Do you still want Peppers if...

[PatsDparty]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

Schefter on WEEI this am said there is no way Peppers is coming to the Pats.

I think that's the exact opposite of what he said. I only heard the end but he said it would be a good fit for the Pats, and that Peppers would want to come here (the only afc team on his wishlist).

 

[MassPats38]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

If Peppers wants to play LB in a 3-4 scheme, he should expect to be paid as a LB in a 3-4. If he wants to play his position, DE in a 43 scheme, he can expect to be paid for that. It would take a pretty stupid team personnel office to make him the highest paid LB in a 3-4 when he has no real track record in that position. The franchise value for a linebacker is $8.3 million. meaning the average of the top 5 highest paid LBs for that position. Is Peppers a top 5 linebacker right now? Does he expect something in the vicinity of $17 million to play LB?

No way is Peppers worth twice the franchise tag as a LB right now. If he believes he should be the highest paid LB at this point, there is no way that deal gets done. The problem is the Pats could justify a higher value if they were going to use him as a DE in a 43 scheme and a linebacker in the 34 scheme for different looks, but that would seem to run counter to what Peppers wants to do, which is get away from the 43 DE role.

He is an interesting case given the diversity of roles he could perform and his talent, but if his ego is making him believe he is high-priced at any position, he does not have the brains to make this transition happen.

 

[BPF]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

I think that's the exact opposite of what he said. I only heard the end but he said it would be a good fit for the Pats, and that Peppers would want to come here (the only afc team on his wishlist).

Nothing to do with Peppers but that the deal is not happening is what I meant he said.

 

[mayoclinic]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

If Peppers wants to play LB in a 3-4 scheme, he should expect to be paid as a LB in a 3-4. If he wants to play his position, DE in a 43 scheme, he can expect to be paid for that. It would take a pretty stupid team personnel office to make him the highest paid LB in a 3-4 when he has no track record in that position. The franchise value for a linebacker is $8.3 million. meaning the average of the top 5 highest paid LBs for that position. Is Peppers a top 5 linebacker right now? Does he expect something in the vicinity of $17 million to play LB?

No way is Peppers worth twice the franchise tag as a LB right now. If he believes he should be the highest paid LB at this point, there is no way that deal gets done. The problem is the Pats could justify a higher value if they were going to use him as a DE in a 43 scheme and a linebacker in the 34 scheme for different looks, but that would seem to run counter to what Peppers wants to do, which is get away from the 43 DE role.

He is an interesting case given the diversity of roles he could perform and his talent, but if his ego is making him believe he is high-priced at any position, he does not have the brains to make this transition happen.

Nicely said. If Peppers wants to play here for something similar to what Dansby or Suggs are making, then I'm for it. If he wants $14+M/year, then no way. It all comes down to how serious he is about wanting to play in the 3-4 as an OLB and play for a winner.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

What were people expecting Peppers to want? I mean, he is a top tier D-lineman just like haynesworth. I know they play different positions on the line but Peppers pass rush ability makes him a hot commodity. I know that he is talking about wanting to play in a 3-4 and here that would be at OLB, but I do not think he is going to want less money because of a position change. What type of contract would you want him to sign for here that would make you feel comfortable?

I don't think anyone begrudges him the fact that he wants it. We just all understand that if that is what he wants, then he's not going to get it from the Pats.

 

[BradyFTW!]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

Lets sign this guy, keep him at DE and trade Seymour at the draft for someone's first next year ..

hahahaha.... no. Seymour's a better 3-4 DE than Peppers will ever be.

 

[chris_in_sunnyvale]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

What? Since when did Peppers become *the* premiere DE/OLB in the NFL? He's good, really good, but he's not Reggie White circa 1987.

Regards,
Chris

 

[They_Hate_We]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

he'd probably end up being what we hoped Rosie would be for us (before he got hurt). Nice addition, but only at a reasonable pricetag.

 

[BradyBranch39]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

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[AzPatsFan]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

NO ! NADA! NYET! Negative! NON!

 

[bakes781]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

I think that's the exact opposite of what he said. I only heard the end but he said it would be a good fit for the Pats, and that Peppers would want to come here (the only afc team on his wishlist).

Yeah but I heard Dale Arnold say that Scheffter later texted D&C saying that a deal for Peppers won't happen.

 

[Synovia]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

What? Since when did Peppers become *the* premiere DE/OLB in the NFL? He's good, really good, but he's not Reggie White circa 1987.

Regards,
Chris

I dunno. Peppers is a great pass rusher and elite run stopper. He can drop back and play coverage.. Hes, IMO, the best FULL DE in the league. THere are better pass rushers than him, but nobody is the complete package he is.


Still, 8M for Suggs would have been a MUCH safer option. OLB isn't DE.

 

[Pats726]

Re: Do you still want Peppers if....

I dunno. Peppers is a great pass rusher and elite run stopper. He can drop back and play coverage.. Hes, IMO, the best FULL DE in the league. THere are better pass rushers than him, but nobody is the complete package he is.


Still, 8M for Suggs would have been a MUCH safer option. OLB isn't DE.

I am not sure where Peppers would be in a 3-4..OLB?? The complete package for...a 4-3??? NO money for that..not Haynesworth money..

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

I don't think contracts as big as the one Haynesworth just signed are really a viable way to build a successful franchise. I would only be looking to sign a true 1st ballot HOF --best at his position in the NFL-- type player during a chunk of his prime years to an NFL record sized deal... is that the book on Peppers right now? I've not studied him much.

 

[Synovia]

I don't think contracts as big as the one Haynesworth just signed are really a viable way to build a successful franchise. I would only be looking to sign a true 1st ballot HOF --best at his position in the NFL-- type player during a chunk of his prime years to an NFL record sized deal... is that the book on Peppers right now? I've not studied him much.

Haynesworth IS the best in his position at the NFL. And 100M for 7 Million a year comes to an AAV of 14.2M, or about 11% of the current cap. IIRC, when Seymour signed his extention, it was at about 10% of the cap(8ish M of 85). Freeney's deal was 72M for 6 years, or 12/yr, or 10.4% of the cap.

The cap keeps getting bigger, so we should have record setting deals every year.

 

[ForThoseAboutToRock]

Haynesworth IS the best in his position at the NFL. And 100M for 7 Million a year comes to an AAV of 14.2M, or about 11% of the current cap. IIRC, when Seymour signed his extention, it was at about 10% of the cap(8ish M of 85). Freeney's deal was 72M for 6 years, or 12/yr, or 10.4% of the cap.

The cap keeps getting bigger, so we should have record setting deals every year.

Ok, then possibly the first part of my comment about big contracts being bad for franchises is wrong (there's lots of evidence to suggest this, of course) but the second half of the comment was about whether Peppers deserves to be given a similar distinction as Haynesworth.

Edit, also, thanks for the interesting comment about contract size with respect to % of cap, I hadn't ever really looked at a deal that way.

 

[Synovia]

Ok, then possibly the first part of my comment about big contracts being bad for franchises is wrong (there's lots of evidence to suggest this, of course)

The problem isn't huge contracts, its when you get huge contracts for players who aren't elite. Giving 10+% of your cap is fine if its Manning or Brady or Freeney or Randy Moss or some other elite player, the problem is when you give up 8% of your cap to someone who isn't that good.


If Peppers plays 4-3 DE, I think he does deserve to be treated like Haynesworth. If he wants to play 3-4LB, then hes a good prospect. Hes going to take time. And, because of that, he deserves less money.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Wow Redskins managed to sign BOTH Haynesworth and Hall?? How the hell did they fit them under the cap? I was under the impression that they were among the 5 teams with the LEAST cap space available??!

I think that Peppers will want more money than Bart Scott. If they get Peppers the Pats will probably end up paying about 9M per year with a fat signing bonus.

 

[Synovia]

Wow Redskins managed to sign BOTH Haynesworth and Hall?? How the hell did they fit them under the cap? I was under the impression that they were among the 5 teams with the LEAST cap space available??!

They cut a whole bunch of people, like Shawn SPrings.