us.

Never doubt me again, or I'll have to do something that may make your mother cry.

 

[State]

Wow, a panicky thread on Linebackers, who'd a thunk it? :yeeha:

Wrong. All I'm saying is don't waste your time with Woods when Crable's available. Woods sucks. That's not panicky. That's reality. Get over it.

 

[State]

That was a fumble recovery. If you recover the ball on the ground, and no one is around you, you have possession. As soon as the defender touched him, he was down. Bad call by the refs.

And even worse NO CHALLENGE by Belichick, one of many mistakes BB made that game.

Don't get me started, man. You're absolutely correct. I can't get drunk today. Mustn't do it. No.

All right, where's the vodka. Isn't there an Absolut Vodka?

 

[State]

Nice analysis. Going with Woods-Crable rotation might not be the worst thing to happen, just as the Bruschi-Guyton rotation seems to be okay. Sure, a three-down guy would be nice but reality is every team is going to make a few concessions in their starting lineup due to the salary cap. There are going to be teams that will start an offensive lineman that is a very good pass defender but not a very good run blocker, for example. And while opponents may pass on first down with Woods in the game, or run on third down with Crable in there, the Pats coaching staff should still be able to put the defense in a position to succeed.

There will be times when the opponents execute and the Pats don't, but as long as the Patriots win the last game of the year all that will be forgotten.

Nice job. I agree with this. It's clear Woods ain't going to be a feared QB sacker. Crable was designed in a jar for that.

Some people assume Belichick can't make mistakes. He has and he will. Like not challenging the SB fumble recovery by Woods. Clearly a brain fart of the highest magnitude.

I've made plenty of my share.

But it's sad that this team allows inferior teams to win SBs because our slow, geriatric LBers are waddling around with walkers, and subpar TE's and WR's make big plays on us in the fourth quarter to win games.

I'm tired of it. Thank goodness Mayo was there for us. That was a great move--I said so at the time.

We will not win the SB this year if either he, Mayo, or Brady go down. Without Mayo our defense may be doomed.

 

[tombonneau]

Isn't it wonderful that all the juvenile jackasses posted on this post. What is it that they say. "Birds of a Feather stick together.." Pierre Woods might become a good SOLB for us and these yazoos wouldn't know the difference.

Sorry I'll tale the opinions of the Coaching staff before I listen to y'all...

Well, considering BB has been sniffing around and kicking the tires of every starting caliber 3-4 OLB (and even some 4-3 DEs), that tells me a lot about what he thinks about one of the starting OLB spots.

And I don't buy the "It's called depth" routine. If he had landed Ellis or ends up getting Burgess, they'd be starting. We all know that.

Right now, Pierre Woods is the worst starting player on the NEP. Not sure there is any other way around it. What is wrong with someone questioning this and discussing options about upgrading?

And just because someone is questioning the organization & BB, please stop with the straw man "We should just fire BB" posts.

 

[FreeTedWilliams]

So, based on 1 muffed fumble recovery, you feel he's not qualified to start? That's how I felt when Tom Brady threw his first interception

Watch some old games and single in on him, Woods GETS BLOWN OFF THE LINE OF SCRIMMAGE with great regularity, he can not get to the QB, he can not stop the run, and yes, he can not hold onto a fumble.......

If Woods is the starting OLB, or even in a rotation, this team is hurtin...

I can only assume with the trade of Vrabel, that BB is convinced that Crable can do the job.