If Andre Smith is there at 23....

[midwestpatsfan]

Do you take him? He has great talent, but he did not handle the combine well at all and will fall because of the question marks that are starting to mount with him. That being said, he has top 10 talent, so do you pull the trigger on a troubled talent like this?

 

[DaBruinz]

Do you take him? He has great talent, but he did not handle the combine well at all and will fall because of the question marks that are starting to mount with him. That being said, he has top 10 talent, so do you pull the trigger on a troubled talent like this?

I'll be honest. I don't think he was a top 10 talent. First off, he had a very quick rise thanks to the draftniks. But he missed his Bowl game because of disciplinary reasons. And then he didn't look all that great at the Senior Bowl. Then his actions at the combine came across as immature excuses. I think the Pats pass on him. Particularly since Saban does carry some clout with BB.

 

[Ochmed Jones]

I'll be honest. I don't think he was a top 10 talent. First off, he had a very quick rise thanks to the draftniks. But he missed his Bowl game because of disciplinary reasons. And then he didn't look all that great at the Senior Bowl. Then his actions at the combine came across as immature excuses. I think the Pats pass on him. Particularly since Saban does carry some clout with BB.

He was at the senior bowl?

 

[bakes781]

I actually don't think he falls quite as far as most are predicting. I think he could go as high as #8 to Jacksonville, but no lower than Chicago at #18.

 

[mayoclinic]

I actually don't think he falls quite as far as most are predicting. I think he could go as high as #8 to Jacksonville, but no lower than Chicago at #18.

He'll regroup and have a solid Pro Day, and people will chalk all this up to his youth and inexperience. In the end, he will go top 15, probably top 10. Can't see him getting past Washington at #13 as things stand right now. As you mention, Jacksonville at #8 is also a possibility.

 

[midwestpatsfan]

no offense bakes and mayo, but you didn't answer my question. What if he falls to the pats? do you think they would take him IF he fell that far

 

[mayoclinic]

no offense bakes and mayo, but you didn't answer my question. What if he falls to the pats? do you think they would take him IF he fell that far

I personally don't think he fits the Pats system that well - he's more of a road grader than a ZBS kind of guy, and he's best in the run. However, I'm sure that Belichick will be getting a lot of info on him from Saban. If Saban trashes the kid for his lack of maturity and work ethic, then he's off our board altogether. If Saban raves about him, it may go a long way.

I didn't answer your question because it will all depend who else is available at #23. He may be better value than the players currently being discussed, but it's hard to speculate in a vacuum. If I had to guess right now, I would say he gets a serious look, but we pass.

 

[bakes781]

Like mayo said I don't think he fits what they look for in an OT. Maybe if he could play guard?

 

[VJCPatriot]

I don't think he's a fit and he has some character flags. I don't see the Pats spending a 1st round pick on an RT with attitude/maturity issues.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Yes, they would treat him as the next coming of the falling Wilfork. Mayock quotes the proverb, " Those that won't, are no better than those that can't." I think that definitely applies to a Micheal Johnson. Avoid him like the plague.

Smith has never been criticized as lazy. He may well be immature, and he is an underclassman. The only criticism was his weight. So he attempted to do something about that.

He was benched by Saban, as he is required, for violating a stupid, and probably illegal NCAA rule, about not being able to contact or talk to an Agent. Can you not seek a lawyer's counsel at any time that you desire, or hire one? I believe there is an item in the Bill of Rights about that. (Actually, he could probably make millions in a Court test, but it would interfere with his football career.)

As regards his presence at the combine, that was handled poorly, I admit.

But he did say he was not going to participate, as he was not prepared for the combine events. He was certainly on a diet, and lost more than 18 pounds between the Senior bowl and the Combine, and made sure to be measured and document that fact. So he was doing something, and not just loafing. He informed every one on day one, at the combine, of that. And he would depend on his superb film grades, and his Pro day.

Not being available the next day is an easy mistake that more than likely devolves on his Agent, than him.

He won't be there at #23.

 

[dryheat44]

Do you take him? He has great talent, but he did not handle the combine well at all and will fall because of the question marks that are starting to mount with him. That being said, he has top 10 talent, so do you pull the trigger on a troubled talent like this?

I've got him as a third round value for the Patriots, so no.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Yes, they would treat him as the next coming of the falling Wilfork. Mayock quotes the proverb, " Those that won't, are no better than those that can't." I think that definitely applies to a Micheal Johnson. Avoid him like the plague.

Smith has never been criticized as lazy. He may well be immature, and he is an underclassman. The only criticism was his weight. So he attempted to do something about that.

He was benched by Saban, as he is required, for violating a stupid, and probably illegal NCAA rule, about not being able to contact or talk to an Agent. Can you not seek a lawyer's counsel at any time that you desire, or hire one? I believe there is an item in the Bill of Rights about that. (Actually, he could probably make millions in a Court test, but it would interfere with his football career.)

As regards his presence at the combine, that was handled poorly, I admit.

But he did say he was not going to participate, as he was not prepared for the combine events. He was certainly on a diet, and lost more than 18 pounds between the Senior bowl and the Combine, and made sure to be measured and document that fact. So he was doing something, and not just loafing. He informed every one on day one, at the combine, of that. And he would depend on his superb film grades, and his Pro day.

Not being available the next day is an easy mistake that more than likely devolves on his Agent, than him.

He won't be there at #23.

Have you finished making enough excuses for Andre Smith yet?
A 1st round pick shouldn't have to hide behind excuses.
Andre Smith was a no show at the combine and ADMITTED to being out of shape at one of the most important NFL evaluation events of the year.

I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole in round 1.
I don't recall Wilfork going through any debacles like Andre Smith, so that's a pretty bad comparison.

 

[PatDaPatriot]

Lack of desire and motivation is the easiest way to get knocked down the Pats' board. I doubt they take him at 23...

 

[Mogamedogz]

In a panic attack heartbeat.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

I'll be honest. I don't think he was a top 10 talent. First off, he had a very quick rise thanks to the draftniks. But he missed his Bowl game because of disciplinary reasons. And then he didn't look all that great at the Senior Bowl. Then his actions at the combine came across as immature excuses. I think the Pats pass on him. Particularly since Saban does carry some clout with BB.

his missing the bowl had something to do with talking to an agent......that in itself is not a big deal to me.........

if I were the pats, I would consider bringing him in for a talk......he is a rare talent who can crush people in the running game.......but given his foolishness, I doubt the pats are takers.......

 

[mgteich]

The patriots would draft him in a heartbeat, if they were convinced that the character issues were not problems. It seems that our safety had character problems a couple of years ago. The reason for interviews is to settle issues like this one. I don't think that there is any question with regard to talent.

 

[Seneschal2]

The patriots would draft him in a heartbeat...

Me thinks the Pats would want to know if HIS heart beats. They would hope he'd have the necessary qualities to work hard throughout TC, pre-season, and a very long reg season -- and beyond. Logic says -- the fewer risks the better -- with any first round pick.

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Me thinks the Pats would want to know if HIS heart beats. They would hope he'd have the necessary qualities to work hard throughout TC, pre-season, and a very long reg season -- and beyond. Logic says -- the fewer risks the better -- with any first round pick.

what's with the 'me thinks'? you from appalachia or something?

 

[tanked_as_usual]

Have you finished making enough excuses for Andre Smith yet?
A 1st round pick shouldn't have to hide behind excuses.
Andre Smith was a no show at the combine and ADMITTED to being out of shape at one of the most important NFL evaluation events of the year.

I wouldn't touch him with a 10 foot pole in round 1.
I don't recall Wilfork going through any debacles like Andre Smith, so that's a pretty bad comparison.

heh.....this is exactly what the oilers were saying when they drafte kevin dyson instead of *ahem* randy moss

same kind of excuse was also made when the 9ers passed on warren sapp to draft jj tokes

the talent is there.........

like I said, they can probably figure it out pretty quick in a 10 min conversation, but that 10 min convo has to be made

 

[Seneschal2]

what's with the 'me thinks'? you from appalachia or something?

No, but I do/does like their music. Is/Are the woods of Vermont close enough?