How Much Is Everret Brown Worth?

[mgteich]

How much is Everret Brown worth to the pats?

Consider what Mayo would be worth to us if the needs were the same for last year. Is it possible that Brown projects as well to Belichick?
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To me, it is clear that we should be willing to move up and use two picks for the right player, in the 1st, in the 2nd or in the 3rd. I suspect that Everett Brown is such a player. It would cost one pick to move up. How high would you be willing to go?
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not interested

#23?

23 plus 124? 21st pick

34 and 58? 18th
23 and 89? 18th

34 and 47? 16th

23 and 58? 14th

23 and 47? 12th

23 and 34? 10th

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

#34, no higher.

 

[mayoclinic]

#23, but only if a certain other 3-4 OLB prospect is not available.

 

[TriplecHamp]

#23, but only if a certain other 3-4 OLB prospect is not available.

I hope you are joking...... If you would honestly take Barwin over Evertte Brown I am dissapointed. I hope the Bills think like you and take Barwin at 11 and we take Everette Brown at #23. Is Barwin your son?:singing:

 

[mgteich]

Mayock would be proud. Now Barwin is a better prospect than Everett Brown?

#23, but only if a certain other 3-4 OLB prospect is not available.

 

[mayoclinic]

I hope you are joking...... If you would honestly take Barwin over Evertte Brown I am dissapointed. I hope the Bills think like you and take Barwin at 11 and we take Everette Brown at #23. Is Barwin your son?:singing:

No, I'm not joking. I'm just being consistent.

I've said repeatedly that Barwin is my favorite 3-4 OLB prospect since David Pollack and DeMarcus Ware in 2005. I like him better than Manny Lawson, Bobby Carpenter and Chad Greenway in 2006. I like him better than Gaines Adams, Jarvis Moss and Lamarr Woodley in 2007. I like him better than Vernon Gholston, Chris Long, and Quentin Groves in 2008. And I like him better than any other 3-4 OLB prospect this year, including Everette Brown.

I've said in several other threads that I consider Barwin to have "perfect storm" potential at 3-4 OLB in terms of athleticism, versatility, smarts, motor, character, intelligence, ability to play in space, etc. There's only a few prospects I've liked as much in the past 4 years - Mayo and BJ Raji to name two.

I like Everette Brown a lot and he's certainly a much more polished DE than Barwin. But he's shorter and smaller with less athleticism and he's more of a pure pass rusher. At just over 6'1" he seems too short for me - if he were 6'3"+ I would probably rate him higher. There were also rumors he was playing much lighter during last season, as low as 225#, even though he weighed in at the combine in the 250's. I wouldn't be at all unhappy to get him, but I wouldn't take him over Barwin.

So I'm just being consistent. Demented, possibly. But consistent.

And no, Barwin's not my son. My son is 3 1/2 and loves building train sets and then destroying them, and if he and Barwin were both available at 23 I'd pick my son hands down.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

At the same point in their careers, he is not as productive a player as Cameron Wimbley. I my mind Brown is not a 3-4 OLB, but a pure 4-3 DE.

 

[TriplecHamp]

At the same point in their careers, he is not as productive a player as Cameron Wimbley. I my mind Brown is not a 3-4 OLB, but a pure 4-3 DE.

Not at 6'1 256 he isnt. Great first step I think he would be great as a Rush LB.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I hope you are joking...... If you would honestly take Barwin over Evertte Brown I am dissapointed. I hope the Bills think like you and take Barwin at 11 and we take Everette Brown at #23. Is Barwin your son?:singing:

I'm serious, but you already know that.

Brown and Barwin got very similar grades from NFL Draft Scout's evaluator, Brown 7.35, Barwin 7.23. Where it gets interesting is looking at the breakdown scores within - Brown's score is first:

Football Sense: 6.7, 7.0
Work Habits: 6.8, 7.5
Explosion/Pursuit: 8.3, 7.8
Strength at point: 6.1, 6.4
Use of Hands: 8.0, 6.7
Lateral Pursuit/Effort: 5.7, 7.0
Tackling Ability: 7.9, 6.2
Run Defense: 6.3, 7.8
Pass Rush: 8.8, 8.3
Instincts/Recognition: 7.5, 6.7

Barwin has two areas where his numbers are much lower: Use of Hands and Tackling Ability. It isn't until you read the write up that you see the score doesn't fully reflect the improvement over the course of the season, which the evaluator makes an effort to point out.

Brown has two numbers that really jump out as lower too: Lateral Pursuit/Effort and Run Defense. The evaluator makes a point of noting how Brown's stiffness in Lateral Pursuit may prevent a move to LB. Run Defense, it is what it is.

Both men were being evaluated as Defensive Ends, so they got a level playing field for comparison.

Some compare Brown to Dallas' DeMarcus Ware, but he does not have the fluid hips to drop back in pass coverage, making it a potential unwise move to plant him in the linebacking unit. History says that Florida State defensive ends rarely excel in the pros, but if used in the right system like Indianapolis utilizes with Dwight Freeney and Robert Mathis, Brown could be the one to break the Seminoles' jinx.

Barwin plays with a non-stop motor. Right now, he makes plays on instincts alone, but you can see with each passing week that he is developing a good feel for the game. Still, with his speed and edge rushing skills, he could be a nice fit in a 3-4 alignment as a strong-side linebacker.

 

[mayoclinic]

Not at 6'1 256 he isnt. Great first step I think he would be great as a Rush LB.

That's the problem. He is 6'1", and he is a 4-3 DE. It's not clear he has the size to be a successful 4-3 DE, and he doesn't have the blazing speed of a Dwight Freeney. And he doesn't have either the height or the athleticism that I would like to see as a 3-4 OLB. He seems like a more talented version Elvis Dumeril to me. He's a nice player, but I don't see where he fits. So perhaps #23 is a stretch, but I assume BB could find a way to use him productively, as he clearly has talent.

 

[TriplecHamp]

No, I'm not joking. I'm just being consistent.

I've said repeatedly that Barwin is my favorite 3-4 OLB prospect since David Pollack and DeMarcus Ware in 2005. I like him better than Manny Lawson, Bobby Carpenter and Chad Greenway in 2006. I like him better than Gaines Adams, Jarvis Moss and Lamarr Woodley in 2007. I like him better than Vernon Gholston, Chris Long, and Quentin Groves in 2008. And I like him better than any other 3-4 OLB prospect this year, including Everette Brown.

I've said in several other threads that I consider Barwin to have "perfect storm" potential at 3-4 OLB in terms of athleticism, versatility, smarts, motor, character, intelligence, ability to play in space, etc. There's only a few prospects I've liked as much in the past 4 years - Mayo and BJ Raji to name two.

I like Everette Brown a lot and he's certainly a much more polished DE than Barwin. But he's shorter and smaller with less athleticism and he's more of a pure pass rusher. At just over 6'1" he seems too short for me - if he were 6'3"+ I would probably rate him higher. There were also rumors he was playing much lighter during last season, as low as 225#, even though he weighed in at the combine in the 250's. I wouldn't be at all unhappy to get him, but I wouldn't take him over Barwin.

So I'm just being consistent. Demented, possibly. But consistent.

And no, Barwin's not my son. My son is 3 1/2 and loves building train sets and then destroying them, and if he and Barwin were both available at 23 I'd pick my son hands down.

The only things I would give Barwin the nod in are versatility, and possibly ability to play in space. Brown is just as good if not better in all of the other categories.

 

[WhiZa]

I don't think any project is worth trading up for in the first round. Not even with the #6 pick in the 2008 nfl draft.

 

[Seneschal2]

As I've mentioned, Brown is my favorite DE/OLB w/ Barwin #2. Brown will require a trade-up from #23, while Barwin will most likely be available at #23, and possibly later.

I'm not about to try and sell Brown to the board, as it's a waste of my energy and ultimately doesn't really matter. It's simply a matter of personal preference based primarily on analysis from tv tapes, sprinkled w/ a dose of all of the draft profiles, articles, and workout results . This applies to each prospect I grade as well.

If we're going to quote from draft profiles, then we might as well quote from various sources. NFL Draft Scout is my bible too, like many others here. There's a concern of Brown playing in space as Box points out with this quote:

The evaluator makes a point of noting how Brown's stiffness in Lateral Pursuit may prevent a move to LB.

But in this report, his LB potential seems more positive:

TFY

Sources at the workout have told us Everette Brown looked sensational in position drills. He was run through defensive line and linebacker drills and looked like a natural in pass coverage drills. Sources at the workout told us Brown displayed fluid footwork pedaling in reverse, was able to flip his hips and showed a terrific burst of speed.

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So the bottom line is, all of these reports are from sources that the average fan doesn't know. Which is why personal observation is always best when grading the prospects -- as limiting as that may be.

And to respond to the poll, #47 may be enough to be in position to select Brown -- if BB so chooses.