The annual pre-draft "Bobby Carpenter is for sale" thread

[mayoclinic]

Once again the Cowboys seem to be interested in trading Bobby Carpenter in the period before the draft:

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/03/carpenter-on-block.html

I think by now Carpenter's proven that he's not physical enough to play in the 3-4 as an ILB, and not athletic enough to play OLB.

 

[R_T26]

Something about LB's with long hair i dont like. They seem to be avg to bust in the NFL. Its like they have a WWF persona. Hawk and Carpenter and now Cushing and Mathews. I have a draft mag where they ask Cushing what he would be if not an NFL player-now most guys say something that goes along with their college major-Cushing answered UFC fighter. Doesnt seem like the brightest bulb.

 

[DW Toys]

Once again the Cowboys seem to be interested in trading Bobby Carpenter in the period before the draft:

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/03/carpenter-on-block.html

I think by now Carpenter's proven that he's not physical enough to play in the 3-4 as an ILB, and not athletic enough to play OLB.

I was one of those who thought Carpenter would be a great addition to the Pats last year. So count me as one of those. But I think the Boys play a little different scheme. He excels in coverage and he has shown he can rush the passer. He is a top tier ST guy and still young and fast. Sometimes change of scenery works. Working with Pep and the Pats "D" coaches might perk him up. He is supposedly very smart. I thing BB values smarts more than ultimate physical superiority. In Dallas it is athletic ability first and smarts second. Here it is "do your job". You are not expected to dominate anything but what is your responsibility. It is know and get ready for the situation first.

I will make the perfect example. James Sanders. He is slow and not very gifted athletically, nor does he make plays but as the experts say on this forum, BB values his intelligence. Another example is TBC. Mediocre in physical traits but has something BB likes and can work with. Hence he is back. Didn't we also bring back Yates? Most of us would say why?

Nobody's perfect. He missed on Biesel and Gabriel. In the draft, he missed on Jackson or perhaps it was Jackson who missed.

I think Carpenter might be a player here in this scheme. I could see him as a project for BB. Let him back up Teddy for this year to get our system down. Yes, I think the kid has the talent and speed but is in the wrong situation. BB can make him more physical to fit what the Pats do. There was an LB we had by the name of Vrabel that BB made into an All Pro because he was used wrong by another team.

Look at the Dallas deal to Miami last year. Ayodele and Fassano were given away for a single fourth rounder. Ayodele was behind Carpenter on the Boys depth chart. He had 75 tackles and 2 INTs for the Dolphins as a starter and Fassano had 34 catches and 7 TDs as compared to the Pats Watson at 22 catches and 2 TDs. Point is that the Cowboys are not the perfect gauge to talent like they were ten years ago. This leads me to believe perhaps they are not using Carpenter right either. Yep I see a value.
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[Wretch]

This strikes me as a "lets see if we get a late round pick before we release him" sort of move.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

Once again the Cowboys seem to be interested in trading Bobby Carpenter in the period before the draft:

http://cowboysblog.dallasnews.com/archives/2009/03/carpenter-on-block.html

I think by now Carpenter's proven that he's not physical enough to play in the 3-4 as an ILB, and not athletic enough to play OLB.

I didn't want him in his draft class, why would I want him now that he's proven me right?

 

[PatsChamp88]

Poor poor Bobby

 

[signbabybrady]

I wanted Carpenter in the draft a few years agao and wanted to trade for him in the past...but now I like Mayo and Guyton much more and Bru for a season is better still and as a fan Bru is much better. So I would say if we don't find a LB in the draft than maybe this would be an OK move just as a flier but not instead of a rookie.

 

[mayoclinic]

I was one of those who thought Carpenter would be a great addition to the Pats last year. So count me as one of those. But I think the Boys play a little different scheme. He excels in coverage and he has shown he can rush the passer. He is a top tier ST guy and still young and fast. Sometimes change of scenery works. Working with Pep and the Pats "D" coaches might perk him up. He is supposedly very smart. I thing BB values smarts more than ultimate physical superiority. In Dallas it is athletic ability first and smarts second. Here it is "do your job". You are not expected to dominate anything but what is your responsibility. It is know and get ready for the situation first.

I will make the perfect example. James Sanders. He is slow and not very gifted athletically, nor does he make plays but as the experts say on this forum, BB values his intelligence. Another example is TBC. Mediocre in physical traits but has something BB likes and can work with. Hence he is back. Didn't we also bring back Yates? Most of us would say why?

Nobody's perfect. He missed on Biesel and Gabriel. In the draft, he missed on Jackson or perhaps it was Jackson who missed.

I think Carpenter might be a player here in this scheme. I could see him as a project for BB. Let him back up Teddy for this year to get our system down. Yes, I think the kid has the talent and speed but is in the wrong situation. BB can make him more physical to fit what the Pats do. There was an LB we had by the name of Vrabel that BB made into an All Pro because he was used wrong by another team.

Look at the Dallas deal to Miami last year. Ayodele and Fassano were given away for a single fourth rounder. Ayodele was behind Carpenter on the Boys depth chart. He had 75 tackles and 2 INTs for the Dolphins as a starter and Fassano had 34 catches and 7 TDs as compared to the Pats Watson at 22 catches and 2 TDs. Point is that the Cowboys are not the perfect gauge to talent like they were ten years ago. This leads me to believe perhaps they are not using Carpenter right either. Yep I see a value.
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I would have been willing to give Carpenter a try last year if the 'Boys had cut him, but I think by now he's had plenty of time to adjust to the 3-4. He has nice size, but he really isn't very physical or athletic.

 

[Deus Irae]

I was one of those who thought Carpenter would be a great addition to the Pats last year. So count me as one of those. But I think the Boys play a little different scheme. He excels in coverage and he has shown he can rush the passer. He is a top tier ST guy and still young and fast. Sometimes change of scenery works. Working with Pep and the Pats "D" coaches might perk him up. He is supposedly very smart. I thing BB values smarts more than ultimate physical superiority. In Dallas it is athletic ability first and smarts second. Here it is "do your job". You are not expected to dominate anything but what is your responsibility. It is know and get ready for the situation first.

I will make the perfect example. James Sanders. He is slow and not very gifted athletically, nor does he make plays but as the experts say on this forum, BB values his intelligence. Another example is TBC. Mediocre in physical traits but has something BB likes and can work with. Hence he is back. Didn't we also bring back Yates? Most of us would say why?

Nobody's perfect. He missed on Biesel and Gabriel. In the draft, he missed on Jackson or perhaps it was Jackson who missed.

I think Carpenter might be a player here in this scheme. I could see him as a project for BB. Let him back up Teddy for this year to get our system down. Yes, I think the kid has the talent and speed but is in the wrong situation. BB can make him more physical to fit what the Pats do. There was an LB we had by the name of Vrabel that BB made into an All Pro because he was used wrong by another team.

Look at the Dallas deal to Miami last year. Ayodele and Fassano were given away for a single fourth rounder. Ayodele was behind Carpenter on the Boys depth chart. He had 75 tackles and 2 INTs for the Dolphins as a starter and Fassano had 34 catches and 7 TDs as compared to the Pats Watson at 22 catches and 2 TDs. Point is that the Cowboys are not the perfect gauge to talent like they were ten years ago. This leads me to believe perhaps they are not using Carpenter right either. Yep I see a value.
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On a thread about a player who's not even a Patriot, you had to make sure to get in a dig against Sanders.

Seriously, get over it.

 

[R_T26]

we kind of have to stop comparing every ST LB to Vrabel. That was 8 years ago, plus Pitt was already loaded at LB. Just like you cant compare every undrafted college DE to James Harrison, these are just guys that teams get lucky with and dont come around very often.

 

[DW Toys]

On a thread about a player who's not even a Patriot, you had to make sure to get in a dig against Sanders.

Seriously, get over it.

No dig, It was a compliment? Smart player. Never said he wasn't smart. It was for comparison only. Sorry. I mentioned Biesel and Fassano and Gabriel too.
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[amazinPats]

No dig, It was a compliment? Smart player. Never said he wasn't smart. It was for comparison only. Sorry. I mentioned Biesel and Fassano and Gabriel too.
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I didn't read any dig in your comments either. In fact, I thought you were complimenting Sanders. Why can't posters handle a little objective analysis on our players?

 

[amazinPats]

I would happily trade a 5th rounder for Carpenter, providing he reworks his contract, which states that he is due $1.85m if his playing time ramps up. His base salary is at $850,000 or something like that. We have too many unusable draft picks as it is, and BB might be able to do something with this project.

 

[captain stone]

I will make the perfect example. James Sanders. He is slow and not very gifted athletically, nor does he make plays but as the experts say on this forum, BB values his intelligence. Another example is TBC. Mediocre in physical traits but has something BB likes and can work with. Hence he is back. Didn't we also bring back Yates? Most of us would say why?

3 JAGs whose continued employment by the NEP continue to baffle me.

Nobody's perfect. He missed on Biesel and Gabriel. In the draft, he missed on Jackson or perhaps it was Jackson who missed.

Mr. Perfect has missed on a lot more than those, too.

Look at the Dallas deal to Miami last year. Ayodele and Fassano were given away for a single fourth rounder. Ayodele was behind Carpenter on the Boys depth chart. He had 75 tackles and 2 INTs for the Dolphins as a starter and Fassano had 34 catches and 7 TDs as compared to the Pats Watson at 22 catches and 2 TDs. Point is that the Cowboys are not the perfect gauge to talent like they were ten years ago. This leads me to believe perhaps they are not using Carpenter right either. Yep I see a value.
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I would have given serious consideration to trading #96 (K O'C) to Dallas for Fasano & Ayodele. TE + SILB = solved.

 

[DW Toys]

I would have given serious consideration to trading #96 (K O'C) to Dallas for Fasano & Ayodele. TE + SILB = solved.

That was all it cost Miami....a fourth! This Parcell guy is something! Wish our F.O. made some cool deals. Two stiffs in Dallas become valuable pieces in Miami.....Hence my take on Carpenter. He was rated higher on their depth chart than Ayodele.
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[DW Toys]

I would happily trade a 5th rounder for Carpenter, providing he reworks his contract, which states that he is due $1.85m if his playing time ramps up. His base salary is at $850,000 or something like that. We have too many unusable draft picks as it is, and BB might be able to do something with this project.

We do not have a fifth (Lewis) but I get your point. We have like eleven picks. Trade them up or down.
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