Former scout: Quick Twitch Athletes Are a Must on Draft Day

[BPF]

Nice little read here:
Scout.com: Quick Twitch Athletes Are a Must on Draft Day

Quick Twitch Athletes Are a Must on Draft Day
By Tom Marino, Lead NFL Analyst
Posted Apr 11, 2009

Former scout Tom Marino surprisingly doesn’t put a great deal of credence in the bench press when evaluating potential prospects, but is firm in his belief that both the vertical and long jump tell a far different story.

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[Ochmed Jones]

Nice little read here:
Scout.com: Quick Twitch Athletes Are a Must on Draft Day

Amen! I agree 100%.

I believe that BB values quick twitch very highly for the DBs and a little bit for the WRs.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Amen! I agree 100%.

I believe that BB values quick twitch very highly for the DBs and a little bit for the WRs.

It's a very interesting list if you look through it for bigger body types.

 

[BPF]

It's a very interesting list if you look through it for bigger body types.

Certainly is, keep in mind though this is only the top 100:

Barwin, Connor DE Cincinnati 40.5
Maybin, Aaron DE Penn St 39.5
Orakpo, Brian DE Texas 39.5
Williams, Jason OB Western Illinois 39.0
Johnson, Michael DE Georgia Tech 38.5
Pribnow, Troy OB Wayne St (NE) 38.5
Capps, Cody OB St Francis (IN) 38.0
Toal, Brian IB Boston College 37.5
Walker, Derek DE Illinois 37.5
Freeman, Marcus OB Ohio St 37.0
Curry, Aaron OB Wake Forest 37.0
Follett, Zack OB California 37.0
Philistin, Dave OB Maryland 37.0
Brown, Cody DE Connecticut 36.5


O'Connell, Jake TE Miami (OH) 41.0
Cook, Jared TE So Carolina 41.0
Beckum, Travis TE Wisconsin 38.5
Miller, Zachary TE Nebraska-Omaha 37.0
Vollmer, Sebastian OT Houston 36.5

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Certainly is, keep in mind though this is only the top 100:

Yes, it's the top 100, but with only 256 players to be drafted it is an interesting cross-reference when weighing one prospect against another with equivalent grades.

 

[BPF]

Yes, it's the top 100, but with only 256 players to be drafted it is an interesting cross-reference when weighing one prospect against another with equivalent grades.

Got it but that only takes you through 3 rounds, your point is solid and why I originally posted this link.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Got it but that only takes you through 3 rounds, your point is solid and why I originally posted this link.

True, but many of these athletes will be there in the later rounds where teams may be more inclined to take a flyer on athleticism over production.

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

Using this list as a filter the Pats' first two picks will be Connor Barwin and Jared Cook. Cook would come w/ our second second rounder as I'm betting the Pats trade #34.

I'm not pyscho for a TE that high as there seems to be a number of solid TE's in this years draft but I could live with these two guys. I'd take Butler and Brown but Butler will be gone before 23 and Brown before 47. I saw Brown a number of times, he's going to really open some eyes. He would ease the pain of seeing Faulk leave.

 

[sebman2112]

That's an impressive list of 40"+ verticals for a single draft class, which leads me to another point.

Many of these players are spending a good amount of time simply training for combine specific drills with pro coaches who are teaching them how to post the best numbers possible. Some of that improved tech might translate to the football field, but a number of athletic freaks from the past few years were simply combine warriors, and got over drafted based on how impressive they performed in a t-shirt. Personally, I'm weighing how a prospect performed on the playing field throughout his college career far heavier.

Steve Slaton was among the players I really liked going into last years draft, but he got undervalued by a number outlets who claimed he wasn't fast enough, or elusive enough, and frequently his combine numbers were compared to other RB's who posted better workout numbers. However, when the dust settled, Steve finished the 2008 NFL season with 1,282 rushing yards (4.8 per carry), and 9 TD's. Not to shabby for a RB who was considered both slow and undersized.

 

[WaterfallJumper]

This author displays an embarrassing lack of understanding about "quick-twitch" muscle and how it's measured. Jumping high does not quick-twitch make. The ability to leap is directly linked to your posterior chain; heavy weight-lifting (squats, deadlifts) help you increase your jumping power. Quick-twitch muscles are simply a type of muscle fiber. While they help you fire your muscles more quickly, they don't equate to athleticism.

Anyway. Just a nitpicking detail. I'm a bit of a fitness buff, so these things interest me. I wish more football players worked out properly.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I'd take Butler and Brown but Butler will be gone before 23 and Brown before 47. I saw Brown a number of times, he's going to really open some eyes. He would ease the pain of seeing Faulk leave.

Ouch! I have the Pats taking Butler at #23. What makes you think he will be gone by then!!!!

 

[Brady'sButtBoy]

With no clear cut favorite DB other than Jenkins, and some have doubts about him, a guy with Butler's excellent measurables and solid character/leadership has a chance to go before the Pats pick and actually pretty high if a team thinks he will fill out that lanky frame a little more. Hard-nosed, fast, reliable CB's nearly six feet tall usually don't last long. that said, because Butler is lumped in with several others seen as equals - Smith, Davis, Moore - he could just as easily slide into the second. My gut says his mix of solid citizen and good numbers make him an early pick; say, in the teens.

 

[Boston Boxer]

This author displays an embarrassing lack of understanding about "quick-twitch" muscle and how it's measured. Jumping high does not quick-twitch make. The ability to leap is directly linked to your posterior chain; heavy weight-lifting (squats, deadlifts) help you increase your jumping power. Quick-twitch muscles are simply a type of muscle fiber. While they help you fire your muscles more quickly, they don't equate to athleticism.

Anyway. Just a nitpicking detail. I'm a bit of a fitness buff, so these things interest me. I wish more football players worked out properly.

i always thought the cone shuttle was a good indication of the quick twitch muscle...and BB is very interested in the cone shuttles when evaluating prospects