Pro Football weekly 2 round mock

[BelichickFan]

Under BB both times the Pats were near this high in the first round, they went with defense both times.

Two isn't exactly a large sample size

 

[PATSNUTme]

Relax Barwin groupies. The draft is still over 3 weeks away and there will be 2 or 3 other mocks to validate your love. I think that Nolan will have him ranked as a solid second rounder by his final mock or rankings.

Nolan does watch entire game films over and over a does not watch the high light vids that don't include the low lights. But he can be wrong about players as any scout can be.

 

[mayoclinic]

Relax Barwin groupies. The draft is still over 3 weeks away and there will be 2 or 3 other mocks to validate your love. I think that Nolan will have him ranked as a solid second rounder by his final mock or rankings.

Nolan does watch entire game films over and over a does not watch the high light vids that don't include the low lights. But he can be wrong about players as any scout can be.

You should at least be happy, as he has the Pats taking Matthews at 34.

As I said earlier in this thread, I generally respect Nawrocki's opinion. I will be curious to see how his draft evolves.

 

[Patriot Missile]

Yep, seems reasonable to me, too. And BB famously said he would have taken Robert Gallery at #1 overall.

Got to wonder how Gallery's career may have turned out with a different set of coaches and a talented roster?

 

[TealSox]

Considering the Chiefs have $15 mil. tied up in Matt Cassel this year and Todd Haley is a former offensive coordinator, I think Pioli will make an exception and take (arguably) the best offensive tackle in the draft.

 

[mgteich]

I think that the minimum most of us want on Day One is a quality OLB and a quality safety. Matthews and Johnson certainly fill the bill.

I would certainly be surprised by a RB and WR on Day One. They are certainly upgrades over Green-Ellis and Aiken at their positions.

So, my bottom line is that TWO needs would have been met and two other positions upgraded. All in all, a good day's work.

I would certainly have preferred a DE or OT at 23 and an OG at 58.
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I would go into Day Two expecting to get OL help at 89/97/124.

 

[DocE]

I don't like this draft at all, but it does illustrate a line of thinking that is compelling to me.

Assuming the Patriots keep picks 23 and 34 there seems to be much more value in taking a more pure BPA stance at 23 and then looking to the OLB position at 34. In this mock draft, Larry English, Connor Barwin, and Michael Johnson would all still be on the board at 34. In most mocks, you see 2-3 of the 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB group still available at 34.

The couter point to this is the Patriots likely will have vastly different grades on the 3-4 OLB group than what's published by various "scouting" services that we have access too. While English, Barwin, Mathews et al may have similar grades across most "scouting" services, the Patriots will likely see one of them as top 15 talent, another as a mid 2nd rounder, and maybe have one as a mid rounder.

Knowing how the 2 rounds play out in Nolan's mind I would do this:

23. Percy Harvin
34. Louis Delmas
47. William Beatty
58. Connor Barwin

 

[dryheat44]

Donald Washington in the 2nd round might be the worst single pick I've seen in any mock so far. He has a better chance of going undrafted than on day one. The Dolphins follow that up with Austin Collie with their other second round pick? If Parcells does a draft like that, somebody take away the keys and put him in a home.

And given who's on the board, I don't get the Patriots picks at all.

#23: Moreno while Brown's on the board? Even if BB wants to go RB, I think Donald Brown or Beanie Wells is more likely.

#34: BB's going to take a player who was unproductive in his one year starting and is a conversion project when he has his pick of interior linemen, safeties, better OLBs in English and Johnson, Beatty, Nicks, etc?

#47: I'd like to think that if BB really wants a safety, he'd trade up to get Delmas before he reaches for Johnson with the next pick, who has no in-the-box skills and is much worse in coverage than Meriweather.

#58: Massaquoi? Really? We're going to use a second round pick on a guy who's upside is Jabbar Gaffney, and who's going to have a very tough time getting open in the NFL?

This has to be the worst Patriots draft I've seen yet.

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't like this draft at all, but it does illustrate a line of thinking that is compelling to me.

Assuming the Patriots keep picks 23 and 34 there seems to be much more value in taking a more pure BPA stance at 23 and then looking to the OLB position at 34. In this mock draft, Larry English, Connor Barwin, and Michael Johnson would all still be on the board at 34. In most mocks, you see 2-3 of the 4-3 DE/3-4 OLB group still available at 34.

The couter point to this is the Patriots likely will have vastly different grades on the 3-4 OLB group than what's published by various "scouting" services that we have access too. While English, Barwin, Mathews et al may have similar grades across most "scouting" services, the Patriots will likely see one of them as top 15 talent, another as a mid 2nd rounder, and maybe have one as a mid rounder.

Knowing how the 2 rounds play out in Nolan's mind I would do this:

23. Percy Harvin
34. Louis Delmas
47. William Beatty
58. Connor Barwin

Knowing that you can get Delmas/Beatty/Barwin at 34, 47 and 58, the 23 pick becomes a freebie. Moreno, Harvin, Nicks, Maualuga, Gilbert and Ayers are all options who are available at 23.

But in real life we wouldn't know that, and wouldn't possibly wait on all of those guys. In reality I'd take Barwin at 23, grab Beatty at 34 when he was unexpectedly still available, and trade up from 47 to get Delmas - and I would be absolutely thrilled with that result. The absolute "best case" realistic scenario I could see with Nawrocki's draft would be something like trading 23 and 58 to the Giants for 29 and 45, taking Barwin at 29, Beatty at 34, and Delmas at 45. That would leave #47 left to trade, or, following his draft, to use on Hakeem Nicks (going #49) who would be a terrific WR for us. Barwin/Beatty/Delmas/Nicks would be absolutely sick. Without the trade we could still do Barwin at 23, Beatty at 34, trade #89 and 58 to move up to around #43 to grab Delmas, and then use #47 on Nicks or trade it. Either way, we would end up with 4 players whom I consider solid 1st round values.

But of course, there's no way it would ever happen.

 

[makoute]

Holy SEC batman. Didn't we try the rb/wr thing in 06? Everette Brown 30?
Doesn't seem very likely.

Everette Brown at 30 does seem unlikely.

 

[Patsman]

This draft looks like straight garbage to me and the type of mock where a guy makes a ton of off beat predictions so that if a hand full come through, he thinks he's a genious.

 

[PATSNUTme]

This draft looks like straight garbage to me and the type of mock where a guy makes a ton of off beat predictions so that if a hand full come through, he thinks he's a genious.

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Look who's #3 in the 5 year average.Not saying he's right in this one,and that's not his final mock, but he does have a track record.