Surpises Before The Draft

[mgteich]

The only surprises I expect before the draft are possible trades. Trades are no a surprise during Draft Weekend.

 

[KY Pats Fan]

Seymour for a 1st round pick.

 

[RobertWeathers]

I agree that trades are not a suprise but it's the type of trade that can be suprising. For example, I don't think anyone expected the Moss trade 2 years ago. Suspected maybe. Expected no.

I don't expect it but if Peppers and Suggs are to be acquired, I'm pretty sure it would be on draft day as the Pats and their trading partner to wait until the 11th hour.

 

[Jimke]

Seymour for a 1st round pick.

You're probably going to be ridiculed by most of the forum on

this one but the idea is not as nutty as it may appear. There

is no way Seymour will re-sign with the Patriots unless he is given

15 million per year with the same guaranteed money as Haynesworth.

If he is franchised, he will simply hold out. One factor would be whether

the pick is early first round.

 

[mgteich]

I don't that think that this is a nutty idea at all. We could then sign Jason Taylor, and use our new first on a DE and still draft a linebacker at 23, and an additional top 100 pick DT. I think that I would like to have a tentative extensioin of Jarvis Green in place (I think that this could be cap neutral).

DL: Warren, Wilfork, Green, 1st rounder or Seymour, Smith, Hood (3rd rounder)
LB: Taylor, Thomas, Mayo, 1st rounder, Guyton, Bruschi, Woods, TBC, Crable

The advantage of the frst rounder instead of Seymour is that the new player would have a 5 year contract and a cap hit in the $2.5M range as Mayo does.

You're probably going to be ridiculed by most of the forum on

this one but the idea is not as nutty as it may appear. There

is no way Seymour will re-sign with the Patriots unless he is given

15 million per year with the same guaranteed money as Haynesworth.

If he is franchised, he will simply hold out. One factor would be whether

the pick is early first round.

 

[mayoclinic]

I don't that think that this is a nutty idea at all. We could then sign Jason Taylor, and use our new first on a DE and still draft a linebacker at 23, and an additional top 100 pick DT. I think that I would like to have a tentative extensioin of Jarvis Green in place (I think that this could be cap neutral).

DL: Warren, Wilfork, Green, 1st rounder or Seymour, Smith, Hood (3rd rounder)
LB: Taylor, Thomas, Mayo, 1st rounder, Guyton, Bruschi, Woods, TBC, Crable

The advantage of the frst rounder instead of Seymour is that the new player would have a 5 year contract and a cap hit in the $2.5M range as Mayo does.

I've always liked that idea, if someone would give us a 1st rounder. There's no doubt Seymour is one of the best 3-4 DE's around, but between age, injuries and contract demands I think the Pats would be open to the right deal. I've always felt that Wilfork and Mankins would resign for reasonable deals but that Seymour was more of a Samuel-like "money first" kind of guy, and might end up being the hardest to resign, with a likely gap between what he thought he was worth and what the FO valued him at.

My question is, if GB or Denver were to offer their #2 for him, would you still bite? How much would it take? We could probably get Jarron Gilbert with that pick and groom him to be Seymour's replacement. What about a 2010 #1?

 

[TealSox]

My question is, if GB or Denver were to offer their #2 for him, would you still bite? How much would it take? We could probably get Jarron Gilbert with that pick and groom him to be Seymour's replacement. What about a 2010 #1?

Nah, I don't bite on it.

Having Seymour in a contract year and getting a compensation pick for him after he signs elsewhere is better than getting a second round pick. Hopefully he would play, like most do in their last years of their contract, all out and be the beast we know he can be. After that, he can get his money from the Broncos, Browns, Dolphins, Jets, etc and the Pats can plug the hole with either a 2009 rookie like Jarron Gilbert or draft a guy in 2010 (like the guy from Nebraska).

Hate to see him go to a rival, but if he is asking for Haynesworth money, than his contract will be the poison pill that restricts that team from making other moves in the future.

 

[Sleeping King]

No one is trading a 1st Round pick for Seymour. A lot of people on this board are bat s... crazy. Any team that traded for him would have the same problem the Pats will have next offseason in regards to trying to meet his insane contract demands.

 

[mgteich]

A 2010 is the same to me as a 2009 2nd. The 2011 comp pick is the same as a 2009 5th. So, yes, I would consider a 2009 2nd, if I liked some of the DE's.

I've always liked that idea, if someone would give us a 1st rounder. There's no doubt Seymour is one of the best 3-4 DE's around, but between age, injuries and contract demands I think the Pats would be open to the right deal. I've always felt that Wilfork and Mankins would resign for reasonable deals but that Seymour was more of a Samuel-like "money first" kind of guy, and might end up being the hardest to resign, with a likely gap between what he thought he was worth and what the FO valued him at.

My question is, if GB or Denver were to offer their #2 for him, would you still bite? How much would it take? We could probably get Jarron Gilbert with that pick and groom him to be Seymour's replacement. What about a 2010 #1?

 

[javajunky]

Seymour for a 1st round pick.

Why trade him this year when we can fanchise and trade him next year? It seems waiting year is like having your cake and getting to eat it too.

 

[fair catch fryar]

Why trade him this year when we can fanchise and trade him next year? It seems waiting year is like having your cake and getting to eat it too.

Because they may need to franchise someone like Wilfork.

 

[mgteich]

Or Mankins or Gost if we have a new CBA.

Because they may need to franchise someone like Wilfork.

 

[JackBauer]

Who in this draft could step right in as a 3-4 DE and play effectively? Seems awfully risky to me.

 

[mgteich]

Jarvis Green with LeKevin Smith as the backup

Who in this draft could step right in as a 3-4 DE and play effectively? Seems awfully risky to me.

 

[supafly]

Who in this draft could step right in as a 3-4 DE and play effectively? Seems awfully risky to me.

Seems risky to me too. Of course I'm still holding onto that small, remote chance that we can somehow come to terms with him. He is very important in our scheme, and always demands 2 guys. I know the argument is more about what we can do with him, rather than his worth to the defense. I however, believe that we should wait and see what may happen, specifically with the CBA. Big Sey's are not a dime a dozen in this league, and I think it would be a gamble to try and replace him.

 

[matt1073]

Seymour for a 1st round pick.

Dude I could see that happening too

 

[Water Boy]

Jarvis Green with LeKevin Smith as the backup

It makes you wonder why the Pats have not yet restructured Jarvis' $5million cap hit for 2009.

 

[billdog3484]

Seymour for a 1st round pick.

i doubt this is likely. look at miguels cap page. if we trade him we gain 3.4M in cap room. what could we do with that 3.4M that is better than seymour? i doubt anything, so i doubt anything will happen. this isnt madden 2009 for playstation. this is real football. seymour will be on our team in 09

 

[Hercules Rockefeller]

The reason why I would not make that trade is because, while it is nice to have future first round picks to re-stock the roster, Seymour is still a dominating player, and the goal is to win the Super Bowl this year. There is no trade for a future 1st rounder that gives them as good a chance to win as Seymour does. He's still a very effective player who other teams have to account for. So while I am usually all for banking future 1sts, Richard Seymour needs to only be concentrating on getting that fourth ring this year.

 

[DisgruntledTunaFan]

This is non-Pats related, but I think Ocho Cinco will get traded to a playoff contender either right before or on draft day.

I think the team that pulls it off could very well do it by giving up less than a 2nd rouder.