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I thought I would start a non-Peppers thead. I am not meaning to discuss kickers, holders and snappers.

We often hear that particular players are special team aces, but who are the most important? Who are the stars? This becomes especially critical when the last roster spots are determined. Which players are worth roster spots even if they take no reps on offense or defense (or almost none)? For example, who are our top gunners?

Izzo was never on the bubble. Neither was Davis or Cherry or Whigham when there were.

I have Slater as making the roster a special teamer. I have Aiken and Ventrone competing for another special teams roster spot.

Other like Banta-Cain, Woods, and Lewis play positions.
 
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I'm wondering if there's some kind of correlation between certain offensive or defensive positions and certain roles on special teams. For example, a player with the skills to be a good slot receiver would also be a good punt returner. Or linebackers make the best blockers. I don't expect that these would be always true and without exception, but fairly accurate nonetheless.

The more roster spots that are taken up by ST-only players, the more positional depth suffers on offense and defense. I don't have a problem with carrying somebody like that if they're a difference maker, but I don't know what skills or abilities constitute such a person.

Of course, I'd love to field an offense that is so good that we don't even bother having a punter on the roster. :)
 
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Ray Ventrone !!!! :D
 
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Gunner

In American football, a gunner (also often referred to as a "shooter") is a player on kickoffs and punts who specializes in running down the sideline very quickly in an attempt to tackle the kick returner or the punt returner. Gunners must have several techniques in order to break away or "shed" blockers, and have good agility in order to change their running direction quickly. Gunners on the punt team also must be able to block or catch.

Gunners typically also play positions as defensive backs, cornerbacks, wide receivers, or running back when not on special teams, often as backups.

Gunner may also refer to the one or two players assigned to block the gunner of the punting team.

The NFL Pro Bowl features a "Special Teamer" position, along with a kicker, punter, and kick returner. This is often the gunner considered to be among the best. Recent Pro Bowlers include Kassim Osgood, Brendon Ayanbadejo, Hanik Milligan, Larry Izzo, David Tyree, Montell Owens, and Sean Morey. Steve Tasker, a 7-time Pro Bowler, is considered to be the top gunner in NFL history.

On punts there will be two players on the punting team lined up wide, like wide receivers. These are called gunners. According to the NFL Rules Digest

During a kick from scrimmage, only the end men, as eligible receivers on the line of scrimmage at the time of the snap, are permitted to go beyond the line before the ball is kicked.

These two eligible receivers on the kicking team allowed to start running down field as soon as the ball is snapped are the gunners. The gunner's job is to try to get down the field as fast as the kicked ball and tackle whomever catches it. In the best case, they get there just before the ball and make the other team afraid to try to catch it. When a team lines up to punt, the other team lines up in a defense that is designed to also receive a punt. There will be one player lined up about 40 yards back; he is the receiver, the player designated to catch the punt. There will also be a few players lined up on the gunners. If the defense lines up two defenders on each gunner, then they are hoping to slow the gunners down, catch the punt, and try to run the punt back for a long gain or even a touchdown. If there is only one defender lined up on each gunner, then the receiving team has extra players rushing the punter, and they hope to block the punt.

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Kickoff Coverage II: Spears and Gunners

"Stay in your lane."

For decades, those words have been the foundation of every football coach's instructions to the players on his kickoff coverage unit. In the early days of football, the members of the coverage team just lined up across the field with five yards between them, then ran straight downfield and made sure that if the return man ran within their five-yard lane, they tackled him.

But as football strategy has progressed, kickoff coverage has become significantly more complex than simply telling the 10 men on the coverage team (excluding the kicker, whose job is to pray that he doesn't have to make a tackle), to stay in their lanes. If each of the 10 men care only about an area of real estate just over five yards wide, the kickoff return team's wedge would overpower the players in the center lanes and lead a long return up the middle every time.

In this edition of our off-season strategy minicamp, we'll look at the responsibilities of the 10 players on the kickoff coverage team. Although it might seem like each player's job is as simple as "stay in your lane," or, alternatively, "just run downfield and tackle the guy with the ball," kickoff coverage teams have specific roles, which we'll address here.

Unlike on offense or defense, where everyone can agree what a quarterback is or what a linebacker is, on kickoff coverage, different teams use different terms to describe the players on the field. Special teams coaches like their coverage players to have somewhat reckless attitudes, which is why kickoff coverage players often have positions with names like "wedge buster," "spear," "bomber," and "gunner." For the purposes of this article we'll mostly identify coverage players using the simple system of R1 through R5 and L1 through L5, with the player closest to the kicker on the kicker's right identified as R1 and the player closest to the sideline on the kicker's left as L5.

Kickoff coverage players have four basic responsibilities:

1. Line up at the 20-yard line and time their run perfectly with the kicker's approach so that they are running at full speed and close to the 30-yard line as possible (without crossing it) just as the kicker's foot touches the ball.

2. Evade the front line. As we wrote about in our previous installment, kickoff return teams have two groups of blockers, the front line and the wedge. Getting past the front line blocks requires some of the same speed rush moves that defensive ends use on offensive tackles. An arm rip or a swim technique can help a coverage player get past the front line blockers without having to slow down.

3. Attack the wedge. Think of all the defensive tackles who have long and productive NFL careers not because they tackle the ball carrier themselves very often but because they can take on blockers to give the linebackers behind them space to make the tackle. Wedge busters are smaller and faster than defensive tackles but have similar roles on the team. They need to make sure the return unit doesn't have a perfectly intact wedge that can escort the return man to the end zone.

4. Make the tackle. No matter how quickly a coverage player can get downfield, if he allows the return man to run past him, he isn't of much use to his team.

Linebackers, defensive backs and wide receivers make up the bulk of the kickoff coverage teams because they have the right combination of speed to get downfield, elusiveness to avoid the blocks, and tackling ability. Among the league's best kickoff coverage players are Atlanta Falcons linebacker Ike Reese, Pittsburgh Steelers receiver Sean Morey, and New York Giants receiver David Tyree.

On a typical coverage unit, R5 and L5 are the gunners � their job is to run straight to the ball. Because they're coming from the sidelines and the wedge usually assembles in the middle of the field, they usually don't have to worry about No. 3 of the above responsibilities. When the gunners do their jobs perfectly, they fly past the opposing front line and around the wedge, and then tackle the return man before he can reach the 20-yard line. Gunners line up at one 20-yard line and sprint to the other, a 60-yard run that is about the farthest a football player ever runs in a straight line.

Because R5 and L5, the players closest to the sideline, are running straight to the ball, there's a risk that the returner can run past them and simply turn up the sideline and take it to the house. That's why most teams give R4 and L4 the job of containment along the sidelines. R4 and L4 cross paths with L5 and R5 and make sure that if the return man tries to run up the sideline, they either tackle him or force him to turn back inside, where one of their teammates can make the tackle.

Responsibility No. 3, commonly known as the wedge buster, generally goes to L1 and R1. They're the players closest to the middle of the field, so they've got a straight shot at the opposing wedge. This is the perfect job for a rookie linebacker who has good speed and aggressiveness but hasn't learned the nuances of reading an opposing offense yet, or to a rookie fullback who loves running head first into someone in the opposite color jersey but doesn't fully understand how to identify a blitz. The coaches simply tell L1 and R1 to run full speed into the crowd of opposing blockers to foul up the return game. The wedge busters don't need to make the tackle themselves, but they need to make sure the opposing blockers are otherwise occupied. Many of the best wedge busters take out two blockers at once by throwing themselves at the wedge using a sideways leap, taking out one member of the wedge with the shoulders and another one with the hips.

That leaves L2, L3, R2 and R3 as the players who usually make the tackle. Those four players still have the role of staying in their lanes, but as they're running down the field in their lanes, they need to keep an eye on the ball, to see where the kick has gone and which direction the returner is going. One problem that often comes up, especially for players who try to break into the NFL on kickoff coverage units but didn't play special teams in college, is that they tend to keep their heads down when running. The players on the kickoff coverage unit need to have their heads up and be on the lookout both for the players trying to block them and for where the return man is running.

Television camera angles make the kickoff coverage unit look like vaguely organized chaos. That's not an entirely inaccurate description of what's happening on the field. But players on the kickoff coverage units spend hours watching film and studying the Xs and Os on the blackboard for a reason. Within that seeming chaos, each of the 10 men on the kickoff coverage unit has a specific job that he needs to execute with every bit the precision of a quarterback's seven-step drop or a safety's blitz. Covering a kickoff doesn't get a player's face on television, but it does help his team win.

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Nice detailed post on STs. Informative.
What I like about football in detail is that there is so much interesting stuff to learn & watch for non-experts like me.
 
I have Slater as making the roster a special teamer. I have Aiken and Ventrone competing for another special teams roster spot.

Other like Banta-Cain, Woods, and Lewis play positions.

Eric Alexander, Greg Lewis, and Mike Wright are also excellent coverage guys.
 
Eric Alexander, Greg Lewis, and Mike Wright are also excellent coverage guys.

True. We just lost Washington & Izzo from STs. I'll wager Alexander gets cut this summer because of a surplus of young developing LBs, however that means we add some strong new ST fodder. Strong ST play from Redd, Rudd and Crable will help these physically talented potential LBs make the 53.
 
Eric Alexander, Greg Lewis, and Mike Wright are also excellent coverage guys.

Wright is the one a lot of people overlook. Retaining him was important from a ST perspective as well as DL depth.
 
Wright is the one a lot of people overlook. Retaining him was important from a ST perspective as well as DL depth.

Wright's actually a heck of an athlete. He may not be the most powerful guy on the line, but he can get those 295 lbs down the field in a hurry.
 
I guess this post highlights one the points I'm making. I don't think we can just count on bottom of the roster players to be top special teamers just because we have hope for them at a nother position. Special teamers are stars, jags and incompetents on their own units.

Crable showed very little, and was inactive precisely because of his lack of special teams skills. I have seen nothing that causes me to believe that Ruud or Redd is ready to compete at Alexander's level; have you. I understand that it's possible that these three would step up on special teams. However, it seems almost as likely to believe that one of them would step up and perform at their position.

True. We just lost Washington & Izzo from STs. I'll wager Alexander gets cut this summer because of a surplus of young developing LBs, however that means we add some strong new ST fodder. Strong ST play from Redd, Rudd and Crable will help these physically talented potential LBs make the 53.
 
I guess this post highlights one the points I'm making. I don't think we can just count on bottom of the roster players to be top special teamers just because we have hope for them at a nother position. Special teamers are stars, jags and incompetents on their own units.

Crable showed very little, and was inactive precisely because of his lack of special teams skills. I have seen nothing that causes me to believe that Ruud or Redd is ready to compete at Alexander's level; have you. I understand that it's possible that these three would step up on special teams. However, it seems almost as likely to believe that one of them would step up and perform at their position.

Point taken, but you may be a little harsh on the youngsters. It is not like they have had a ton of opportunity and failed on ST. Ruud especially seemed to have the skill set for a top STer (functional speed, nose for the ball, reliable open field tackler). The new guys are going to have to knock someone off the roster and it is likely that they will only be able to do that by excelling on ST. If I was any of these guys, including Alexander, I'm probably not signing a long-term lease in Boston just yet.
 
Crable showed very little, and was inactive precisely because of his lack of special teams skills. I have seen nothing that causes me to believe that Ruud or Redd is ready to compete at Alexander's level; have you. I understand that it's possible that these three would step up on special teams. However, it seems almost as likely to believe that one of them would step up and perform at their position.

No. I was not focused on that aspect last summer. Alexander sets a very high bar for ST competition. This July-Aug I'm going to notice the LBs as to who's doing what on STs more carefully. Should be a strong indicator for the 53.
 
OUT: Izzo, Washington, Evans
IN: Lewis, Banta-Cain, Williams
2008 POSITION PLAYERS: Wright, Woods

HOW MANY CAN WE AFFORD TO KEEP?
None of these players are likely to make the team based on their position skills. Who are our gunners? Who are critical at other positions (like Wright as wedge-buster)? I have allocated four roster spots in the past to these unsung heros. I have only two this year because of the developmental need at linebacker.

Our "usual" complement of linebackers is 4 OLB's, 3 ILB's and 2 STers who rarely have any reps at linebacker. We already have seven linebackers, including special teamers Banta-Cain and Woods who could make the team as special team specialists. So we should be set at seven linebackers. However, we are likely to add two rookies. Another way to look at it is that in a good year, Banta-Cain and Alexander would be our #8 and #9 linebackers. In any case, I find it difficult to keep more than two of the following on my project 53 roster. Does this make sense?

I am presuming that among the draftees/additions who make the team will be three among linebackers and safeties.

SLATER
VENTRONE

Aiken
Spann
Alexander
Redd
Ruud
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OFFENSE (24)
QB (3) Brady, O'Connell, (Gutierrez)
RB/FB (5) Taylor, Faulk, Morris, Maroney, (BJGE)
WR (4) Moss, Welker, Galloway, Lewis
TE (3) Watson, Baker, Thomas
OT (4) Light, Kaczur, LeVoir, (O’Callaghan)
OG/C (5) Mankins, Koppen, Neal, Hochstein, (Yates)

DEFENSE (24)
DL (6) Wilfork, Seymour, Warren, Green, Wright, Smith
OLB (5) Thomas, Crable, Banta-Cain, Woods, (Redd)
ILB (4) Mayo, Guyton, Bruschi, (Ruud/Alexander)
CB (5) Hobbs, Bodden, Springs, Wheatley, Wilhite
S (4) Meriweather, Sanders, Williams,(Richardson/Spann)

SPECIALISTS (5)
K (1) Gostkowski
P (1) Hanson
LS (1) Hodel
ST (2) Slater, Ventrone

PRACTICE SQUAD
Wendell, Listorti, DeVree, Craig, Malone, Redd, Ruud
 
I am presuming that among the draftees/additions who make the team will be three among linebackers and safeties.

Just to take your thought and run with it:

It's almost a given that we'll address the LB and Safety positions this draft. There are numerous prospects who have excelled on ST either their entire careers, or at least partly. Four names that come to mind and oft mentioned as potential Pats prospects are:

Connor Barwin
Clay Matthews
Patrick Chung
Rashad Johnson

All, are not only good STers -- but outstanding.

An important side note to the topic is the subject of game actives vs inactives. It's almost disheartening to see a healthy rookie on the game inactive list, knowing he has zero chance of experiencing the all important game reps during his developmental process. No action usually means slower development. However, if the rookie can excel on ST, he'll have a game active status enabling him to develop quicker (at his position) given the opportunity to do so. Throughout the season, there are numerous situations which call for various schemes and sub-packages, and hopefully some blowouts, opening the door for said rookie -- especially the top draft picks. Sometimes the rookies are given opportunities because of injuries, but obviously -- this is not acceptable.

I'm sure we'd all like to see Barwin rushing the QB THIS season, rather than wait until 2010. I know I'd like to see Chung in game action also.

Those are just four names, but I'm certain there are other LBs and Safeties who are more than capable of earning their roster spots on ST. After the Pats draft, I'm sure BB will mention which of the draftees has strong ST skills...and some of us will already know.
 
LeKevin Smith, Stephen Neal, Russ Hochstein, Gary Guyton, Sammy Morris, Wesley Britt, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders, Mike Richardson, Antwain Spann, Jonathan Wilhite...

The offseason roster is full of Special Teams players, picking one or two to be pure Special Teamers is :confused2:
 
There are more than dozen key players on the various special teams units. My question is how many positions should be allocated, if any, for players with little future at another position.

For example, how does Slater make this team? How did he make it last year? He didn't make the team because he was the solid 6th receiver or 5th safety. He made the team because he was a special teams star, much as Izzo made the team these last few years. I believe Ventrone is and was in the same position. To label him as the #7 receiver as most did on the rosters seemed a bit silly. He was a top special teamer. Aiken was the #4 receiver, and perhaps would have made the team anyway, but Washington was used as a receiver.

So, to repeat. Which otherwise bubble players (or likely cuts) would you consider so good at special teams that you would make a spot for them anyway? My list includes Slater, Ventrone and Banta-Cain. I list banta-Cain because many think that he might not make the roser as an OLB. I disagree but include him because I would keep him in any case.



LeKevin Smith, Stephen Neal, Russ Hochstein, Gary Guyton, Sammy Morris, Wesley Britt, Brandon Meriweather, James Sanders, Mike Richardson, Antwain Spann, Jonathan Wilhite...

The offseason roster is full of Special Teams players, picking one or two to be pure Special Teamers is :confused2:
 
There are more than dozen key players on the various special teams units. My question is how many positions should be allocated, if any, for players with little future at another position.

For example, how does Slater make this team? How did he make it last year? He didn't make the team because he was the solid 6th receiver or 5th safety. He made the team because he was a special teams star, much as Izzo made the team these last few years. I believe Ventrone is and was in the same position. To label him as the #7 receiver as most did on the rosters seemed a bit silly. He was a top special teamer. Aiken was the #4 receiver, and perhaps would have made the team anyway, but Washington was used as a receiver.

So, to repeat. Which otherwise bubble players (or likely cuts) would you consider so good at special teams that you would make a spot for them anyway? My list includes Slater, Ventrone and Banta-Cain. I list banta-Cain because many think that he might not make the roser as an OLB. I disagree but include him because I would keep him in any case.
You are the one who likes to build 53 man rosters in March, I prefer to see a couple preseason games before writing people off.
 
Projecting rosters is no different than projecting draft choices. Either you want to speculate, do the analysis and discuss it or you don't.

Apparently for you, you need to wait until preseason games unitl you consider whether it it reasonable to have zero or ten players on the roster that will be expected to have reps at other positions.

No one can reasonably know the roster until Game 2, after the transactions after "final" cuts. No can can reasonably suggest who we should draft until we know who is available on draft day at each draft slot. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't speculate. That is what we do here.

You are the one who likes to build 53 man rosters in March, I prefer to see a couple preseason games before writing people off.
 
Projecting rosters is no different than projecting draft choices. Either you want to speculate, do the analysis and discuss it or you don't.

Apparently for you, you need to wait until preseason games unitl you consider whether it it reasonable to have zero or ten players on the roster that will be expected to have reps at other positions.

No one can reasonably know the roster until Game 2, after the transactions after "final" cuts. No can can reasonably suggest who we should draft until we know who is available on draft day at each draft slot. That doesn't mean that we shouldn't speculate. That is what we do here.
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Was Slater actually good on special teams last year? I don't remember it.

I do remember Ray Ventrone being good, and Mike Wright, and before them Kelley Washington. But the Pats really need a true special-teams ace. Guyton looks like he's not bad, but can he replace Izzo?
 
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