Free Agency - Wide Receivers of interest

[stinkypete]

Whatever Henderson's deal is, I don't think he fits in this offense. We've seen several one-dimensional, deep threat type WRs pass through this system...Bethel Johnson, Andre Davis, Donte Stallworth...and none of them panned out. And now, in 2009, we don't even need that type of player, we have it in Moss.

I'm interested in Bryant Johnson or Michael Clayton. Both fit the mold of the bigger, intermediate route and sideline receiver. Clayton has disappointed for a 1st round pick, but he is a beast of a blocker and bounced back a bit last year. Johnson has been Mr. Consistent, sure handed and good for 40 catches per year.

 

[JSn]

Think we'd trade a pick for Ocho Cinco? I'm all about trying to see SOME Bengal succeed. I think he'd be a fit, and getting him in a trade would make him affordable. Almost a prove-it deal.

I believe it's documented that Bill likes the crazy clown, too.

 

[RunOut]

Speaking of Saints wide receivers who probably won't be on the team next year, what do people think of Lance Moore? He's an RFA, but he'll probably get tendered low since the Saints are desperate for draft picks--I think they only have their first rounder and then the fourth rounder and below.

I'm not nearly as knowledgeable about football as some, but do people think he'd be a good fit? Good hands and route running skills will the occaisonal big play capability. It seems like he really developed nicely last year, and if I have to watch him on any team other than the Saints, I want it to be the Pats. My only concern is that he's more of a Welker-like, short to medium range type receiver, if that makes sense.

 

[DaBruinz]

DaBruinz, "he has no heart" can be used in a variety of contexts, among those, a lack of passion. Your only claim to back up what I consider to be a ridiculous assessment, seems to be his lower than fantastic statistics, specifically his catch total.

I didn't say he has no heart. I said I felt that his heart wasn't in it.

Does he not block? Does he not try his best when he does get playing time? Is he known as a poor locker room presence or a slacker in the weight room?

I'd give you all the lenience in the world to hate on his skills as a player, but at no point in his career have I heard anybody question his EFFORT.

People have questions why he's not stepped up when given the opportunity. And he's been given numerous ones.

Stallworth 296 catches 70 20+ and 13 40+ yarders
Henderson 106 catches 39 20+ yarders 18 40+ yarders.

He is a one-trick pony who would bring a dangerous element to our offense for CHEAP, while never causing any problems and going about his business. If he is more expensive, than fine... that will be the reason we don't sign him.

Keep in mind, he did all of this with less than potent QBs. Drew Brees is lucky to throw a 50 yarder in a perfect world.

Drew Brees is a damn good QB and he can toss the ball with the best of them. In fact, Brees has been amongst the top 5 in long passes in the last few years..

But anyways. I just don't believe he's a good fit. I have my reasons. You and Tombonneau disagree. That's fine. But don't misquote me and put words in my mouth. Its my beliefe that the Pats need more from the WR that lines up opposite Moss than a one trick pony. Its my belief that the Pats won't look at that in a player.

 

[Synovia]

Whatever Henderson's deal is, I don't think he fits in this offense. We've seen several one-dimensional, deep threat type WRs pass through this system...Bethel Johnson, Andre Davis, Donte Stallworth...and none of them panned out. And now, in 2009, we don't even need that type of player, we have it in Moss..

Did you even watch 2007? Stallworth was anything but a "on-dimensional deep threat". Most of the balls he caught were short, followed by him running someone over.

He had what, 700 yards receiving? If his contract had been $1M a year, he'd still be here. He "panned out," but just wasn't worth the huge money to keep when we were already dropping $10M/yr into Moss.

 

[Synovia]

Think we'd trade a pick for Ocho Cinco? I'm all about trying to see SOME Bengal succeed. I think he'd be a fit, and getting him in a trade would make him affordable. Almost a prove-it deal.

I believe it's documented that Bill likes the crazy clown, too.

If he'd be cheap, I think BIll would be all over it. Hes an elite talent.


I think Cincy is looking for big picks though.

 

[DaBruinz]

Did you even watch 2007? Stallworth was anything but a "on-dimensional deep threat". Most of the balls he caught were short, followed by him running someone over.

He had what, 700 yards receiving? If his contract had been $1M a year, he'd still be here. He "panned out," but just wasn't worth the huge money to keep when we were already dropping $10M/yr into Moss.

Did you watch 2007? By the end of the year, Stallworth was riding the bench behind Gaffney? Stallworth didn't run people over. He ran around them or made them miss. But it doesn't change the fact that he was benched because he wasn't making the pre-snap reads he needed to make and wasn't making the adjustments he needed for Brady to have faith in his (Stallworth's) abilities to run the correct route.

 

[Synovia]

Did you watch 2007? By the end of the year, Stallworth was riding the bench behind Gaffney? Stallworth didn't run people over. He ran around them or made them miss. But it doesn't change the fact that he was benched because he wasn't making the pre-snap reads he needed to make and wasn't making the adjustments he needed for Brady to have faith in his (Stallworth's) abilities to run the correct route.

Yes, and I still think if his contract was small, he'd be on the team.

Stallworth didn't just run around people. He made frequent use of a stiff arm.

 

[DaBruinz]

Yes, and I still think if his contract was small, he'd be on the team.

Stallworth didn't just run around people. He made frequent use of a stiff arm.

A stiff arm isn't running through people. Its running around them and keeping them at a distance... And, I think your wrong. Stallworth was gone regardless of where his contract was at. Because he didn't have Brady's trust. Its the same reason the Pats parted ways with Chad Jackson. Jackson didn't earn Brady's trust.

 

[Warren94]

Jackson sucked well because he was a work-out warrior and our scouts were fooled.

 

[DaBruinz]

Jackson sucked well because he was a work-out warrior and our scouts were fooled.

So was Bill Belichick. Who interviewed Jackson. and tested Jackson on game film and adjustments and such. And Jackson was more than a workout warrior.

Anyways.. he's gone so what does it matter.

 

[Synovia]

. Its the same reason the Pats parted ways with Chad Jackson. Jackson didn't earn Brady's trust.

The Pats parted ways with Chad Jackson because he blew his knee out and wasn't a good football player when he came back. NOt because of any trust issues.

 

[DaBruinz]

The Pats parted ways with Chad Jackson because he blew his knee out and wasn't a good football player when he came back. NOt because of any trust issues.

Wrong... Reiss came out and said it was trust issues..

 

[mmasterkillah]

In regards to DaBruinz and Devery Henderson, "I felt that his heart wasn't in it" would tend to mean the same thing as "he plays with no heart". If his heart isn't in "the game", than it means he plays with "no heart", am I right? You can't just argue away from the original content of your posts and blame it on other's reading comprehension skills instead of terrible analysis on your behalf.

If you question his effort because he hasn't "stepped up" when others have been injured, it is probably more likely that he gives the game his full effort all the time, and he is just a C+, B- level WR who can do one thing very well.

Is every average receiver just average because they don't give effort?
Also, if you think Brees has a strong deep ball, you need to watch more Saints football. Watch some game tapes and you'll notice that if he gets full force behind the ball it will go maybe 50 yards. I am not disputing that he is a good QB, but he is not strong at downfield passing.

 

[Kontradiction]

I would love to see either Nate Washington or Devrey Henderson in a Pats uniform next year, particularly Washington. Moss, Welker, and Washington would be a very dangerous three way combination.

 

[shakadave]

My vote would be Nate Washington as well. Just once I'd like to sign a free agent who isn't 34.

 

[ivanvamp]

I am going to focus on areas of need first and then other potential signings 2nd. I used the KFFL website since they seem to have upgraded their section and its now pretty extensive.

WR:
Antonio Bryant was franchised by the Buccaneers. That leaves the following:

KFFL - 2009 NFL Free Agents

People are going to gravitate to guys like Houshmandzadeh (who’s ego is bigger than his ability) and Henderson (a perpetual underachiever). I don’t care for either. I was looking for a guy to put opposite Moss who could run the more intermediate routes. And I came up with the following:

Bobby Engram – Seattle – Solid performer. Clutch. 36 years old
Shaun McDonald – Detroit
Nate Washington – Pittsburgh
Drew Bennett – St Louis
Michael Clayton – Tampa
Laverneus Coles – NY Jets
Ronald Curry - Oakland
Bryant Johnson – San Francisco
Reggie Williams – Jacksonville

Boldin is rumored to be on the trading block. But its doubtful that the Pats are willing to pay him what he’s looking for.

I cannot understand, for the life of me, why people are down on Houshmandzadeh in this group. The guy is *great*.

2006 - 90 rec, 1081 yds, 9 td
2007 - 112 rec, 1143 yds, 12 td
2008 - 92 rec, 904 yds, 4 td - with *Ryan Fitzpatrick* throwing him the ball...with an even halfway decent QB, Housh ends up with 110-120 rec, 1200+ yds, and a bunch more td.

He's not a burner, but he's a tremendous receiver. If anyone is going to point out a few drops he's had, I would simply state that all receivers have some drops. Anyone recall Randy Moss dropping two huge passes against Pittsburgh this year?

If we could get Housh for $3 million a year, it would be an absolutely great move for this offense. Brady throwing to Moss, Housh, and Welker in a 3-wr set......it would be incredible.

Another guy I'd consider is Furrey. He's pretty solid too.

 

[JSn]

Torry Holt is on the block for low picks. Worth exploring for a 5th or 6th? I don't know much about the guy. Any info?

 

[DW Toys]

I cannot understand, for the life of me, why people are down on Houshmandzadeh in this group. The guy is *great*.

2006 - 90 rec, 1081 yds, 9 td
2007 - 112 rec, 1143 yds, 12 td
2008 - 92 rec, 904 yds, 4 td - with *Ryan Fitzpatrick* throwing him the ball...with an even halfway decent QB, Housh ends up with 110-120 rec, 1200+ yds, and a bunch more td.

He's not a burner, but he's a tremendous receiver. If anyone is going to point out a few drops he's had, I would simply state that all receivers have some drops. Anyone recall Randy Moss dropping two huge passes against Pittsburgh this year?

If we could get Housh for $3 million a year, it would be an absolutely great move for this offense. Brady throwing to Moss, Housh, and Welker in a 3-wr set......it would be incredible.

Another guy I'd consider is Furrey. He's pretty solid too.

You have an ally on TJ. He found his ask was too high (sounds familiar this weekend?). Everyone says age. He is the same as TB and Randy Moss! Take a shot with him on a two year. We draft a WR BB won't play him until year two (unless you are Mayo) anyway.
DW Toys

 

[mgteich]

Holt would be a great addition. He and Houz are by far the best receivers available. Both will want a lot of money, and both are well worth the money. We badly need a second deep threat who is actually a wide receiver. We shouldn't need to rely on Watson and Faulk as the complement to Moss. Welker should be able to play the slot. And, to state the obvious, the offense is screwed if either Moss or Welker is out for a game or two. Our #3 is Aiken!!!

Torry Holt is on the block for low picks. Worth exploring for a 5th or 6th? I don't know much about the guy. Any info?