Could we unload one of those #2's for Chad Johnson?

[cstjohn17]

For what it is worth, when Rex Ryan was the DC for the Ravens he said in an interview that Moss and Johnson were the two best deep threats in the league. Placing them on the same roster would be a sight to see.

 

[Revman]

Sign him one year. Pat's are one of only clubs that could get him to produce like he is capeable of doing. Boy-He would improve overall depth. This would provide much faster results than drafting a rookie. I want a title shot this year.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Two words: salary cap.



Actually, a few more words on the subject.

If you trade for Johnson then you inherit his contract, which calls for $4.5 million in 2009, $5 million in 2010, and $6 million in 2011. There are also workout bonuses of $250k in each of those years.

There is no incentive for Johnson to agree to restructure that contract to something that would pay him less money. His best options would be to either continue to get paid under the terms of that contract (whether it be with the Bengals or with another team), or become a free agent where he can sell his services to the highest bidder. It doesn't make a lot of sense to agree to take a pay cut unless he also becomes a free agent.

There are a couple of things to consider from the Pats perspective. First is fitting him under the cap, and how that would affect ant other potential roster signings. Though the Pats could make the room it would severely limit them for any other moves they may want or need to make in case of injury.

Second, with limited cap space remaining, where does the team get the most bang for the buck? In other words, how much does adding Johnson really improve the team? In my opinion the incremental improvement of Johnson is minimal, and the team could have more improvement by spending that same money on other areas.

We have bingo.

1. Randy Moss will want to get paid too much
2. Randy Moss is a disruptive player
3. The Raiders would be left with no #1 WR.


If you can get Chad johnson for a 2nd, and he fits in the cap, you do it without even thinking twice.

Very clever but we don't need Chad Johnson. We're already spending 9M per for Moss.
Reminder - These are the Patriots, not the Detroit Lions.

 

[JSn]

We have bingo.

Dude, that is such a dope quip... in 1999.

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

First, It's an insult to Chad Johnson that you suggest he would have to compete with Greg Lewis. If the Pats traded for Johnson, he would automatically be the starting outside WR with Moss along with Welker starting in the slot. Greg Lewis will be lucky to make the team. With that said, I'd rather have the Pats trade for Peppers.

 

[mgteich]

Lewis would make the team as a special teamer, replacing Washington in that role.

First, It's an insult to Chad Johnson that you suggest he would have to compete with Greg Lewis. If the Pats traded for Johnson, he would automatically be the starting outside WR with Moss along with Welker starting in the slot. Greg Lewis will be lucky to make the team. With that said, I'd rather have the Pats trade for Peppers.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Dude, that is such a dope quip... in 1999.

Forgive us old fuddy duddies, we're not conversant with you hep cats and your snappy patter.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Chad Johnson won't fit under the Pats cap space unless they make some serious cuts. Considering the team's needs, allocating resources to defensive players makes more sense. It's pretty simple.

 

[Synovia]

Chad Johnson won't fit under the Pats cap space unless they make some serious cuts. Considering the team's needs, allocating resources to defensive players makes more sense. It's pretty simple.

Or He's Moss'd to a one year "showcase" deal.

He's only due $3M in salary this year, so thats all he'd hit the cap for. The Bonus Money is Cincy's issue.

 

[mgteich]

No one is suggesting that Johnson sign a new contract. His cap effect is no harder to fund than Jason Taylor.

 

[jmt57]

Or He's Moss'd to a one year "showcase" deal.

He's only due $3M in salary this year, so thats all he'd hit the cap for. The Bonus Money is Cincy's issue.

I believe that is incorrect; I read his salary was $4.5 million this year. The link early in this thread that stated Johnson's salary was for $3 million was for last year.

As far as a one-year 'showcase' deal goes, he's under contract till 2011; why would he agree to take a pay cut? At the time Moss was in a situation where most of the NFL doubted him and he needed to 'prove it' before getting a new, larger contract; Chad Johnson is not in that type of situation right now. He can either force the Bengals (or whomever trades for him) to pay him that much, or if the team does not want to pay him he becomes a free agent and he can sell his services to the highest bidder.

 

[dryheat44]

I think we should trade for Johnson. And also Anquan Boldin, Braylon Edwards, Deion Branch, Antonio Bryant, and Ronald Curry. We'd have the strongest, deepest, 1-9 WR corps in the league.

You can never have enough good players.

 

[jeffbiologist]

I think we should trade for Johnson. And also Anquan Boldin, Braylon Edwards, Deion Branch, Antonio Bryant, and Ronald Curry. We'd have the strongest, deepest, 1-9 WR corps in the league.

You can never have enough good players.

Isnt that the idea though...thats the reason why we got Moss after signing Stallworth and trading for Welker. With so many teams going defense first, I can see BB trying to be contrarian and outscore teams again. Adding 85 would simply add to our point total EVERY GAME. There isnt a 2nd round pick who can do that. But he would have to restructure, something I can see him doing in an effort to not just get out of town but go someplace he wants to go. I think he wants strong coaching, I cant see him succeeding in a place like Washington....

 

[dryheat44]

Adding 85 would simply add to our point total EVERY GAME. ....

Would he? I doubt it. I think our offense pretty much maxed out in 2007. Every TD Johnson scores will simply be one that Moss, Welker, Watson, or the running game didn't score.

 

[PatsBoy12]

Why would the Patriots want him? We're already loaded at wideout as the current roster stands. Plus, I don't even know if he'd be willing to play within our salary cap. We have more glaring needs on the other side of the ball and I think that's where the rest of the cap money will (and should) go.

 

[supafly]

Would he? I doubt it. I think our offense pretty much maxed out in 2007. Every TD Johnson scores will simply be one that Moss, Welker, Watson, or the running game didn't score.

Yeah, exactly.

He has a high potential to cause problems within the team, a higher valued cap hit than we'd ever pay for a 3rd receiver, (last yr Gaffney 1.1 million) and we are already very loaded at that particular position. He couldn't possibly catch more than 40 or so passes this yr, and would only retract from our other, better players on the WR corp. Plus, didn't he kinda fall off the past couple yrs? With a reloaded WR corp, a improved running game, and an improved TE position, we are more than fine at those positions.