Are the Pats ready to deal Laurence Maroney?

[supafly]

Re: Are the New England Patriots Ready To Deal Laurence Maroney?

Ah , we might have something here Tanked! Brit says, get him more carries. That is not happening if the backs staying in front of him are healthy. His CAP hit is $700k, it's true. Jones lost $8m on T.O. and Bowlen lost $1.95 on Cutler. $700k is not a deal breaker.

O.K. Cousins, let's digest this. Maroney is a good back under the right system, and the Pats ain't it. Why on earth would you very intelligent posters want to have the kid sit behind three other backs, further diminishing his value now and he's gone in 2010 anyway.? You need to convince me about why the Pats would not take a pick or trade him. So far....you got nothing. Help me here. This kid needs to reinvent himself and it is not a sure thing he ever starts in our backfield. Some have tried to sell me on lets keep him as a kick returner. I can't see keeping a former first round choice as a returner for the sake of keeping him. Fred Taylor did not come here to sit. His carries will eat into Maroneys. Maroney will not play hurt (not that he should if he really is but he has been hurt every year). Some have said, keep him for a third down back. He has mediocre hands, Cousins. His pass blocking is not his strongest suit.

I agree Carolina is a bad fit, but AZ might not be. SS Adrian Wilson makes sense. He is 29 but should have two or three years left. He is 6' 3" and 230 lbs with 4.49 speed. He will clobber you in the Rodney way. The Cards are having big problems with trying to sign Dansby and Bolden. Wilson is up and he is an FA after this year. He is disappointed about not being on deck. The AZ fans say get something for him now. Thoughts on the Pats as a trade partner with AZ getting Wilson for Maroney and a pick?

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Yeah that sounds real good, but do you really think that AZ would part with one of the nastiest safeties in the league? Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL, why would they wanna trade him for Maroney? I doubt they part with him next yr anyway, under any circumstance. The guy is all that

 

[DW Toys]

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Yeah that sounds real good, but do you really think that AZ would part with one of the nastiest safeties in the league? Adrian Wilson is a top 3 safety in the NFL, why would they wanna trade him for Maroney? I doubt they part with him next yr anyway, under any circumstance. The guy is all that

Supafly, It would be easy if they just trade him for Maroney. I am not giving a crazy scenario. I am trying to be realistic. And yes Mo, it is a fan opinion they should move him now while they have a chance. That does sound familiar doesn't it? It's management that has to consider a realistic reappraisal of this scenario. Forget about the fans. Bad choice of reference Mo. Wilson takes a back seat to Dansby and Bolden, so there is an issue here. It would probably cost one of our seconds and Maroney. That makes sense for each team. Evan at the Super Bowl, Wilson expressed his desire to get a new contract. They have a decent back up SS who is only 25.

Who doesn't think Maroney and say #47 gets this done? Forget the fan comment. It make more sense than Peppers for Maroney. Any trade is tricky Cousin. You have to have both entities fall in love.
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[zero]

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Maybe we can trade him for Darnsby (we'd had him instead of Watson) we'll need to add picks (a 2nd I believe) but imagine this Mayo, Darnsby, Thomas and the comittee (Bruschi, Crable, Woods, Guyton, etc)

 

[DW Toys]

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Maybe we can trade him for Darnsby (we'd had him instead of Watson) we'll need to add picks (a 2nd I believe) but imagine this Mayo, Darnsby, Thomas and the comittee (Bruschi, Crable, Woods, Guyton, etc)

Cousin, some will laugh and mock you but then is it less feasible than Cutler being traded?
Mayo and Dansby would be huge, but CAP is a regard with him even more so that CAP on a safety.
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[BionicPatriot]

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Absolute crap speculation. If we can steal Peppers like that, it would be done already. It makes no sense for Carloina, other than saving cap room.

 

[DW Toys]

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Maybe we can trade him for Darnsby (we'd had him instead of Watson) we'll need to add picks (a 2nd I believe) but imagine this Mayo, Darnsby, Thomas and the comittee (Bruschi, Crable, Woods, Guyton, etc)

AZ is definitely looking for an RB.
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[Lord_Reginald_III]

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Why would we want to get rid of a guy who plays under a very cap friendly contract and who has to prove himself this year??? He won't bring us a second rounder, so no way we're going to deal him now. I don't think he's the answer, but we shouldn't deal him when his value is down.

good point(s), sounds logical to me

that said, larry's a likeable kid... but he's been dead to me ever since he tiptoed out of bounds short of a 1st down last season. too much sizzle, too little steak

 

[BradyFTW!]

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Seriously, guys, no more Bleacher Report articles. Egh.

 

[DW Toys]

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good point(s), sounds logical to me

that said, larry's a likeable kid... but he's been dead to me ever since he tiptoed out of bounds short of a 1st down last season. too much sizzle, too little steak

One thing that also scared me was his comment about he has a problem and the Pats are aware of it.....What was that all about?

He needs a team that isn't a north/south only deal like we are. We thought we got a newer version of Dillon and that was not the case. He could be great on the Broncos, Cards, or even the Eagles. Ravens, Pats, Steelers not so much.
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[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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The article crashed and burned with the first sentence of the second paragraph.

I've not been entirely happy with Maroney thus far, but he's clearly got a shed load of talent, and we should give him every chance to get over the injuries and show us exactly how good he can be.

The kid has a career average of 4.4 yards a clip, we need to give him the ball more.

Yeah,Chad Jackson had a 'shed load of talent' too - The only problem is it was in COLLEGE and not the Pros

Same for LoMo,That 4.4 yards average is such a bogus stat - How about a stat that shows how many times he takes a drop on the first hit or dances around looking for a hole instead of trying to make the most yardage he can by using strength to get somewhere besides negative yardage? - You won't find that stat anywhere

The OL is to blame at times for not having made room for rushing lanes but if you are to tell me that every great back had a great OL I would say you are full of sh!t

 

[Lord_Reginald_III]

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Same for LoMo,That 4.4 yards average is such a bogus stat - How about a stat that shows how many times he takes a drop on the first hit or dances around looking for a hole instead of trying to make the most yardage he can by using strength to get somewhere besides negative yardage? - You won't find that stat anywhere

yup..... this team is built on consistency & toughness, neither of which seem to be larry's strong suits

 

[Deus Irae]

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One thing that also scared me was his comment about he has a problem and the Pats are aware of it.....What was that all about?

The guy ended up on IR and had to have surgery.

He needs a team that isn't a north/south only deal like we are. We thought we got a newer version of Dillon and that was not the case. He could be great on the Broncos, Cards, or even the Eagles. Ravens, Pats, Steelers not so much.
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Wow.... just, wow.

 

[Deus Irae]

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yup..... this team is built on consistency & toughness, neither of which seem to be larry's strong suits

Have you ever watched this team? Every year, the secondary is a M*A*S*H unit, linebackers drop like flies and the OTHER running backs go down with injuries.

Despite the bleatings of far too many people here on Patsfans.com, the biggest difference between Maroney and the other players is not injury. The difference has been the severity and location of the injuries.

Then again, this is the same messageboard that still has people insisting that Seymour hasn't played well since getting his contract and declaring that he should be traded.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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Some guys in here are so pathetic to make excuses about how injuries and everything else is a reason as to why a guy wearing a Patriot uniform does not suck

BUT

When a guy like Gholston does not do anything on his first season as a pro he is an automatic bust just because he is on the Jets but proven losers like Chad Jackson were given 3 years to 'develop' because he was a Patriot .... Thats pure stupidity guys

Maroney has had ample opportunities to show that he was a good pick in 2006 but so far he has shown little flashes sporadically at best.


Our 2006 draft will go down as an overall very poor draft year and one of Pioli and Belichicks worst this decade,Thankfully most of the other drafts since 2000 were very good or we would not even have 1 title this decade if all were like 06

This years draft has to include a replacement for LoMo who will be saying goodbye next year IMO

 

[supafly]

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Supafly, It would be easy if they just trade him for Maroney. I am not giving a crazy scenario. I am trying to be realistic. And yes Mo, it is a fan opinion they should move him now while they have a chance. That does sound familiar doesn't it? It's management that has to consider a realistic reappraisal of this scenario. Forget about the fans. Bad choice of reference Mo. Wilson takes a back seat to Dansby and Bolden, so there is an issue here. It would probably cost one of our seconds and Maroney. That makes sense for each team. Evan at the Super Bowl, Wilson expressed his desire to get a new contract. They have a decent back up SS who is only 25.

Who doesn't think Maroney and say #47 gets this done? Forget the fan comment. It make more sense than Peppers for Maroney. Any trade is tricky Cousin. You have to have both entities fall in love.
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I don't think AZ wants to part with one of the best safeties in the league, and I don't think Maroney has enough trade value right now to package with a second rounder for Adrian Wilson. That's just my opinion, and I respect yours.

I think A.Wilson is an integral part of their defense, and I think we'd be getting the steal of the decade, parting with a second rounder and Maroney--for a proven, veteran safety. I think any Pats fan would wanna do it, but just don't think it makes sense from AZ's point of view. Just because they're not dealing with A.Wilson right now dosen't mean they're getting rid of him. They don't want the cap hit from Dansby, that's why they're working on him, instead of the franchise tag. And Boldin is a problem right now, an immediate one. But that dosen't undervalue their thoughts on A.Wilson.

And if AZ's fans want one of the best safeties in the game off of their team, they're incredibly insanely crazy. Only Ed Reed, Troy Polamoalu, and arguably Brian Dawkins were even in the same league as Adrian Wilson. They'd hafta be totally nuts, but like I said, you have your opinion and I have mine. BB would jump all over this in a heartbeat. Maroney and an unproven second rounder for A. freaking Wilson, wow!

 

[Deus Irae]

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Some guys in here are so pathetic to make excuses about how injuries and everything else is a reason as to why a guy wearing a Patriot uniform does not suck

BUT

When a guy like Gholston does not do anything on his first season as a pro he is an automatic bust just because he is on the Jets but proven losers like Chad Jackson were given 3 years to 'develop' because he was a Patriot .... Thats pure stupidity guys

Maroney has had ample opportunities to show that he was a good pick in 2006 but so far he has shown little flashes sporadically at best.

1.) What were Gholston's injuries last season, and how many games did he miss as a result?

2.) What did Maroney and Jackson do for the Patriots in injury free years that would be considered below general league-wide expectations?

 

[supafly]

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Some guys in here are so pathetic to make excuses about how injuries and everything else is a reason as to why a guy wearing a Patriot uniform does not suck

BUT

When a guy like Gholston does not do anything on his first season as a pro he is an automatic bust just because he is on the Jets but proven losers like Chad Jackson were given 3 years to 'develop' because he was a Patriot .... Thats pure stupidity guys

Maroney has had ample opportunities to show that he was a good pick in 2006 but so far he has shown little flashes sporadically at best.


Our 2006 draft will go down as an overall very poor draft year and one of Pioli and Belichicks worst this decade,Thankfully most of the other drafts since 2000 were very good or we would not even have 1 title this decade if all were like 06

This years draft has to include a replacement for LoMo who will be saying goodbye next year IMO

I'm all over your opinion of Maroney,believe me. It's this yr or bust for him, no doubt. But the 07 draft wasn't too good either, I think the only guy we even kept was Merriweather. I think 07 was worse than 06, but both sucked.

 

[Rob0729]

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Yeah,Chad Jackson had a 'shed load of talent' too - The only problem is it was in COLLEGE and not the Pros

Same for LoMo,That 4.4 yards average is such a bogus stat - How about a stat that shows how many times he takes a drop on the first hit or dances around looking for a hole instead of trying to make the most yardage he can by using strength to get somewhere besides negative yardage? - You won't find that stat anywhere

The OL is to blame at times for not having made room for rushing lanes but if you are to tell me that every great back had a great OL I would say you are full of sh!t

Ummm... Maroney's 4.4 yards stat does take into effect his negative yards stats. If it didn't, it would be much higher. The 4.4 yards stat is not bogus. It doesn't speak the whole story, but YPC doesn't tell the whole story for any RB. Maroney is a hit or miss RB so far in his career. When he hits, he is as good as any RB in the league. When he misses, it is pretty bad. He just hasn't hit nearly as much as he needs to so far in his career.

To compare him to Chad Jackson is what is bogus though. Jackson showed some very, very flashes his rookie season. Maroney has shown far more. The end of the 2007 season, he looked to be turning into an elite RB. He didn't follow that up this past year, but he might this upcoming year especially with Brady back and teams fearing the passing game again.

I think Maroney is still more of victim of perception over reality. Every once and a while I still hear we could have had Joseph Addai over him as if Addai has far outperformed Maroney eventhough Addai got outplayed by Rhodes last year and has been nothing more than mediocre since midway through the 2007 season. Maroney hasn't lived up to his first round status, but he hasn't been a complete disaster as some like to make him out to be.

 

[PATRIOTSFANINPA]

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1.) What were Gholston's injuries last season, and how many games did he miss as a result?

2.) What did Maroney and Jackson do for the Patriots in injury free years that would be considered below general league-wide expectations?

1) Who cares how many games or injuries Vernon had? - The guy had ONE season under his belt and according Patriotville he is already a bust because he is wearing Green - And I think the arrogance goes towards the comparison of our outstanding rookie Mayo - If Mayo had a subpar year instead of being an awesome young starter we would hear nothing about Gholston sucking

2) How many games can you say that Maroney was a big reason as to why we won that particular game? - We all know Chad Jackson had an average of yardage per game of about his jersey number (17) when he was healthy that is - Tom freaking Brady could not change him to become decent,that about says it all


Maroney was outstanding at Minnesota but in the pros is made of Glass and Jackson was a spectacular WR at florida but in the pros was simply a guy who could not make the transition. - Thats the way our round #1 and round #2 selections will look regarding 2006

I guess what you are saying that if Maroney was healthy his whole career he would be a shoo-in for one of the greatest RBs in Pats history - Sorry but I find that very hard to believe,even with 3 consecutive years of perfect health - Maroney is a borderline mediocre RB and always will be to most of us unless he can show more consistency like he has promised the last 2 seasons - that includes staying off of the injury list often for one season

Belichick is not perfect in every decision he makes and Maroney and Jackson were two of those blunders that shows BB is human and makes screwups like every person does.

 

[Rob0729]

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Some guys in here are so pathetic to make excuses about how injuries and everything else is a reason as to why a guy wearing a Patriot uniform does not suck

BUT

When a guy like Gholston does not do anything on his first season as a pro he is an automatic bust just because he is on the Jets but proven losers like Chad Jackson were given 3 years to 'develop' because he was a Patriot .... Thats pure stupidity guys

Maroney has had ample opportunities to show that he was a good pick in 2006 but so far he has shown little flashes sporadically at best.


Our 2006 draft will go down as an overall very poor draft year and one of Pioli and Belichicks worst this decade,Thankfully most of the other drafts since 2000 were very good or we would not even have 1 title this decade if all were like 06

This years draft has to include a replacement for LoMo who will be saying goodbye next year IMO

Gholston compared to Maroney? Really?!? Maroney has had injuries which may or may not have affected his performance, but Gholston was healthy all year. Maroney accomplished more in his first game of his rookie season than Gholston accomplished all year.

The guy has shown he has a lot of potential. Whether he ever puts it together on the field is still a question mark. He has the capability to be a top back if he can stay healthy and works on hitting the hole harder. He may never do that though. The Patriots, not even Maroney, deserve to allow him a shot to prove he can turn around his career.