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And yet almost nobody was surprised when they lost to San Diego, since the Colts won about 5 games in which they were physically dominated on both lines of scrimmage and the opposing team did multiple stupid/freaky things to hand over the game. Plus in the playoffs you've got the QB with the 7-8 career record. The Caldwell collapse is the new One and Dungy, if they even make it that far, with a coach with a career record of 26-63 as a head coach.

That San Diego game was the single greatest game ever by a punter.

The Colts addressed their defensive line by adding some serious beef.

Belichick was 36-44 as a head coach when he took over the Pats.
 
Belichick was 36-44 as a head coach when he took over the Pats.

So? Mike Krzyzewski was 38-47 in his first 3 years at Duke. Sometimes it takes awhile to turn things around. In Cleveland's case, crappy ownership that abandoned their fans ruined everything. Caldwell had 8 years to win at Wake Forest and was 26-63. That is a far cry from being near 0.500.
 
That San Diego game was the single greatest game ever by a punter.

The Colts addressed their defensive line by adding some serious beef.

Belichick was 36-44 as a head coach when he took over the Pats.

The last time the Browns won more than 10 games in a season was back in 1994. That was year 4 under Belichick. He'd led the team to back-to-back 7-9 seasons prior to that, and a 6 win season in his rookie year with the team coming off of a 3 win season.

The following year, Modell announced that he was moving the team to Baltimore and all hell broke loose. I, for one, am very glad that Modell was an idiot. It helped to shape BB into the coach he is today, and Patriots fans are 3 Super Bowl victory celebrations richer as a result.
 
The Colts won 12 games last year, including 9 in a row.

Tom Moore leaving wouldn't change a whole lot. Peyton calls the plays and they have been running the same offense for years. Very few wrinkles have been added in the last 5 years.

It's cumulative workhorse. Dungy wasn't handpicked by Polian because he was the flavor of the month in HC'ing. He was this unique individual who had a pretty firm mastery of a defense that didn't require some of the most expensive pieces in the game, he was a teacher, he was a facilitator and mentor, he had both cache and the kind of disposition and demeanor needed to keep a top heavy offensive team like the colts from fracturing, even absent his own coaching staff, and he had the capacity to get a talent like Manning to take a step back and reign in his own instincts in favor of allowing a team to form an identity around him and not just through him.

Losing him along with Harrrison, Mudd, possibly Moore while replacing him with a home grown rookie HC who seems oddly focused on tweeking the Dungy defense is a lot. I think that is why Polian took the RB in the first. Less new faces in Manning portion of the offense, hope the existing players can replicate what they've already been taught, focus on running the ball better just in case, pray Tennessee takes a step back and neither Jaxonville or Houston finally click. Dungy never had much to do with that offense beyond morally supporting it and suggesting it try to be more and balanced. Somebody has to run the practices and coach up youngsters and critique the veteran players and make decisions on the roster, and broker coaching compromises and deal with the media fallout...and that isn't Peyton's place, and if it defacto became it in the absence of Dungy, Mudd and Moore, the backlash could potentially be nasty.

Polian also already has a lot on his plate what with the overall economy, problems with the stadium, an impending uncapped year, potential labor unrest and Peyton's contract running out in 2010 (or 2012 if he doesn't opt to void which would be unusual for a Condon client). Coming off the kind of gift wrapped 12 win season you guys managed to pull off last year, this could be finally be the long anticipated beginning of the end of the Manning era Colts.

We got some issues looming too, as most teams do, but Bill has dealt with those frequently over the last decade here. Won his first Superbowl after losing his #1 drafted franchise QB in week 2, won 2 more and got to a third with his 6th round replacement, and even managed to win 11 games after losing Brady for an entire season in the first quarter of last season. He has a stronger base or overall foundation (part of which is rooted in the system) to work with than Polian has had in Indy. You guys have always pointed to that when it suits you, as well as acknowledging that Manning is the franchise in Indy. Only Manning has always required a cumbersome support system. Polian has always had a vision of what will win, but he's also not capable of successfully implementing it himself as a GM, he's needed a HC and coaching staff to do that, and he has more stringent financial limits to work with in assembling all of the above due to market size and an ownership not nearly as financially strong and savvy as the Krafts.

It may not be a disastrous season in Indy, but don't make it sound like it doesn't have that potential written all over it...
 
Mo, there is some validity to what you say, but I'm not sure what the weight of it will be. The reason that Polian took Brown is he was the highest rated player on their board. That's always been Polian's way. Couple with that he likely had the Ed Johnson re-signing in his back pocket and knew addressing the DT spot wasn't as pressing.

There is plenty of reason for optimism in Coltsland with all those coming into the season healthy (mainly Peyton and Saturday) and Polian addressing the biggest problem area on the team last year, the defensive line with some serious size.

There will probably be some bumps in the road with the departure of Dungy, but if Polian think Caldwell is the right man for the job, then so do I.
 
I think this'll be a bigger hit for the Colts than most people will initially realize.

Yeah, we're going to have a tough time surviving all of those 40 yard rushing performances in the playoffs.
 
Colts are quickly dropping into mediocrity.
Lost their coach, O-line coach, maybe their O-coordinator soon too.
Dungy won't be there to patch up the defense anymore.

They won a few games by sheer luck last year. This year they won't be as lucky.

Yeah, we're simply doomed. I'm sure Peyton Manning, Dwight Freeney, Robert Mathis, Reggie Wayne, Dallas Clark, and Anthony Gonzalez aren't going to win us games anymore.

Unless you expect Peyton Manning to have two knee surgeries again, then last year is last year.
 
Do agree that the Colts could easily been 9-7 or 8-8 last year if not for a few breaks. At least two of the games were results of fumbles returned for TDs which are flukey. Minnesota would have won if Childress didn't have Tavarous Jackson run the same bootleg play over and over again after Adrian Peterson went down.

It'll help that we actually have legit DTs this year. What would you expect to happen against Adrian Peterson with Keyunta Dawson and Eric Foster as your starting DTs? And we also now have a better LB corps with hopefully Keiaho on the bench.

And what would you expect to happen with Peyton Manning playing on one leg behind an OL missing 4 of 5 starters, going against Jared Allen and Kevin Williams in the Metrodome? That won't happen again this year as well, hopefully.
 
Two things, though:

1.) The Colts were clearly not a top team last year, for the first time in a while, and that was true even when Manning's knee looked healthy.

2.) Mudd may not be the only one leaving. You could conceivably lose your O.C., too.

We won 8 or 9 in a row to finish the season. So yes, once Manning got healthy and we made some other tweaks, we were a top team. We beat PIT in PIT, for example. We would have beat SD in SD twice in the same year had Mudd's OL not done so pathetically in short yardage situations in that game.
 
We won 8 or 9 in a row to finish the season. So yes, once Manning got healthy and we made some other tweaks, we were a top team. We beat PIT in PIT, for example. We would have beat SD in SD twice in the same year had Mudd's OL not done so pathetically in short yardage situations in that game.

You were a top team but you had a lot of holes. That loss was not Mudd's fault, San Diego always plays you tough and you got out played. Teams are going to have a field day running on your D. Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning so you should win games the way your team is built to win games...With the offense.
 
You were a top team but you had a lot of holes. That loss was not Mudd's fault, San Diego always plays you tough and you got out played. Teams are going to have a field day running on your D. Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning so you should win games the way your team is built to win games...With the offense.

It's not likely that teams will continue to run all over the Colts like last year. That issue has been addressed.
 
It's not likely that teams will continue to run all over the Colts like last year. That issue has been addressed.

With Who? Ed Johnson? Fili Moala? I see at least 6 possible 100 yard rushers on your schedule.
 
You were a top team but you had a lot of holes. That loss was not Mudd's fault, San Diego always plays you tough and you got out played. Teams are going to have a field day running on your D. Peyton Manning is Peyton Manning so you should win games the way your team is built to win games...With the offense.

We've always had holes.

But yes, had we not been so pathetic in short yardage, we win that game. Our defense played it's best game of the season when you consider the opposition. Rivers didn't do much at all against the Freeney/Mathis dominant rush (the best DE rush combination in football, bar none), and our run defense was actually solid besides the last play of the game, which was in overtime after some questionable penalties. The defense played well enough to win that game for sure when you consider field position as well. Plus, SD's offense will make some plays against anyone.

With Antonio and Ed Johnson, and Terrance Taylor; we have three young options with some talent at NT that we did not have for much of last year. We signed Antonio Johnson off of Tennessee's practice squad mid season, and he played well in that playoff game against SD. Plus, Fili Moala is a huge upgrade in talent over the DTs we had last year as well.

The days of Keyunta Dawson and Eric Foster in the starting lineup are over. Heck, they will be in a fight to get any PT, or to even make the roster.
 
With Who? Ed Johnson? Fili Moala? I see at least 6 possible 100 yard rushers on your schedule.

Also, Antonio Johnson and Terrance Taylor. Yes, they are all young players. But sometimes young players do come through. Either way, noone can argue that we don't have MUCH better options now than we did for most of last season.

Also, if we follow through on the plan to move Clint Session to WLB and Keiaho to the bench, then that's an upgrade as well. Session was one of the best players we had on defense last year on the strongside, and he should wreck more havoc on the weakside. Replacing Keiaho is addition by subtraction since he was the definition of mediocrity, especially for a WLB in the Tampa 2.
 
Colts are quickly dropping into mediocrity.
Lost their coach, O-line coach, maybe their O-coordinator soon too.
Dungy won't be there to patch up the defense anymore.

They won a few games by sheer luck last year. This year they won't be as lucky.

Not going to predict their demise until it actually happens on the field. Seems like we go through this every year, hahaha. Buncha people think that the Colts are done, then they end up going 12-4 anyways.
 
Winning games doesn't necessarily mean you're a great team, especially when you're getting the wins gift wrapped the way the Colts were last year. This is not intended as a knock on the Colts, by the way, because one could point to the Patriots of last year and come up with a solid, logical argument that paints that team as a paper tiger that couldn't play with the big boys despite winning 11 games.

The gift wrapping was in the beginning of the year, when Manning was hurt. It wasn't during the win streak, when we started playing Colts football again.
 
We've always had holes.

But yes, had we not been so pathetic in short yardage, we win that game. Our defense played it's best game of the season when you consider the opposition. Rivers didn't do much at all against the Freeney/Mathis dominant rush (the best DE rush combination in football, bar none), and our run defense was actually solid besides the last play of the game, which was in overtime after some questionable penalties. The defense played well enough to win that game for sure when you consider field position as well. Plus, SD's offense will make some plays against anyone.

With Antonio and Ed Johnson, and Terrance Taylor; we have three young options with some talent at NT that we did not have for much of last year. We signed Antonio Johnson off of Tennessee's practice squad mid season, and he played well in that playoff game against SD. Plus, Fili Moala is a huge upgrade in talent over the DTs we had last year as well.

The days of Keyunta Dawson and Eric Foster in the starting lineup are over. Heck, they will be in a fight to get any PT, or to even make the roster.

No offense, and I do think that the Colts will be good this year, but that's pretty much a textbook case of trying to talk yourself into the team that you have :p

You'll have a couple young guys step in and make significant contributions, and Peyton will take care of the rest.
 
And yet almost nobody was surprised when they lost to San Diego,

Why should they be? Last time I checked, the Chargers blew out the Pats and Jets in a couple of prime time games earlier in the season at home. They beat the Broncos by about 100 the week before. They have as much talent as just about anyone in the league. Anyone who was shocked was just an imbecile who doesn't know football.

Beating that team in SD twice within two months at night in their stadium would be tough for any team. If we weren't 32nd in the league in running, we would have managed to do that though.
 
No offense, and I do think that the Colts will be good this year, but that's pretty much a textbook case of trying to talk yourself into the team that you have :p

You'll have a couple young guys step in and make significant contributions, and Peyton will take care of the rest.

I can't really disagree with that. With that said, you've got to keep in mind though that when you've come from having two 270lb guys in Keyunta Dawson and Eric Foster as your starting DTs, almost anything is going to look like gold! :D

Moala, Ed and Antonio Johnson, and Taylor do have some talent though. They are just young.
 
We've always had holes.

But yes, had we not been so pathetic in short yardage, we win that game. Our defense played it's best game of the season when you consider the opposition. Rivers didn't do much at all against the Freeney/Mathis dominant rush (the best DE rush combination in football, bar none), and our run defense was actually solid besides the last play of the game, which was in overtime after some questionable penalties. The defense played well enough to win that game for sure when you consider field position as well. Plus, SD's offense will make some plays against anyone.

With Antonio and Ed Johnson, and Terrance Taylor; we have three young options with some talent at NT that we did not have for much of last year. We signed Antonio Johnson off of Tennessee's practice squad mid season, and he played well in that playoff game against SD. Plus, Fili Moala is a huge upgrade in talent over the DTs we had last year as well.

The days of Keyunta Dawson and Eric Foster in the starting lineup are over. Heck, they will be in a fight to get any PT, or to even make the roster.

I think if you could have wrapped Sproles up you might have won the game.;)
Anyway every team has holes, last year it was our O-line(minor), Pass Rush, and Secondary. Two problems you cannot afford to have in the NFL are O-Line and Run Defense. You have taken strides to fix the problem but IMO your going to see a lot of 100 yard rushers against your D this year. MJ-D, Chris Johnson/LenDale White, Ronnie Brown are the prime candidates for the Job.:)
 
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