Cassel's contract (and effect on the deal)

[makewayhomer]

Cassel has not signed any new deal besides the 1 year franchise deal

I had assumed that any team trading for him would want a deal in place for the long term - otherwise they are risking a high draft pick for 1 year of a player, which is a disaster. this is of course what KC is currently risking.

is it possible that this is an angle many people are missing? KC paid less than many projected b/c they were willing to risk taking Cassel on without a long term deal.

Perhaps TB would have spent more but required a deal in hand. I mean, I can't imagine spending a 1st and 3rd and having no assurances that you are receiving more than 1 year in return.

side note to all this is that many people are may be underestimating what it will take to sign MC long term. he has $15m guaranteed for 1 year. how much guaranteed money would it take over 4 or 5 years? $25m? $35m? this may end up being a big sticking point

 

[psychoPat]

Cassel has not signed any new deal besides the 1 year franchise deal

I had assumed that any team trading for him would want a deal in place for the long term - otherwise they are risking a high draft pick for 1 year of a player, which is a disaster. this is of course what KC is currently risking.

is it possible that this is an angle many people are missing? KC paid less than many projected b/c they were willing to risk taking Cassel on without a long term deal.

Perhaps TB would have spent more but required a deal in hand. I mean, I can't imagine spending a 1st and 3rd and having no assurances that you are receiving more than 1 year in return.

side note to all this is that many people are may be underestimating what it will take to sign MC long term. he has $15m guaranteed for 1 year. how much guaranteed money would it take over 4 or 5 years? $25m? $35m? this may end up being a big sticking point

When this news came out (i saw it Saturday evening),
it cleared up all my perplexity.

Matt is going after the really big killing - not just a big killing -
and taking all the one-year-deal risk onto himself.
Grabbing for himself every morsel of value available in the transaction.

So much for any "gratitude to the club that nurtured him"
that we all were imputing to him.
<sigh> Ah, well.

 

[nowayback]

definately had an impact! on the one hand i am glad...i can root against him.

he was really willin got stay with pats for 15 mil.....then he wouls see what was out there.

 

[VJCPatriot]

It's actually in Cassel's best interest to sign a fat long term deal ASAP than risk waiting a year and having a mediocre performance drive his market value down. Cassel is now the man in KC. I think his agent is negotiating as we speak but it shouldn't take too long to happen. KC also presumably doesn't want to be stuck with a 14.6M cap hit this year and can reduce that greatly with a new contract.

 

[Frezo]

Is there a possibility that further compensation could be forthcoming when Cassel signs a long term contract?

 

[makewayhomer]

It's actually in Cassel's best interest to sign a fat long term deal ASAP than risk waiting a year and having a mediocre performance drive his market value down. Cassel is now the man in KC. I think his agent is negotiating as we speak but it shouldn't take too long to happen. KC also presumably doesn't want to be stuck with a 14.6M cap hit this year and can reduce that greatly with a new contract.

sure - but what kind of contract is acceptable. remember he is making $15m guaranteed for 1 year.

I think the floor is the Aaron Rodgers/Garrard contracts which had $20m in guaranteed money. and I doubt that would be enough - neither of those guys had $15m guaranteed sitting in their back pocket

more likely he is looking for a Tony Romo deal with $30m guaranteed

 

[VJCPatriot]

sure - but what kind of contract is acceptable. remember he is making $15m guaranteed for 1 year.

I think the floor is the Aaron Rodgers/Garrard contracts which had $20m in guaranteed money. and I doubt that would be enough - neither of those guys had $15m guaranteed sitting in their back pocket

more likely he is looking for a Tony Romo deal with $30m guaranteed

I'm thinking Aaron Rodgers money. I think we'll know pretty soon when the ink finally dries on the contract. The media is going to be all over that one.

 

[stinkypete]

sure - but what kind of contract is acceptable. remember he is making $15m guaranteed for 1 year.

I think the floor is the Aaron Rodgers/Garrard contracts which had $20m in guaranteed money. and I doubt that would be enough - neither of those guys had $15m guaranteed sitting in their back pocket

more likely he is looking for a Tony Romo deal with $30m guaranteed

I think the Romo deal is just about what Cassel would get long-term. A solid year in KC and he could demand some serious money.

 

[Rob0729]

Personally, I was always perplexed why Cassel signed the franchise tender and thought it wasn't in his best interest. I always thought all along that there could be a team that was willing to trade for Cassel without doing a new deal. It actually may be the be smarter way to deal with Cassel if you have any doubts about him.

Now Pioli can easily fit him under the cap with the franchise tender. If he pans out, Pioli gives him a big long term deal or franchises him again. If he craps the bed, all Pioli is out is a second round pick and $14.6 million rather than $20-30 million in guarantees (or based on the contracts this year, maybe $30-40 million).

 

[PromisedLand]

Is there a possibility that further compensation could be forthcoming when Cassel signs a long term contract?

That's a really good question. I would assume that the answer is no, but I'd like to hear from one of our CBA experts on whether that would be legal under the CBA.

 

[Fencer]

Cassel has not signed any new deal besides the 1 year franchise deal

I had assumed that any team trading for him would want a deal in place for the long term - otherwise they are risking a high draft pick for 1 year of a player, which is a disaster. this is of course what KC is currently risking.

is it possible that this is an angle many people are missing? KC paid less than many projected b/c they were willing to risk taking Cassel on without a long term deal.

Perhaps TB would have spent more but required a deal in hand. I mean, I can't imagine spending a 1st and 3rd and having no assurances that you are receiving more than 1 year in return.

side note to all this is that many people are may be underestimating what it will take to sign MC long term. he has $15m guaranteed for 1 year. how much guaranteed money would it take over 4 or 5 years? $25m? $35m? this may end up being a big sticking point

I agree completely, and have been saying this repeatedly.

 

[mgteich]

As many of us have said since the tag was first suggested, placing a tag on Cassel put him in the driver's seat. He called the shots once he signed. How many teams does anyone think offered the patriots a first WITH NO SIGNED DEAL WITH CASSEL? I believe the answer is exactly one. Maybe there is a handshake agreement that Cassel will work in good faith to negoatiate a long-term deal with KC. So what! It is Cassel who has the $14.6M guaranteed as a start of a deal that he must accept. If Cassel made that representation, perhaps Pioli would believe that they could get it done. Would other teams take the same chance? In the end, it is both Pioli's and Cassel's interest to get a deal done. But if there is no deal, Cassel is in fine shape.

 

[Fencer]

It's actually in Cassel's best interest to sign a fat long term deal ASAP than risk waiting a year and having a mediocre performance drive his market value down. Cassel is now the man in KC. I think his agent is negotiating as we speak but it shouldn't take too long to happen. KC also presumably doesn't want to be stuck with a 14.6M cap hit this year and can reduce that greatly with a new contract.

Maybe, but HOW fat it is starts from the negotiating position that he can play one year for millions of dollars more than he's actually worth.

 

[Frezo]

That's a really good question. I would assume that the answer is no, but I'd like to hear from one of our CBA experts on whether that would be legal under the CBA.

I don't see why not. It could have gone something like this.

Pioli: "Bill, I understand that you want the cap space right now, but it will take some time to finalize a contract with Matt. I will trade the 2nd round pick for the tendered contract and Vrabel. If/when a contract is signed, we'll change the compensation to...."

Belichick: "Thanks my friend. That works for me."

 

[Fencer]

That's a really good question. I would assume that the answer is no, but I'd like to hear from one of our CBA experts on whether that would be legal under the CBA.

I doubt it's a CBA question. The CBA restricts what kinds of incentives can be in player contracts, but I doubt it speaks to terms among teams on trades.

 

[Fencer]

I don't see why not. It could have gone something like this.

Pioli: "Bill, I understand that you want the cap space right now, but it will take some time to finalize a contract with Matt. I will trade the 2nd round pick for the tendered contract and Vrabel. If/when a contract is signed, we'll change the compensation to...."

Belichick: "Thanks my friend. That works for me."

I'd say it didn't happen, because if it did than the press release is false as written.

 

[Rob0729]

As many of us have said since the tag was first suggested, placing a tag on Cassel put him in the driver's seat. He called the shots once he signed. How many teams does anyone think offered the patriots a first WITH NO SIGNED DEAL WITH CASSEL? I believe the answer is exactly one. Maybe there is a handshake agreement that Cassel will work in good faith to negoatiate a long-term deal with KC. So what! It is Cassel who has the $14.6M guaranteed as a start of a deal that he must accept. If Cassel made that representation, perhaps Pioli would believe that they could get it done. Would other teams take the same chance? In the end, it is both Pioli's and Cassel's interest to get a deal done. But if there is no deal, Cassel is in fine shape.

How exactly did he get put in the driver's seat. If I remember correctly, you said exactly zero teams would trade for Cassel without a deal done. Maybe Pioli feels either Cassel will sign a contract under his terms or he is happy to keep him as a one year tender and franchise him or resign him next year.

Pioli had to go into this trade knowing there is a real possibility that he and Cassel will not get a long term deal done. Or a deal would already be in place. Pioli is rolling the dice.

As for another team being willing to roll the dice, we may never know. We do know that one would and that is one more than most people on this board thought would roll the dice and trade for Cassel without a deal in place.

If you look at the contracts being thrown around out there, the fact that next year may be an uncapped year, and even Pioli may have some doubt whether Cassel will be the real deal; I don't think Pioli is under any pressure to get a deal done this season. If Cassel is reasonable in his demands, fine. Otherwise, the Chiefs can give him a year tryout and then franchise him or let him go next year depending how he turns out. Considering this is the QB position, the franchise number isn't much higher than his salaries and guarantees.

 

[mgteich]

I continue to be amazed at those who suggest that Matt Cassel is worth anywhere near $14.6M for his services in the 2009 season, especially for a poor team. My congratulations to Matt, his agent, and the media, on their joint campaign to make Matt rich.

BTW, I think we did very well to get the #34 pick in this draft for Matt. If we had traded with Tenn, most would have agreed since we would have gotten a first. I suspect most would have agreed if we received a 2010 1st and 3nd which, depending on team, is about the same in value to what we got.

Before the hype, most of us would have been fine with a 2010 first or the #34 in this draft.

How exactly did he get put in the driver's seat. If I remember correctly, you said exactly zero teams would trade for Cassel without a deal done. Maybe Pioli feels either Cassel will sign a contract under his terms or he is happy to keep him as a one year tender and franchise him or resign him next year.

Pioli had to go into this trade knowing there is a real possibility that he and Cassel will not get a long term deal done. Or a deal would already be in place. Pioli is rolling the dice.

As for another team being willing to roll the dice, we may never know. We do know that one would and that is one more than most people on this board thought would roll the dice and trade for Cassel without a deal in place.

If you look at the contracts being thrown around out there, the fact that next year may be an uncapped year, and even Pioli may have some doubt whether Cassel will be the real deal; I don't think Pioli is under any pressure to get a deal done this season. If Cassel is reasonable in his demands, fine. Otherwise, the Chiefs can give him a year tryout and then franchise him or let him go next year depending how he turns out. Considering this is the QB position, the franchise number isn't much higher than his salaries and guarantees.

 

[makewayhomer]

Personally, I was always perplexed why Cassel signed the franchise tender and thought it wasn't in his best interest. I always thought all along that there could be a team that was willing to trade for Cassel without doing a new deal. It actually may be the be smarter way to deal with Cassel if you have any doubts about him.

no no no. MC taking $15m guaranteed was a great move. his worst case scenario is now being set for life. his best case scenario is...much better.

wo the tag teams wouldn't have had to bid against the $15m min guaranteed now someone will.
b/c:

Now Pioli can easily fit him under the cap with the franchise tender. If he pans out, Pioli gives him a big long term deal or franchises him again. If he craps the bed, all Pioli is out is a second round pick and $14.6 million rather than $20-30 million in guarantees (or based on the contracts this year, maybe $30-40 million).

spending pick 34 on 1 year of a decent player is a disaster. it's a complete waste

the only way this is close is if this 1 year gets you a SB win. but the Chiefs have no designs on this this year

 

[mgteich]

Spending Pick #34 and $14.6M is even worse.

spending pick 34 on 1 year of a decent player is a disaster. it's a complete waste

the only way this is close is if this 1 year gets you a SB win. but the Chiefs have no designs on this this year