Cap Money For: Taylor, Peppers or Wilfork

[mgteich]

We just traded Hobbs. The rookies will cost next to nothing since we didn't draft a first rounder. Green could be part of a deal for Peppers.

So, the needed $5M cap money is there ($7M if Peppers is the choice).

 

[Kontradiction]

No doubt, we should try our hardest to extend Wilfork. He's done an excellent job since he's been with the team and, Tom Brady aside, is the most important player/position on the team. He is the anchor of our defense. This next offseason should be about trying to get Wilfork for a price that both he and the Pats will be happy with.

 

[stevedogc]

I say extend Wilfork. But cant the Pats restucture others and still save money that way too. Seymour has a huge cap hit for 2009, if they extend him cant they get his cap number down? And is it possible to resign Wilfork and still have his 2009 cap hit around the same as it is now. Give him more of a signing bonus or something.

 

[Synovia]

So, the needed $5M cap money is there ($7M if Peppers is the choice).

There is absolutely no way that Peppers signs for $7M a year. $10+ a year is what you're looking at.

 

[mgteich]

Under current CBA rules, Wilfork's extension would require a signifcant increase in his cap hit.

While extending Seymour might be done with the same cap, he has shown less than no interest in extending.

I say extend Wilfork. But cant the Pats restucture others and still save money that way too. Seymour has a huge cap hit for 2009, if they extend him cant they get his cap number down? And is it possible to resign Wilfork and still have his 2009 cap hit around the same as it is now. Give him more of a signing bonus or something.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

If there is no new CBA next season then I probably would be all for getting Peppers now and worrying about Wilfork and Seymour later.

As one of the deeper pocketed teams, not only would the Pats have an owner willing and able to spend $ but, without a new CBA, two new features present themselves that might make it wiser to go get a player, in order to have him on your team prior to the CBA expiring, rather than worrying about extending current players who are slated to become free agents.

If I recall correctly, under no CBA agreement in place, all playoff teams are restricted to only signing a FA at the rate that they lose one. Further, each team would be allowed to restrict two eligible free agents with franchise and transition tags, rather than one.

Under such rules, and with a willing owner, it would be quite feasible to keep both Wilfork and Seymour next year while adding Peppers this year.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

While extending Seymour might be done with the same cap, he has shown less than no interest in extending.

Really? Interesting,I didn't know that,thanks. Could a lack of interest just mean he hasn't said much about it though? No idea- I'm just asking if that's possible or if it's more concrete than that.

We haven't heard much from Big Sey now that you mention it,unless I missed something buried under all the other news and speculation these last couple of months. Interesting.

 

[mgteich]

If Kraft had no interest in making money, he could indeed afford Seymour, Wilfork and Peppers at $10M each per year, with a large amount of the cash paid next year in an uncapped year.

There is no guarantee of an uncapped year.

In any case, we can do ONE of the three this year.

If there is no new CBA next season then I probably would be all for getting Peppers now and worrying about Wilfork and Seymour later.

As one of the deeper pocketed teams, not only would the Pats have an owner willing and able to spend $ but, without a new CBA, two new features present themselves that might make it wiser to go get a player, in order to have him on your team prior to the CBA expiring, rather than worrying about extending current players who are slated to become free agents.

If I recall correctly, under no CBA agreement in place, all playoff teams are restricted to only signing a FA at the rate that they lose one. Further, each team would be allowed to restrict two eligible free agents with franchise and transition tags, rather than one.

Under such rules, and with a willing owner, it would be quite feasible to keep both Wilfork and Seymour next year while adding Peppers this year.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

If Kraft had no interest in making money, he could indeed afford Seymour, Wilfork and Peppers at $10M each per year, with a large amount of the cash paid next year in an uncapped year.

There is no guarantee of an uncapped year.

In any case, we can do ONE of the three this year.

My point is Kraft, like Jerry Jones, might be expecting an uncapped year in which case he could afford to add Peppers and keep both Wilfork and Seymour and still make boatloads of money!

 

[PatsBoy12]

Extend Wilfork.

 

[mgteich]

How do you think that an uncapped year will bring more money into Kraft's hands? Or is that that you just think that he makes so much money that $20M or $30M doesn't matter to hiM?

My point is Kraft, like Jerry Jones, might be expecting an uncapped year in which case he could afford to add Peppers and keep both Wilfork and Seymour and still make boatloads of money!

 

[TheGodInAGreyHoodie]

I am up for either Taylor or Peppers. Extending Wilfork does nothing to help us get a Lombardi in 2009!

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

How do you think that an uncapped year will bring more money into Kraft's hands? Or is that that you just think that he makes so much money that $20M or $30M doesn't matter to hiM?

I highly doubt Kraft would have any problems shelling out $30M if he felt doing so would best position his team to win another super bowl or two over the next couple of seasons. I also don't believe he would need additional capitalization in order to operate as so in an uncapped NFL environment.

Do you feel otherwise?

 

[Palm Beach Pats Fan]

Spend the money on the guy who is a proven performer in your system, if the money is in line with his value, as judged by BB.

Under that criterion, the easy answer is to extend Wilfork.

 

[Canada's #1 Pats Fan]

We don't have to have $16 million to get Peppers, only the Panthers need to have that to sign him to a franchise tender. He is not coming here to be a DE, he is coming as an OLB (which is a significantly lower cap number). He is, I am assuming, aware that he has more money than he'll ever know what to do with but does not have a great shot at a ring with the Panthers.

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

We don't have to have $16 million to get Peppers, only the Panthers need to have that to sign him to a franchise tender. He is not coming here to be a DE, he is coming as an OLB (which is a significantly lower cap number). He is, I am assuming, aware that he has more money than he'll ever know what to do with but does not have a great shot at a ring with the Panthers.

EXACTLY what ive been saying this whole time!!

 

[KY Pats Fan]

Would be insane to do anything before extending Wilfork

 

[mgteich]

I do not believe that Kraft would need more capitalization. I do not believe that he would hand out $30M more than his norm in order to increase the likelihood of winning a Super Bowl or two. He has a business model and a football business model. They work. This team does not resemble the Redskins and it shouldn't.

I highly doubt Kraft would have any problems shelling out $30M if he felt doing so would best position his team to win another super bowl or two over the next couple of seasons. I also don't believe he would need additional capitalization in order to operate as so in an uncapped NFL environment.

Do you feel otherwise?

 

[Synovia]

We don't have to have $16 million to get Peppers, only the Panthers need to have that to sign him to a franchise tender.

No, but we have to have the money to give him an extension and long term deal. Which is likely to be in the 10M+ a year range.

 

[Bobs My Uncle]

I do not believe that Kraft would need more capitalization. I do not believe that he would hand out $30M more than his norm in order to increase the likelihood of winning a Super Bowl or two. He has a business model and a football business model. They work. This team does not resemble the Redskins and it shouldn't.

We don't know what Kraft would or wouldn't pay out in salaries if he weren't capped as has been the case all these years. Maybe he'd spend $50M if he were allowed too?

As for the comparison to the Redskins, it's apples and oranges. Rather than draft, nurture and then reward their own players come contract time the Redskins toss large sums of money at outside FA's with the goal of trying to assemble a winning team. We're not talking about that in this case as both Seymour and Wilfork are current and known Patriot players who would be retained and Peppers is simply the final piece of the puzzle.