More on Jason Taylor

[TheBaronPatriot]

Is it Taylor's fault Rick Spielman and Randy Mueller constructed losing teams? Or that Dave Wannstedt, Cam Cameron and Nick Saban were his coaches? The Dolphins were an awful, terribly run organization for a long time; that is why they haven't won anything, not because the Hall of Fame-calibre defensive end is not a "winner."

If you're going to call Taylor a loser, say the same thing of Randy Moss.

I respectfully disagree here.
Randy/Corey... all the vets that come here for less come b/c all they care about is winning and put their egoes aside.

Taylor, can not put his ego aside in that he cares about being in Miami more than winning.

This is fine, then let him play in miami.
Im my original response I said proceed with caution with Taylor and only bring him if he gives BB his full commitment to the team.

 

[Sicilian]

I respectfully disagree here.
Randy/Corey... all the vets that come here for less come b/c all they care about is winning and put their egoes aside.

Taylor, can not put his ego aside in that he cares about being in Miami more than winning.

This is fine, then let him play in miami.
Im my original response I said proceed with caution with Taylor and only bring him if he gives BB his full commitment to the team.

All we've gotten is speculative reports from people saying he's leaning one way or another. If he goes to Miami, is it because he doesn't want to win? Miami is where his family is, and they did go 11-5 last year. Personally, I don't see how they repeat that, but in Taylor's mind you don't think he believes he can help them win even more?

People need to get over the idea that the Patriots are viewed as the only place capable of winning the Super Bowl by everyone in the league. Pats and Steelers may be the best chance, but even they don't win every year. Not choosing the Patriots doesn't mean that Taylor simply doesn't care about winning, that's absurd.

 

[Rob0729]

This is the biggest misconception going right now: Jason Taylor as Winner. What he has done to earn that title? He has never been on a team that won ANYTHING. He has REPEATEDLY shown that he lacks commitment. The Redskins just dumped him even though they spent a 2nd rounder on him the year before. The Dolphins have no interest in him. Just because Tom and he probably chased some tail once or twice together, and BB talks about him at press conferences, he is a "Winner"? I'm not so sure. IF he ends up playing this year, it will be for small dollars.

Well, by your definition, what has Randy Moss done to prove he is a winner? Or Wes Welker? What have they won? Why are they even on the team?

Taylor showed last year he didn't commit to the offseason, but hasn't shown it repeatedly. As far as we know, he has done just as much as any Patriot player currently on the roster who chooses not to train in Foxboro.

As for the Redskins dumping him, it was a cap issue and the fact that he wouldn't take a pay cut. Besides, he was a 4-3 DE in Washington not a 3-4 OLB. Two very different positions and I don't think he can be a 4-3 DE at his age anymore.

As for the Dolphins, they are discussing their interest. Even so, the Dolphins are still a team that is building for the future despite their record last year. Parcells knows that last year could very well be a fluke especially the way they won most of their games and that they may take a big step back before moving forward. Why have a guy who will be gone in a year in that scenario?

Taylor is one year removed from a 11 sack season as a 3-4 OLB and 2 years removed from a Defensive MVP, 13.5 sack season as a 3-4 OLB. I don't get why people are so adament at giving the guy a decent, but not spectacular deal and hopes that he can be 3/4 of what he was in 2007 which is better than anything we have on the roster to line up opposite AD. Taylor could be done, but the guy has/had far too much talent to just dismiss out of hand without looking at. Now if he does have an injury that is still lingering, that is another story.

 

[Rob0729]

I respectfully disagree here.
Randy/Corey... all the vets that come here for less come b/c all they care about is winning and put their egoes aside.

Taylor, can not put his ego aside in that he cares about being in Miami more than winning.

This is fine, then let him play in miami.
Im my original response I said proceed with caution with Taylor and only bring him if he gives BB his full commitment to the team.

Except Dillon didn't put his ego aside. Word was his ego was a problem in the lockerroom in 2005 and 2006. Randy and Corey came here because they wanted out of their crappy situations and the Pats were the best option. It wasn't like either were a free agent who only wanted to play for the Pats. Randy would have been a Packers if Ted Thompson gave into Favre's demands to sign Randy.

Also, when has Jason Taylor ever been accused of being a lockerroom cancer and not do everything that is asked of him to help the team win. The guy has been a consumate profession and strong team leader for a decade now. That is why Kraft and Belichick like the guy so much.

I wish we can go back in time and never sign Rodney Harrison. He wanted to play in San Deigo over the Patriots, but the Pats signed him anyway after San Deigo cut him. Rodney's heart has always been in San Deigo and it was proven that because he loved San Deigo over the Pats that it was a big mistake for him to come here.

If Taylor is signed, he will be just as committed here as he would be anywhere else. To think otherwise is silly. Players don't try harder because they are in one city over another. Brady grew up a 9ers fan. Do you think he would have been a better QB if he played in San Francisco over New England? Do you think he would have worked out harder?

 

[TheBaronPatriot]

First of all, Taylor is one player. One player except maybe a QB the quality of Brady cannot make enough of a difference on his own to win anything.

Second, Taylor is a fierce competitor. You cannot prove that wrong. He has always been very competitive on and off the field.

Third, which imaginary minicamp would you want Taylor to work hard at right now? Brady isn't at this imaginary minicamp either, maybe he has lost his competitive edge. We are talking missing time in May for a 12 year veteran who is already familiar with the system, lets not go overboard here.

He was not willing to be part of Redskins minicamps/OTAs etc.
I did not mean current off season stuff, but offseason programs as they occur.

Do you honestly think Taylor is familiar with BB's 3-4?

And in the locker room...
As a former athlete I would not want to play with a guy that is checking his former team's score publicly like Taylor admitted to.

 

[Rob0729]

He was not willing to be part of Redskins minicamps/OTAs etc.
I did not mean current off season stuff, but offseason programs as they occur.

Do you honestly think Taylor is familiar with BB's 3-4?

And in the locker room...
As a former athlete I would not want to play with a guy that is checking his former team's score publicly like Taylor admitted to.

First, Taylor played in a Belichick 3-4 defense (or very close to it) for two years under Nick Saban (a Belichick disciple). In fact, I think he is more aware of the Pats system than the Dolphins.

As for Taylor, he wasn't cut because he wasn't willing to take part of the minicamps or OTAs. I know Richard Seymour has skipped minicamps in the past. So has other players.

Seriously, you gotta get over this Taylor and his love of Miami crap. It is ridiculous in the NFL for players to meet the standards you state. The NFL is a mercenary sport. Players do not have loyalties to teams and teams don't have loyalties to players. You may love a team and play for them for years or even a decade and at some point they decide to cut you. Either you move on or you retire. It is the fact of the NFL and Taylor is well aware of it. The Pats have won Super Bowls with players with similiar mindsets as Taylor. You are making a big deal out of nothing.

Belichick doesn't care if Taylor would have rather been in Miami. He only cares if he will come to the Pats and play hard to get to the Super Bowl. Nothing you have suggested that he would do anything otherwise.

 

[Sicilian]

He was not willing to be part of Redskins minicamps/OTAs etc.
I did not mean current off season stuff, but offseason programs as they occur.

Do you honestly think Taylor is familiar with BB's 3-4?

And in the locker room...
As a former athlete I would not want to play with a guy that is checking his former team's score publicly like Taylor admitted to.

All this crap you're bringing up would make a great soap opera, but really doesn't matter on the field at all. Bottom line, if BB thinks Taylor can help the team, he'll bring him in. Assuming of course that Taylor chooses the Patriots over the Dolphins.

And yes, he won DPOY as a 3-4 OLB in a Nick Saban system. He will pick it up just fine. Even without that experience, how much did Junior Seau have in the Pats system before coming in? Or Rodney? Or Ted Washington? Or Keith Traylor? Veterans who know the game of football can figure it out. The pats use a complex system, but they're not splitting the atom here. It's still football, and if you know your assignments the execution is what matters.

 

[TheBaronPatriot]

Ya ya ya... the NFL is a mercenary league, we all get it.

All I'm saying is that if he comes to NE he must be committed to winning on THIS team. And if he wants to check the Miami score, do it on his own time.

And if he cares so much about Miami winning or losing, what's he going to do when we play Miami twice? Play his heart out and then feel pity for his old team? What kind of BS is that.

The other players on this team can not question his belonging.
Kyle Brady failed at that and was rejected by BB and the locker room.
If you are not accepted in the locker room you will fail on this team.

Now, I respect Taylor a lot. I want him to be signed.
But with the single caveat that he is committed to winning on the PATS.
That is all.

 

[Rob0729]

Ya ya ya... the NFL is a mercenary league, we all get it.

All I'm saying is that if he comes to NE he must be committed to winning on THIS team. And if he wants to check the Miami score, do it on his own time.

And if he cares so much about Miami winning or losing, what's he going to do when we play Miami twice? Play his heart out and then feel pity for his old team? What kind of BS is that.

The other players on this team can not question his belonging.
Kyle Brady failed at that and was rejected by BB and the locker room.
If you are not accepted in the locker room you will fail on this team.

Now, I respect Taylor a lot. I want him to be signed.
But with the single caveat that he is committed to winning on the PATS.
That is all.

Obviously,you don't get the mercenary thing or you wouldn't be making a huge deal out of this insignificant issue. I bet you if you took an off the record poll of current Patriots players where they had to be honest and the information would never come out and ask them if there is another team they would rather play for than the Patriots if given the chance, I guarantee you it wouldn't be 100% in the "NO" column. Nor would it be on any other team.

Kyle Brady failed here because he just wasn't that good anymore. It had nothing to do with how the players accepted him in the locker room.

Besides, Brady and Taylor are good friends off the field. He already has allies in the Patriots locker room.

Well, then we are in agreement. Adding Taylor would be a good move since all your doubts are answered whether you want to accept the fact or not. Taylor will not come here and not play hard because he would rather be in Miami or tank it to help Miami.

To think that Taylor would come here and dog it because this isn't Miami isn't grounded in any reality. If that was the case, why even come back. The guy is articulate, has modeled in the past, and have a good screen prescense. He could probably make as much or more through endorsement deals and being a talking head on ESPN or the NFL Network as he could get from playing for the Pats. Why come back and play somewhere he doesn't want to be if his heart isn't into it when he has other options? It makes no sense to think that he would dog it because he isn't playing in Miami especially when he has a good chance of getting the Super Bowl ring he has never gotten and still wants.

 

[BrianPat]

Taylor signing with the fins ??

Miami Dolphins: Jason Taylor to re-sign with Miami Dolphins today -- South Florida Sun-Sentinel.com

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

You know we are all Patriots fans and we hate the Dolphins but lets not be so sure Jason will retire without a championship - Lets be honest here,The Dolphins STILL won the east last year even though with Brady Playing it would probably have been a different scenerio,but nevertheless the Dolphins won the division and 11 games.

While their schedule looks much more difficult and it will be hard for them to duplicate the 08 effort,lets not say he does not want to win a championship because he wants to go back and retire as a Dolphin,he DOES has a shot,albeit a smaller shot than in NE

After all Miami is not Detroit and it is not so impossible for them to make a run at the SB to be played in their hometown this year - Its unlikely but to say they have no shot is a bit arrogant IMO

I and a lot of fans figured the Vickless Falcons would win maybe 3 games last year - showing us that we know little sometimes when it comes to forecasting the future

Any team that has Parcells as a member of its coaching staff or F.O. will ALWAYS garner my respect.

 

[letekro]

Is it Taylor's fault Rick Spielman and Randy Mueller constructed losing teams? Or that Dave Wannstedt, Cam Cameron and Nick Saban were his coaches? The Dolphins were an awful, terribly run organization for a long time; that is why they haven't won anything, not because the Hall of Fame-calibre defensive end is not a "winner."

If you're going to call Taylor a loser, say the same thing of Randy Moss.

I'm not saying he's a loser. I'm just saying there's nothing to suggest that he's a "winner" or particularly cares about "winning". Now, that he's signed in Miami, to be close to his family, and to have plenty of time off to plan his entertainment career - I think what I have been saying about him for months has been confirmed.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Julius Peppers..............................................Im not going to start a thread or anything Im just going to say his name,..........................................Julius Peppers..................Think about it......................Julius Peppers

 

[Rob0729]

You know we are all Patriots fans and we hate the Dolphins but lets not be so sure Jason will retire without a championship - Lets be honest here,The Dolphins STILL won the east last year even though with Brady Playing it would probably have been a different scenerio,but nevertheless the Dolphins won the division and 11 games.

While their schedule looks much more difficult and it will be hard for them to duplicate the 08 effort,lets not say he does not want to win a championship because he wants to go back and retire as a Dolphin,he DOES has a shot,albeit a smaller shot than in NE

After all Miami is not Detroit and it is not so impossible for them to make a run at the SB to be played in their hometown this year - Its unlikely but to say they have no shot is a bit arrogant IMO

I and a lot of fans figured the Vickless Falcons would win maybe 3 games last year - showing us that we know little sometimes when it comes to forecasting the future

Any team that has Parcells as a member of its coaching staff or F.O. will ALWAYS garner my respect.

Teams like Miami usually take a step back their second year of a new regime. Looking back at some of their games last year, you could see that they could have been .500 or worse if not for one or two plays. Seattle was a failed 2 point conversion from bringing their game into overtime. They were losing to the Raiders with less than a minute left in the game. The 49ers were close to scoring the game winning drive in the fourth. Against KC, the Chiefs still had a chance to win the game at the end even after some stupid mistakes like a late hit on the QB on an intercepted pass. The last game vs. the Jets, as bad as Favre played that game, the Jets still had a chance to win or tie the game if it was not for Favre throwing a really bad short INT.

Also, the Wildcat is not going to sneak up on anyone this season.

The Dolphins could buck the trend and continue on their success. But I think like the Jets and even the Patriots to a lesser extent last year, the Dolphins won some games with more smoke and mirrors than actually good football.

 

[Jimke]

Julius Peppers..............................................Im not going to start a thread or anything Im just going to say his name,..........................................Julius Peppers..................Think about it......................Julius Peppers

Give Julius what he wants! Twenty million a year sounds about right.

Give Carolina what they deserve. Brady, Seymour, Light, all our

first day picks.

 

[TriplecHamp]

Give Julius what he wants! Twenty million a year sounds about right.

Give Carolina what they deserve. Brady, Seymour, Light, all our

first day picks.

I hope you wernt trying to be funny :banned: Get realistic Bro when did Julius say he wanted any where near 20 mil? Carolina deserves at least 1 player weather it be Green or seymour or Watson and a couple of second rounders should get it done. Just because you dont want Julius and youd rather see the oposing QB sit in the Pocket picking our secondary apart this year dosnt mean you have to try and be funny. (-___-)

 

[Deus Irae]

I hope you wernt trying to be funny :banned: Get realistic Bro when did Julius say he wanted any where near 20 mil? Carolina deserves at least 1 player weather it be Green or seymour or Watson and a couple of second rounders should get it done. Just because you dont want Julius and youd rather see the oposing QB sit in the Pocket picking our secondary apart this year dosnt mean you have to try and be funny. (-___-)

The $39.96 million is a particularly important number because it figures to be the starting point for the guaranteed money in a long-term deal sought by Peppers’ agent/close friend Carl Carey. Given the reported seven-year, $100 million deal that Albert Haynesworth signed three weeks ago with Washington, which included $41 million in guarantees, you can quickly see where Peppers is going as he enters the eighth year of his career and is coming off a career-high 14½ sacks.

Or not going, as it were.

“You have the idea right on the contract,” said an NFL source with knowledge of what Peppers wants.

“Julius wants to be paid just like everybody else,” a source close to Peppers said. “He thinks he’s better than [Minnesota defensive end] Jared Allen or Haynesworth or [Indianapolis defensive end Dwight] Freeney. Why shouldn’t he want that? Heck, why shouldn’t he say what he’s already said. He wants to win.”

If Peppers wants out, pay cut best bet - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

 

[TriplecHamp]

If Peppers wants out, pay cut best bet - NFL - Yahoo! Sports

There’s speculation whether Peppers is willing to take less money for a “better” situation, but let’s look at this from a practical standpoint. Any guy who is looking at $36.96 million over the next two years isn’t taking $40 million for four.

Your telling me we couldnt get him to play for about $60 Million over 4 years with about 20 of that in bounuses?

 

[Deus Irae]

Your telling me we couldnt get him to play for about $60 Million over 4 years with about 20 of that in bounuses?

How is that going to fit under the cap? Goodell's not going to wave a magic wand for the Patriots.

 

[Jimke]

I hope you wernt trying to be funny :banned: Get realistic Bro when did Julius say he wanted any where near 20 mil? Carolina deserves at least 1 player weather it be Green or seymour or Watson and a couple of second rounders should get it done. Just because you dont want Julius and youd rather see the oposing QB sit in the Pocket picking our secondary apart this year dosnt mean you have to try and be funny. (-___-)

Of course, I'm being silly. I think you are too for imagining that the

Pats have the salary cap room to sign this guy. Peppers is a terrific

player who will want to be paid accordingly. I imagine that he will

expect Haynesworth money or more. How much chance do you think

the Pats would have of re-signing Mankins, Wilfork, and Seymour if

they break the bank for Peppers? Look at the trouble the Eagles brought

upon themselves by signing Asante Samuels.