OT: Stallworth to enter guilty plea for DUI

[strongside]

Florio mentioned this on the PFT piece but it really does show how absurd the Michael Vick penalty was. If Vick has to now sit out 4 games it will only add to this inbalence.

 

[patchick]

Rather bizarre. He pays off the family and somehow that allows him to plead guility and yet the guilty plea is not considered a conviction. A conviction would have require a mandatory 4-year sentence. Somehow or another I think a few people not in the victim's family also got paid.

I'm no expert, but it sounds to me like simply a way to work out an old-fashioned plea bargain in the new-fangled world of mandatory sentencing laws.

 

[Clonamery]

Florio mentioned this on the PFT piece but it really does show how absurd the Michael Vick penalty was. If Vick has to now sit out 4 games it will only add to this inbalence.

Vick's not sitting out.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

>There's some questions I have to ask. They're a little personal. Have you ever been convicted of a felony or a misdemeanour?

-That's robbery, rape, car theft, that sort of thing?

>Yeah

- Convicted?

>Yeah

- No. Never convicted.



(Stripes, 1981)

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

murdering a human being -- 1 month in jail

abusing a mutt -- 22 months in jail

realizing our criminal justice system is ******* joke, that values the life of a dog more than people -- priceless.

 

[Deus Irae]

murdering a human being -- 1 month in jail

abusing a mutt -- 22 months in jail

realizing our criminal justice system is ******* joke, that values the life of a dog more than people -- priceless.

Indeed..... two ridiculously stupid laws that people have not only passed but defended.

Then again, this is the country that had a state essentially give pigs civil rights.

 

[nashvillepatsfan]

murdering a human being -- 1 month in jail

abusing a mutt -- 22 months in jail

realizing our criminal justice system is ******* joke, that values the life of a dog more than people -- priceless.

ummmmm, one was premeditated, and the other was an ACCIDENT. Like no one here has ever done something stupid, that couldve hurt someone else. F'in Hypocrites

 

[patchick]

Florio mentioned this on the PFT piece but it really does show how absurd the Michael Vick penalty was. If Vick has to now sit out 4 games it will only add to this inbalence.

murdering a human being -- 1 month in jail

abusing a mutt -- 22 months in jail

realizing our criminal justice system is ******* joke, that values the life of a dog more than people -- priceless.

I'm not saying either penalty is right or wrong, but you're doing your entire assessment of the crimes based on the severity of outcome. There's a lot more to it, including intent, ongoing patterns of behavior, coverups, etc. Stallworth was tragically irresponsible to drive intoxicated, but what happened was still a blink-of-an-eye accident. Vick ran an organized criminal conspiracy for years.

 

[letekro]

recognizing the difference between an ongoing, multiyear conspiracy and commission of a violent felony and an accident -- priceless.

Fixed it for you.

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

what happened was still a blink-of-an-eye accident.

a blink-of-an-eye
a flash of the lights
a few more blinks-of-an-eye
nary a tap on the brakes...
then BAM.

Not exactly premeditated, but it's not like there was not plenty of time for him to do the right thing, if not intoxicated. I think 30 days is a joke, and whomever passed the laws for mandatory 4-year terms for convicted DUI manslaughter must be really ticked (though 4 years may be a little harsh).

I'm not making any comparisons to Vick at all. I just think that Stallworth's multimillion dollar payout allowed a way around the justice system, and that stinks.

 

[SyN65]

He's only serving 30 days. Which is total BS.

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I'm not saying either penalty is right or wrong, but you're doing your entire assessment of the crimes based on the severity of outcome. There's a lot more to it, including intent, ongoing patterns of behavior, coverups, etc. Stallworth was tragically irresponsible to drive intoxicated, but what happened was still a blink-of-an-eye accident. Vick ran an organized criminal conspiracy for years.

My brother-in-law (as does many people) engages in willful premediated killing of animials on a regular basis. Thing is bambi just doesn't have as good of an agent as fido so it is perfectly lawful.

Vick abused a dogs --- animials, like cows or the chicken I had for lunch. Stallworth killed a person. Vicks punishment was way too stringiant and Stallworth got a slap on the wrist.

 

[patchick]

Not exactly premeditated, but it's not like there was not plenty of time for him to do the right thing, if not intoxicated. I think 30 days is a joke, and whomever passed the laws for mandatory 4-year terms for convicted DUI manslaughter must be really ticked (though 4 years may be a little harsh).

I'm not making any comparisons to Vick at all. I just think that Stallworth's multimillion dollar payout allowed a way around the justice system, and that stinks.

Can't argue with that, 30 days for manslaughter is pretty shocking. I was just suggesting that there were too many factors different from Vick's case to boil it down to human life vs. canine life.

 

[patchick]

My brother-in-law (as does many people) engages in willful premediated killing of animials on a regular basis. Thing is bambi just doesn't have as good of an agent as fido so it is perfectly lawful.

Vick abused a dogs --- animials, like cows or the chicken I had for lunch. Stallworth killed a person. Vicks punishment was way too stringiant and Stallworth got a slap on the wrist.

Again, Vick did not serve his time based on animal abuse. He faced wide-ranging state and federal charges involving gambling, conspiracy and racketeering.

 

[letekro]

He's only serving 30 days. Which is total BS.

Better than 0 days, which is what he would have served had this gone to trial. None of us know the facts in possession of the prosecutor, but it is clear that they were worried that they would not be able to show a causal link between the intoxication and the accident, which is a required element of the crime. In other words, as many of us have been saying, this seems like an accident that would've happened whether Stallworth was drunk or not.

Do you guys really think that prosecutors do favors for defendants? They look at a case, the likelihood of winning (which here was small), the estimated resources needed to prosecute it (which here may have been great given the criminal defense team and experts that Stallorth would have had at his disposal), and political considerations (if this has been a 5 year old girl you can bet there would have been a trial due to public outcry). These considerations in this case resulted in a favorable plea for Stallworth. Get over it.

 

[patchick]

None of us know the facts in possession of the prosecutor, but it is clear that they were worried that they would not be able to show a causal link between the intoxication and the accident, which is a required element of the crime.

And that's what plea bargains are all about, reducing risk on both sides. Still, 30 days -- just 2% of the mandatory sentence if convicted -- is pretty darned light.

 

[letekro]

And that's what plea bargains are all about, reducing risk on both sides. Still, 30 days -- just 2% of the mandatory sentence if convicted -- is pretty darned light.

My point is that it's darned light because there was just a 2% chance of conviction if carried through to trial.

 

[rabthepat]

Wowza...too bad one of the victims relatives doesn't get drunk and run Stallworth over. For only 30 days punishment I would do it if it were my brother he killed.

 

[Pujo]

My brother-in-law (as does many people) engages in willful premediated killing of animials on a regular basis. Thing is bambi just doesn't have as good of an agent as fido so it is perfectly lawful.

Vick abused a dogs --- animials, like cows or the chicken I had for lunch. Stallworth killed a person. Vicks punishment was way too stringiant and Stallworth got a slap on the wrist.

If you take bambi and slam her into a wall, or drown her, you're going to have issues with Johnny Law. Just because society has decided that hunting and raising animals is OK doesn't mean that you can do anything you want to them.

 

[Kontradiction]

Wowza...too bad one of the victims relatives doesn't get drunk and run Stallworth over. For only 30 days punishment I would do it if it were my brother he killed.

Same here...