Tom Brady Was the Most-Hit QB in the League, from 2006-2007

[maverick4]

Pressure on Pats' O-line to protect rebuilt Brady - AFC East - ESPN

QB's who were the most hit in 2006 and in 2007, totals:

Tom Brady Patriots 86
Carson Palmer Bengals 86
Brett Favre Packers 78
Kurt Warner Cardinals 72
Steve McNair Ravens 70

This was clear to anyone who regularly watched the Pats that Brady pre-injury was regularly taking a beating on the field. With Brady coming back from major knee injury, reducing the hits will be even more important. Hopefully our new coordinator won't be as negligent with the minimal protection and obsessed with repeated spread passing formations.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Hey, check it out guys. maverick found a new angle to go after McDaniels on.

Seriously, do you post about anything else? Did McDaniels run over your dog? Did he steal your wife?

 

[WelshPat]

Am i the only one who noticed that all of the QB's mentioned are pretty good?

and as that spread offense was the greatest offense in NFL history it is tough to bash

 

[maverick4]

This thread isn't about McDaniels. It's about protecting our QB, who was hit the most in the league the last two full seasons he played.

But since you brought it up, I'm extremely happy, for one, that McKid is gone.

 

[Dirk3601215]

honestly, eveyone knows that this line is mediocre. its brady who makes these guys look like pro bowlers. i mean light a pro bowler? cmon, he is average. mankins is decent but he is not that talented and he likes to play his worst in the biggest games of the year. koppen is a good technician but mangold, saturday, gurode, and kreutz are better.

 

[satz]

This stat is so wrong. what you need is number drop backs and hits as a percentage.

a team like a ravens who hardly throw the ball look like have a nfl leading OL with such a stat.

the only thing the off Coordinator do is run a ravens offence like 20 throws and 40 runs.

 

[maverick4]

This stat is so wrong. what you need is number drop backs and hits as a percentage.

The stat isn't a measure of who is the best pass-blocking O-Line.

It measures which QB's have been hit the most.

Our QB was hit the most his last two full seasons of play.
He is coming off major knee surgery to repair his leg in going the wrong direction.

We can't continue the same offense where Brady gets killed all the time.

 

[Deus Irae]

Pressure on Pats' O-line to protect rebuilt Brady - AFC East - ESPN

QB's who were the most hit in 2006 and in 2007, totals:

Tom Brady Patriots 86
Carson Palmer Bengals 86
Brett Favre Packers 78
Kurt Warner Cardinals 72
Steve McNair Ravens 70

This was clear to anyone who regularly watched the Pats. Hopefully our new coordinator won't be as negligent with the minimal protection and obsession with repeated spread passing formations.

And what is the ratio of hit/pass, since that's a far more important statistic? Well, let's take a look, shall we?

Brady: 86 hits in 1095 attempts
Palmer: 86 hits in 1094 attempts
Warner: 72 hits in 619 attempts
McNair: 70 hits in 673 attempts
Favre: 78 hits in 1148 attempts

So, in other words, the only quarterback who was really getting popped less than Brady from this group was Favre (Brady and Palmer were getting hit at essentially the same rate), who's also the most mobile of the group. A misleading stat, which is dependent upon all sorts of factors that were ignored in a pathetic attempt to make a point, doesn't even do a good job of making that point. Also, notice this article about the Blitz....

Brady is currently setting the pace for the group with a 152.74 passer rating and an 80 percent completion rate against the blitz while Manning, at 132.71, has completed 70 percent of his passes. Romo's 60 percent isn't much higher than the NFL average of 56.8 percent against the blitz, but he's nipping at Manning's heels with a 129.06 rating and has an impressive 20.8 yards per completion average when he's connecting with his receivers. Schaub's lagging a bit behind the top three at 116.93, but his 65.6 percent completion rate and the fact that he's 11 passer rating points ahead of the next highest-rated quarterback -- San Diego's Philip Rivers -- merited a mention with the top trio.

Also worthy of note is that while Brady has faced 51 blitzes so far this year, teams appear to have all but given up on trying to blitz Manning. Against a league average of 46 blitzes per team, Manning has only faced 20 blitzes even though the Colts have played five games and are just now entering their bye week.

Scout.com: Who's Most Effective Against the Blitz?

Just into October, Brady was facing more blitzes than the average QB, and was thriving against it, hits or no hits.

Thanks for throwing out this red herring! It was delicious.

Edit: Palmer was the one with 1095 attempts, while Brady had 1094. I mistakenly flipped them. It changes nothing, really, as it's statistically insignificant, but it still needed to be pointed out for accuracy.

 

[Deus Irae]

This thread isn't about McDaniels. It's about protecting our QB, who was hit the most in the league the last two full seasons he played.

But since you brought it up, I'm extremely happy, for one, that McKid is gone.

Hopefully our new coordinator won't be as negligent with the minimal protection and obsession with repeated spread passing formations.

Right, it's not about McDaniels.

 

[maverick4]

And what is the ratio of hit/pass, since that's a far more important statistic?

A misleading stat,

Also, notice this article about the Blitz....

Not surprised you can't understand the thread, since you've had problems in the past understanding arguments others put forth.

I'm not using that stat to figure out who has the best blocking or who is the best o-line at passing. That stat is very straight forward and clear: Brady was hit the most his two most recent seasons before injury.

The fact you then bring up Brady's QB rating during blitzes, shows you don't understand (again) the main point, which is that we have a QB coming off major injury and surgery, who prior to injury was already getting hit the most.

 

[Kontradiction]

Not surprised you can't understand the thread, since you've had problems in the past understanding arguments others put forth.

I'm not using that stat to figure out who has the best blocking or who is the best o-line at passing. That stat is very straight forward and clear: Brady was hit the most his two most recent seasons before injury.

The fact you then bring up Brady's QB rating during blitzes, shows you don't understand (again) the main point, which is that we have a QB coming off major injury and surgery, who prior to injury was already getting hit the most.

And he's saying that QBs that drop back the most usually get hit the most. I agree with that stance even though I still think that the left side of the line (particularly at the tackle position) still needs some help.

 

[Deus Irae]

Not surprised you can't understand the thread, since you've had problems in the past understanding arguments others put forth.

I'm not using that stat to figure out who has the best blocking or who is the best o-line at passing. That stat is very straight forward and clear: Brady was hit the most his two most recent seasons before injury.

The fact you then bring up Brady's QB rating during blitzes, shows you don't understand (again) the main point, which is that we have a QB coming off major injury and surgery, who prior to injury was already getting hit the most.

I understood the thread perfectly well, as you must know. You took a poorly researched article which used a misleading statistic. In the process, you fired off a shot at McDaniels. Furthermore, the article was about the offensive line, yet you made it into something about the offensive coordinator.

There's really nothing about your post that wasn't completely transparent.

By the way, what was the average amount of time each NFL QB had to throw? What QB threw the ball away the most/fewest times? What QB went deep the most/fewest times? Which QBs can call their own plays in the huddle if they want to override the O.C.? Which QBs can set their own protection?

Again, completely transparent.

 

[JSn]

I'm not using that stat to figure out who has the best blocking or who is the best o-line at passing. That stat is very straight forward and clear: Brady was hit the most his two most recent seasons before injury.

I get it. You're saying he has a slow release and we need a better QB.

 

[maverick4]

And he's saying that QBs that drop back the most usually get hit the most.

There is probably a strong correlation, true. It's still a disturbing and noteworthy stat.

Off topic but if one were to try to figure out percentages or ratios, one would need to look at hits against total pass attempts, not total snaps.

 

[Sicilian]

Not surprised you can't understand the thread, since you've had problems in the past understanding arguments others put forth.

I'm not using that stat to figure out who has the best blocking or who is the best o-line at passing. That stat is very straight forward and clear: Brady was hit the most his two most recent seasons before injury.

The fact you then bring up Brady's QB rating during blitzes, shows you don't understand (again) the main point, which is that we have a QB coming off major injury and surgery, who prior to injury was already getting hit the most.

Well see, here's the problem... it clearly wasn't the formation that was causing so many hits, as his hit/dropback ratio was very good. If you want to argue he shouldn't drop back as often, and that we should run the ball more, that is more valid. But saying it was McDaniels' spread formations that caused Brady to get hit more is simply not backed up by the real stats.

 

[maverick4]

I get it. You're saying he has a slow release and we need a better QB.

No, you don't get it (did you ever?).

Even with Brady's quick release and presence in the pocket, he was still taking the biggest beating among all QB's. Now that he's coming back from major injury, the Pats need to stop putting him in vulnerable positions to keep getting hit.

 

[Sicilian]

No, you don't get it (did you ever?).

Even with Brady's quick release and presence in the pocket, he was still taking the biggest beating among all QB's. Now that he's coming back from major injury, the Pats need to stop putting him in vulnerable positions to keep getting hit.

And again, that has nothing to do with formations, as the statistics show. It has to do with the number of times they asked him to pass, so what you really want is for us to run more.

 

[maverick4]

If you want to argue he shouldn't drop back as often, and that we should run the ball more, that is more valid. But saying it was McDaniels' spread formations that caused Brady to get hit more is simply not backed up by the real stats.

Yes, the point is we need to run the ball more, and when we do pass, we need to give more protection to our franchise QB through RB's, FB's, or TE's staying in more to pass block.

 

[maverick4]

Well see, here's the problem... it clearly wasn't the formation that was causing so many hits, as his hit/dropback ratio was very good.

Hit/dropback doesn't mean anything. An offense which scores many points, or which puts together many first downs, will have tons of drop backs (which in this case means total snaps). If one wanted to figure out how good the team is pass protecting, look at hits against pass attempts, not drop backs.

 

[JSn]

No, you don't get it (did you ever?).

Even with Brady's quick release and presence in the pocket, he was still taking the biggest beating among all QB's. Now that he's coming back from major injury, the Pats need to stop putting him in vulnerable positions to keep getting hit.

You're not great with sarcasm, are you?

The thing is, Brady will Brady. We can play safe and paranoid and render TFB average pretty quickly. The line could sue some shoring up, but I don't imagine we'll see any drastic change to that stat as the years roll on.