The BB drafts, summarized

[Fencer]

NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team has a convenient draft history.

2000 Brady, a couple of short-term starters or contributors, and a bunch of washouts

2001 One borderline HOFer, one borderline Pro Bowler, one borderline starter, and a bunch of washouts

2002 Three starters -- two of whom have minor places in the record books -- a starter-equivalent DL, a backup QB, and a washout

2003 Three Pro Bowlers or borderline Pro Bowlers, another starter

2004 A Pro Bowler, a so-so starter, and a lot of washouts

2005 A Pro Bowler, 3 so-so starters, and Cassel

2006 A Pro Bowl kicker, 2 borderline starters, and a couple of minor contributors

2007 A so-so starter, a contributor, and a bunch of washouts

2008 A DROY and a bunch of remains-to-be-seens

 

[JSn]

Dude, this thread was a good idea. The exclusion of names, however, have rendered it kind of worthless.

 

[mcsully]

Dude, this thread was a good idea. The exclusion of names, however, have rendered it kind of worthless.

psst.. click the link for the info your looking for..


Good thread.. Actually reviewing the draft, we've done well over the Years.. And even with some of those MISSES, they helped out atleast (ie. Kleko and Bethel Johnson)

 

[JSn]

psst.. click the link for the info your looking for..


Good thread.. Actually reviewing the draft, we've done well over the Years.. And even with some of those MISSES, they helped out atleast (ie. Kleko and Bethel Johnson)

I know, but it would be a lot better for discussion if they were in the thread itself, is all I'm saying.
I guess it would just make too much to talk about. I'm just curious how you track the wash-outs and such.

What happened to the Rd. 3 pick from 2007?

 

[ctpatsfan77]

I know, but it would be a lot better for discussion if they were in the thread itself, is all I'm saying.
I guess it would just make too much to talk about. I'm just curious how you track the wash-outs and such.

What happened to the Rd. 3 pick from 2007?

It's now the #47 pick in this year's draft.

 

[DarrylS]

Brandon Meriweather seems to be a shade above a so so starter.. thought he really started to emerge by the end of last season. Associating names with your assessments would have been helpful.

 

[Fencer]

Dude, this thread was a good idea. The exclusion of names, however, have rendered it kind of worthless.

I deliberately kept it uncluttered.

One of my points is that everybody remembers there was a slump, but might be getting fuzzy on how long it lasted. I think I provided at least an approximate answer -- with your own spin depending in part on how important you think the kicker position is.

 

[JSn]

I deliberately kept it uncluttered.

One of my points is that everybody remembers there was a slump, but might be getting fuzzy on how long it lasted. I think I provided at least an approximate answer -- with your own spin depending in part on how important you think the kicker position is.

Considering ours is our best scorer, hehe, pretty important?

Yeah, as DarrylS said, you've got subjective assessments, so trying to guess who you meant is tricky.

 

[Deus Irae]

This gets so very repetitive, so I'm not breaking down all of them. Here are two examples, though.....

2005 didn't produce "A Pro Bowler, 3 so-so starters, and Cassel". It Produced 5 starters in 7 picks.

Mankins
Sanders
Hobbs
Cassel
Kaczur
Claridge
Stokes

It did that despite the team drafting last.

2007 didn't produce "A so-so starter, a contributor, and a bunch of washouts". It produced a group of players which contributed hugely to a 16-0 season.

Meriweather
Welker (via traded pick(s))
Moss (via traded pick(s))
Brown
Oldenburg
Rogers
Richardson
Hairston
Hilliard
Lua
Elgin

And that was with 6 of the picks being 6th and 7th round picks trying to make what was an extremely deep team.

The drafts have been among the very best in the NFL.

 

[Leave No Doubt]

This gets so very repetitive, so I'm not breaking down all of them. Here are two examples, though.....

2005 didn't produce "A Pro Bowler, 3 so-so starters, and Cassel". It Produced 5 starters in 7 picks.

Mankins
Sanders
Hobbs
Cassel
Kaczur
Claridge
Stokes

It did that despite the team drafting last.

2007 didn't produce "A so-so starter, a contributor, and a bunch of washouts". It produced a group of players which contributed hugely to a 16-0 season.

Meriweather
Welker (via traded pick(s))
Moss (via traded pick(s))
Brown
Oldenburg
Rogers
Richardson
Hairston
Hilliard
Lua
Elgin

And that was with 6 of the picks being 6th and 7th round picks trying to make what was an extremely deep team.

The drafts have been among the very best in the NFL.

The bolds are a must-read for some people here

 

[blackglass3]

If anyone wants to see a bad draft, take a look at 97. Yeesh:ugh:

 

[PatsChamp88]

Yeah dooooooooooooooooood your forgetting Moss and Welker or are they still just so-so guys in your book

 

[jmt57]

I deliberately kept it uncluttered.

One of my points is that everybody remembers there was a slump, but might be getting fuzzy on how long it lasted. I think I provided at least an approximate answer -- with your own spin depending in part on how important you think the kicker position is.

Considering ours is our best scorer, hehe, pretty important?

You do realize that the kicker is the leading scorer on almost every NFL team, don't you?

Not trying to take anything away from Gostkowski; he is very accurate on FGs and has very good distance on his kickoffs, but being the team's leading scorer is a given.

 

[Jimke]

I wouldn't credit the Patriots with being among the best in the

NFL at drafting players. The Steelers, Colts, Chargers, and Giants

are the elite drafting teams. The Patriots had very good drafts in

2002, 2003, and 2005. In the other years, the first player or two

was generally a very good player but the others drafted were not

very good.

 

[Deus Irae]

I wouldn't credit the Patriots with being among the best in the

NFL at drafting players. The Steelers, Colts, Chargers, and Giants

are the elite drafting teams. The Patriots had very good drafts in

2002, 2003, and 2005. In the other years, the first player or two

was generally a very good player but the others drafted were not

very good.

Oh, for crying out loud. What the hell do you think happens with other teams?

 

[fair catch fryar]

I deliberately kept it uncluttered.

One of my points is that everybody remembers there was a slump, but might be getting fuzzy on how long it lasted. I think I provided at least an approximate answer -- with your own spin depending in part on how important you think the kicker position is.

Good idea. At least it focuses on what most here really like to chat or read about. Off-season football related.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Yeah dooooooooooooooooood your forgetting Moss and Welker or are they still just so-so guys in your book

.....They weren't drafted by the Pats, unless you want to count the picks given up towards them.

 

[JSn]

.....They weren't drafted by the Pats, unless you want to count the picks given up towards them.

uhuh-yipper.

 

[Deus Irae]

Steelers since 2005:

Heath Miller
Bryant McFadden
Trai Essex
Fred Gibson
Rian Wallace
Chris Kemoeatu
Shaun Nua
Noah Herron

Santonio Holmes
Anthony Smith
Willie Reid
Willie Colon
Orien Harris
Omar Jacobs
Charles Davis
Marvin Philip
Cedric Humes

Lawrence Timmons
Lamar Woodley
Matt Spaeth
Daniel Sepulveda
Ryan McBean
Cameron Stephenson
William Gay
Dallas Baker

Jeff Otah (Not actually drafted by Pittsburgh, this is erroneously listed here by NFL.com)
Rashard Mendenhall
Limas Sweed
Bruce Davis
Tony Hills
Dennis Dixon
Mike Humpal
Ryan Mundy

 

[Rob0729]

NFL Draft History: Full Draft - by Team has a convenient draft history.

2000 Brady, a couple of short-term starters or contributors, and a bunch of washouts

2001 One borderline HOFer, one borderline Pro Bowler, one borderline starter, and a bunch of washouts

2002 Three starters -- two of whom have minor places in the record books -- a starter-equivalent DL, a backup QB, and a washout

2003 Three Pro Bowlers or borderline Pro Bowlers, another starter

2004 A Pro Bowler, a so-so starter, and a lot of washouts

2005 A Pro Bowler, 3 so-so starters, and Cassel

2006 A Pro Bowl kicker, 2 borderline starters, and a couple of minor contributors

2007 A so-so starter, a contributor, and a bunch of washouts

2008 A DROY and a bunch of remains-to-be-seens

I think you are skewing it a bit.

1.) First, Benjamin Watson is not a so-so starter. You can label him a disapointment based on his position, but he is a pretty good TE. Not great by any stretch, but pretty good.
2.) I agree with the poster that Meriweather is better than a so-so starter.
3.) Your analysis fails to point out that the 2006 draft only had one pick in the first three rounds and only 3 picks in the first five. They had six picks in the sixth and seventh rounds and even on a bad team, sixth and seventh round picks are far from slam dunks.
4.) So far the 2008 draft has been a pretty good success. Wheatley looked to be coming on strong before he broke his wrist. O'Connell apears to be the #2 QB on the team which is what he was drafted for. Wilhite has been a solid contributor. Slater was a solid contributor on special teams which is good for a rookie 5th round pick. Ruud is still on the team which is good for a sixth rounder.
5.) Le Kevin Smith has been a homerun as a sixth round pick since he stepped in and started last year and played fairly well.
6.) You don't take into the fact that earlier in the decade, the Pats needed players to step in right away and start. Hence why some guys in later rounders got to play pretty quickly. Sometimes the difference between a later round pick being a solid starter or a guy who washes out of the league in a few years is more about opportunity than talent.

I think the decline in the Pats' drafts have been overstated. You put the Pats' drafts up against most other teams the last three or four years and they hold up pretty well.