Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft

[Rob0729]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

I don't see this happening. Not because I think the Pats wouldn't trade Seymour in the right circumstances, but I think the Pats have no interest drafting in the top 5 of the draft. Even getting Curry with the pick is a huge risk.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

I'm assuming the third pick would be Curry not Raji.

That would be why I mentioned the linebacker left unprotected.... I dismissed Raji as an option because he's a DT.

 

[smg93]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

This is the best thread today so far. I guess I'll refrain from posting my theory where I believe the Pats will execute a trade that gives them all 32 picks in the first round.

Which they will then subsequently trade away to the other teams in exchange for their first round and second round picks next year... hehehe

 

[JSn]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

Which they will then subsequently trade away to the other teams in exchange for their first round and second round picks next year... hehehe

Haha. How awesome would it be to just be able to sift through the top 64 players for the best ones and then just cut the sucky guys for the other teams.

I mean, we already do this, they just don't realize it, but...

 

[supafly]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

Your assumption with regard to Seymour is on target. Seymour will

demand Haynesworth and Peppers money. If the Patriots franchise

him, he will simply sit out 6 games in protest. Would fans rather get

nothing in return for him next year?

I certainly do not think there is anyway in the world they would try to franchise him, that would be much too high of a cap hit. If they can't reach a deal on something reasonable (little higher than right now, per inflation etc) then it's not going to happen. If they've been able to keep him this long, then it's certainly possible to continue to keep him, at a little higher cost. I think they'd much rather franchise Vince at half the price, but who knows? The situation will be discussed at length for the next yr.

They probably aren't going to negotiate with Seymour now, especially in a contract yr--for fear of getting burnt. Maybe he comes back softer (as some would argue,) after signing big money like last time. Then again, if he plays large, like expected in a contract yr, then he'll demand too much and we'd have to let him go. I think you can depend on him every play, every game, and every yr the same--at an extremely high level. I also think he was somewhat injured, and took a little while to shake off a couple of injuries--but he's been back. I hope that he can somehow stay, and think trading him, especially now in a contract yr, is pointless. I do not think he will demand Haynesworth money, unless you figure that to be the first 4 yrs of Haynesworth's contract (approx. 12 mill / per) Since that is a little more than he's making already, that may be alright with them.

I think we're still going by the assumption that BB thinks Wilfork is more irreplaceable than Seymour, just because many of us feel that way. That may be true, or he may feel differently. Only time will tell.

 

[Amnorix]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

The chances are zero because the top five picks in the draft will be the highest paid players at their position without ever having taken an NFL snap.

That represents HORRIBLE value. Truly horrible.

And the Pats are nto fans of doing things for horrible value, much less TRADING up to get a horrible value deal.

So the chances aren't "small", or "remote", or "unlikely". They are ZERO.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

Before you guys jump on me, think about this for a bit. It actually makes sense.

No, it really doesn't.

Jarvis Green isn't that great, especially not when assuming full time duties.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

It won't be for the number three poick, but K.C.'s number three for Maroney?
DW Toys

LOL.

Not this again.

 

[Irish Hooligan]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

One of the major differences between the Pats and many of the other teams in the NFL is how the Pats manage their money. The Patriots are very good at it while the majority of the of the other NFL teams are not. The Patriots have no interest in the 3rd pick in the draft because of the money that they would have to fork over to sign the kid. Top 3 dollar contracts are a big reason why the teams that are consistently drafting so high rarely improve. Until the NFL deal with this out of whack salary structure for high draft picks, the Pats will have no more interest in #3 overall than I have in the fat girl who lives next door.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

No, it really doesn't.

Jarvis Green isn't that great, especially not when assuming full time duties.

I know. How stupid of me. I am wrong and you are right. You win JB.... as usual.
DW Toys

 

[supafly]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

The chances are zero because the top five picks in the draft will be the highest paid players at their position without ever having taken an NFL snap.

That represents HORRIBLE value. Truly horrible.

And the Pats are nto fans of doing things for horrible value, much less TRADING up to get a horrible value deal.

So the chances aren't "small", or "remote", or "unlikely". They are ZERO.

Yeah, just to compare--I think Vernon Gholston makes about the same as the guy you are trying to trade, potential Hall of Famer--Richard Seymour.

 

[JackBauer]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

I know. How stupid of me. I am wrong and you are right. You win JB.... as usual.
DW Toys

Boy, that cross must be pretty heavy?

If you'd look, you'd realize that wasn't even addressed to you.

 

[DW Toys]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

Boy, that cross must be pretty heavy?

If you'd look, you'd realize that wasn't even addressed to you.

Well then use this the next time.
DW toys

 

[PatsWickedPissah]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

The chances are slim and none. Does nobody here pay any attention whatsoever to how BB manages the franchise?

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

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There's a better chance that KC trades Cassel to Denver for #18 and takes Barwin at #18.

I've been curious to see if any rumors come out about something like this happening. I know one thing for certain: it'd cause a media/forum/blog riot if Pioli is able to trade the #34 pick for the #18 and Mike Vrable

 

[KDPPatsfan85]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

The Patriots are not going to take the #3. Spend all that money for a player that has never played in the NFL. We have a better chance getting Peppers than moving up to #3!

 

[HEY BRO! WHAT UP?]

Re: Chances NE will end up with KC's third pick of the draft.

really believe that if this does not go down, Seymour is gone in 2010 anyway. I think the Pats will focus on keeping Wilfork and Mankins instead. Might as well get what we can for Seymour while we can. And that third pick will be a stud. (Aaron Curry?)

This is where you guys are seriously not getting it. Robert Kraft has already come out and said he hopes 2010 is uncapped. Why? Because it's benefits the Pats in resigning their own players and other free agents. How? Because they are a big market team that dominates in terms of revenue. Money will not be an issue if 2010 is uncapped. However, if 2010 is capped, then it will be difficult retaining all of their own free agents.

Before you guys jump on me, think about this for a bit. It actually makes sense.

No, it really doesn't make any sense. Trading the Pats pick with Seymour for an unproven "hyped up" LB seems extremely stupid. On top of that, relying on a second round pick to help replace the loss of Seymour. Jarvis Green cannot consistently replace the production of Seymour. In fact, Seymour proved he dominates when he is healthy.

 

[jsull87]

i know he is leaving but he is too important to our defence this year to let him go. richard seymours don't come around too often and i would like to think we are geared for a run this year(i know we are every yr) and having him in his contract year is pretty big.

 

[VJCPatriot]

On a recent visit to Kansas City, draft prospect Barwin was told by the Chiefs that although they have the third pick of the draft at the moment, they did not know what picks they would have by draft time. Here's the link:
Chiefs trying to match team's shopping list with draft slots - Kansas City Star

What are the chances that the Pats will trade for the third pick overall? Here's an idea I've been mulling over...Seymour and the Pats first rounder for the third pick of the draft. Trading Seymour would likely save enough cap $ so that the Pats could afford to pay the third pick of the draft. Jarvis could get an extended contract, and perhaps JT could still be brought in to share duties with Jarvis at DE (as well as play a little OLB.) Patriots would have to draft a DE with their top pick in the second round. I assume Aaron Curry will be taken with the third pick.

I really believe that if this does not go down, Seymour is gone in 2010 anyway. I think the Pats will focus on keeping Wilfork and Mankins instead. Might as well get what we can for Seymour while we can. And that third pick will be a stud. (Aaron Curry?)

Before you guys jump on me, think about this for a bit. It actually makes sense.

That's the dumbest idea I've heard today. And then who are you going to replace Seymour with? Tyson Jackson? You've given up a 1st round pick and a defensive anchor to pick up an unproven rookie.

What I get out of this article is that the Chiefs covet Barwin among some other players. They might not be willing to take Curry at #3. And if they are willing to trade down to draft Barwin in the 1st, it looks like Pioli likes Barwin just about as much as some other people on this board.

 

[ayjackson]

Chiefs won't trade a high pick this year for a player they can sign as a free agent next year. They don't need him this year, they need picks.

I could see them trading down for three day one picks from the Pats, but I don't see anybody that would be worth moving up for from the Pats perspective. I mean, Curry would be nice, but the three picks are nicer.