Lombardi's FA WRs: Or if we replace Gaffney, with whom?

[Patjew]

I like Gaff. He won me over in 2006.

 

[dhamz]

Not an exciting list. TJ isn't coming here. We aren't paying our 3rd WR a 8-10m signing bonus.

Gaffney at another 1 yr low $ deal seems like as good an option as any.

 

[DaBruinz]

Houshmandzedah - He has an ego as big as Chad Johnson's. I liked him we he was a free agent a few years ago, but he re-signed with Cincy and that's when I started noticing the ego. No thanks.

Henderson - People were complaining about Stallworth disappearing at the end of the year. Well, let me ask you all something. Do you want a guy who has never taken the opportunity to step up even though he's had it on several occasions? Players like Patten and Lance Moore have passed this guy on the New Orleans depth chart when guys like Stallworth, Horn and Colston got injured. That should raise a big RED FLAG for people. The guy hasn't had more than 32 receptions in any of his 5 seasons with the Saints.

Nate Washington, Antonio Bryant, or Bryant Johnson would be the guys I'd look at. Other than that, I'd bring Gaffney back at the minimum and draft someone in the 3rd/4th round.

 

[JSn]

Nate Washington, Antonio Bryant, or Bryant Johnson would be the guys I'd look at. Other than that, I'd bring Gaffney back at the minimum and draft someone in the 3rd/4th round.

I think re-signing Gaffney and a LOW draft project would be the wisest course of action. He's really not a below-average receiver, imo. I think most people here are suffering from grass-is-greener syndrome.

 

[satz]

As we move between 2 WR,2TE and 1 RB and 3 WR ,1 TE and 1 RB set with faulk i say we need
1)Some one who is quick enough to play on the side lines so moss can be replace or in some formation line up opposite him. - tall and fast
2)If wes is out he needs to be small and quick enough to work between the hashes. - small and quick
3)He will be in block in bubble screens - strong and a good/avg blocker
4)Know the offence to work in all the spots any time.

so who do think fits all.

 

[mike_usagisan]

I like Gaff, too. I wouldn't mind signing him for a couple low-cost years. He's 27 - he might be willing if he gets another shot at the free agency apple before 30. Frankly, I think with him, the WR corps is fine - I'd rather someone make sense out of the multiheaded thing that is our runningbacks.

 

[Synovia]

The drop against Indy was only the most glaring of several big ones he had this year.

Gaffney had nowhere near as many drops as Moss this year. Seemed like a team issue.

 

[mike_usagisan]

Gaffney had nowhere near as many drops as Moss this year. Seemed like a team issue.

Well, thank god we got rid of that wide receivers coach... oh wait!

 

[tombonneau]

Another guy Lombardi mentioned today is Michael Clayton WR TB. He had a great rookie year, then had some injuries and was in Grudens' dog house ever since.

Sounded like he was leaving, but with Gruden gone he might want to re-sign with TB.

He's def. a guy I'd love NE to take a look at, as he is a nice, efficient complementary WR who could be a great #2 guy in this offense.

 

[patchick]

Just for the heck of it, I've re-ordered the receivers based on original draft position then color-coded them according to Lombardi's quality rankings:

Red = Level 1
Orange = Level 2
Green = Vertical
Blue = Nickel only
Black = Minimum deals

So a relationship between draft position and value should be seen in a "hot-to-cool" progression from top to bottom.

Koren Robinson, Seattle, 28; 6-1, 205; 4.5; 2001; 1st round (9th overall); Alvin Keels —
Bryant Johnson, San Francisco, 27; 6-2, 214; 4.52; 2003; 1st round (17th overall); Joel Segal
Ashley Lelie, Oakland, 28; 6-3, 199; 4.46; 2002; 1st round (19th overall); Peter Schaffer
Jabar Gaffney, New England, 27; 6-1, 193; 4.48; 2002; 2nd round (33rd overall); Drew Rosenhaus
Amani Toomer, NY Giants, 34; 6-3, 208; 4.49; 1996; 2nd round (34th overall); Justin Schulman
Robert Ferguson, Minnesota, 28; 6-1, 210; 4.52; 2001; 2nd round (41st overall); Brian Overstreet
Devery Henderson, New Orleans, 26; 5-11, 200; 4.45; 2004; 2nd round (50th overall); James Sexton
Bobby Engram, Seattle, 35; 5-9, 188; 4.68; 1996; 2nd round (52nd overall); Mitchell Frankel
Antonio Bryant, Tampa Bay, 27; 6-1, 192; 4.61; 2002; 2nd round (63rd overall); Peter Schaffer
Darrell Jackson, Denver, 29; 5-11, 201; 4.5; 2000; 3rd round (80th overall); Brian Mooney
Brandon Jones, Tennessee, 26; 6-1, 210; 4.53; 2005; 3rd round (96th overall); Craig Domann
Shaun McDonald, Detroit, 27; 5-8½, 183; 4.44; 2003; 4th round (106th overall); Jim Steiner
Brandon Lloyd, Chicago, 27; 6-1, 184; 4.55; 2003; 4th round (124th overall); Mark Humenik
Justin McCareins, Tennessee, 29; 6-1, 215; 4.55; 2001; 4th round (124th overall); Clifford Brady
Dante Hall, St. Louis, 30; 5-7, 187; 4.41; 2000; 5th round (153rd overall); Gary Uberstine
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Cincinnati, 31; 6-1, 197; 4.57; 2001; 7th round (204th overall); Kennard McGuire
Terrance Copper, Baltimore, 26; 5-11, 204; 4.43; 2004; free agent; Ronald Del Duca —
Dane Looker, St. Louis, 32; 5-11, 190; 4.74; 2000; free agent; Rick Smith
Nate Washington, Pittsburgh, 25; 6-0, 172; 4.47; 2005; free agent; Thomas Tafelski

 

[tombonneau]

Just for the heck of it, I've re-ordered the receivers based on original draft position then color-coded them according to Lombardi's quality rankings:

Red = Level 1
Orange = Level 2
Green = Vertical
Blue = Nickel only
Black = Minimum deals

So a relationship between draft position and value should be seen in a "hot-to-cool" progression from top to bottom.

Koren Robinson, Seattle, 28; 6-1, 205; 4.5; 2001; 1st round (9th overall); Alvin Keels —
Bryant Johnson, San Francisco, 27; 6-2, 214; 4.52; 2003; 1st round (17th overall); Joel Segal
Ashley Lelie, Oakland, 28; 6-3, 199; 4.46; 2002; 1st round (19th overall); Peter Schaffer
Jabar Gaffney, New England, 27; 6-1, 193; 4.48; 2002; 2nd round (33rd overall); Drew Rosenhaus
Amani Toomer, NY Giants, 34; 6-3, 208; 4.49; 1996; 2nd round (34th overall); Justin Schulman
Robert Ferguson, Minnesota, 28; 6-1, 210; 4.52; 2001; 2nd round (41st overall); Brian Overstreet
Devery Henderson, New Orleans, 26; 5-11, 200; 4.45; 2004; 2nd round (50th overall); James Sexton
Bobby Engram, Seattle, 35; 5-9, 188; 4.68; 1996; 2nd round (52nd overall); Mitchell Frankel
Antonio Bryant, Tampa Bay, 27; 6-1, 192; 4.61; 2002; 2nd round (63rd overall); Peter Schaffer
Darrell Jackson, Denver, 29; 5-11, 201; 4.5; 2000; 3rd round (80th overall); Brian Mooney
Brandon Jones, Tennessee, 26; 6-1, 210; 4.53; 2005; 3rd round (96th overall); Craig Domann
Shaun McDonald, Detroit, 27; 5-8½, 183; 4.44; 2003; 4th round (106th overall); Jim Steiner
Brandon Lloyd, Chicago, 27; 6-1, 184; 4.55; 2003; 4th round (124th overall); Mark Humenik
Justin McCareins, Tennessee, 29; 6-1, 215; 4.55; 2001; 4th round (124th overall); Clifford Brady
Dante Hall, St. Louis, 30; 5-7, 187; 4.41; 2000; 5th round (153rd overall); Gary Uberstine
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Cincinnati, 31; 6-1, 197; 4.57; 2001; 7th round (204th overall); Kennard McGuire
Terrance Copper, Baltimore, 26; 5-11, 204; 4.43; 2004; free agent; Ronald Del Duca —
Dane Looker, St. Louis, 32; 5-11, 190; 4.74; 2000; free agent; Rick Smith
Nate Washington, Pittsburgh, 25; 6-0, 172; 4.47; 2005; free agent; Thomas Tafelski

I'm not sure what you've done, but my eyes hurt.

 

[Tyler.Durden]

Gaffney and moss both had 6 drops this past season

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But moss had nearly twice as many receptions

 

[PatriotsInGA]

houshmandzadeh could be like randy moss. could turn into a great player

 

[jeffbiologist]

Call me crazy but I say we swap our 2nd #2 for Mr Ocho Cinco, BB has always loved him and he would work well as our malcontent rehab this year.

 

[Fencer]

Call me crazy but I say we swap our 2nd #2 for Mr Ocho Cinco, BB has always loved him and he would work well as our malcontent rehab this year.

With what pool of salary money?

 

[Tyler.Durden]

and as it is he wants more money, i think his cap hit isn't that bad at the moment actually. Still, we could find better value for money.

 

[Pats726]

They won't get Housh....I think that he's getting vuck from some NFC team....I would look at Gaff and a minimum deal...maybe someone like McCareins who seems to be a good possession receiver...and or Mike Furrey...who may be a LOT better than his stats have been in Det..

 

[Patjew]

Just for the heck of it, I've re-ordered the receivers based on original draft position then color-coded them according to Lombardi's quality rankings:

Red = Level 1
Orange = Level 2
Green = Vertical
Blue = Nickel only
Black = Minimum deals

So a relationship between draft position and value should be seen in a "hot-to-cool" progression from top to bottom.

Koren Robinson, Seattle, 28; 6-1, 205; 4.5; 2001; 1st round (9th overall); Alvin Keels —
Bryant Johnson, San Francisco, 27; 6-2, 214; 4.52; 2003; 1st round (17th overall); Joel Segal
Ashley Lelie, Oakland, 28; 6-3, 199; 4.46; 2002; 1st round (19th overall); Peter Schaffer
Jabar Gaffney, New England, 27; 6-1, 193; 4.48; 2002; 2nd round (33rd overall); Drew Rosenhaus
Amani Toomer, NY Giants, 34; 6-3, 208; 4.49; 1996; 2nd round (34th overall); Justin Schulman
Robert Ferguson, Minnesota, 28; 6-1, 210; 4.52; 2001; 2nd round (41st overall); Brian Overstreet
Devery Henderson, New Orleans, 26; 5-11, 200; 4.45; 2004; 2nd round (50th overall); James Sexton
Bobby Engram, Seattle, 35; 5-9, 188; 4.68; 1996; 2nd round (52nd overall); Mitchell Frankel
Antonio Bryant, Tampa Bay, 27; 6-1, 192; 4.61; 2002; 2nd round (63rd overall); Peter Schaffer
Darrell Jackson, Denver, 29; 5-11, 201; 4.5; 2000; 3rd round (80th overall); Brian Mooney
Brandon Jones, Tennessee, 26; 6-1, 210; 4.53; 2005; 3rd round (96th overall); Craig Domann
Shaun McDonald, Detroit, 27; 5-8½, 183; 4.44; 2003; 4th round (106th overall); Jim Steiner
Brandon Lloyd, Chicago, 27; 6-1, 184; 4.55; 2003; 4th round (124th overall); Mark Humenik
Justin McCareins, Tennessee, 29; 6-1, 215; 4.55; 2001; 4th round (124th overall); Clifford Brady
Dante Hall, St. Louis, 30; 5-7, 187; 4.41; 2000; 5th round (153rd overall); Gary Uberstine
T.J. Houshmandzadeh, Cincinnati, 31; 6-1, 197; 4.57; 2001; 7th round (204th overall); Kennard McGuire
Terrance Copper, Baltimore, 26; 5-11, 204; 4.43; 2004; free agent; Ronald Del Duca —
Dane Looker, St. Louis, 32; 5-11, 190; 4.74; 2000; free agent; Rick Smith
Nate Washington, Pittsburgh, 25; 6-0, 172; 4.47; 2005; free agent; Thomas Tafelski

Does this have something to do with the current threat level at O'hare?

 

[BritPat]

Really wouldn't mind seeing Nate Washington at split end.

 

[cstjohn17]

In the spirit of reclaiming troubled children, how about Jerry Porter?

He put up good numbers in Oakland when paired with Moss.

He fits the WR MO perfectly, self-delusional, malcontent, bad attitude, etc. but I like his upside as a 3rd WR on a very cheap contract.