KC's 2nd and first next year

[NEGoldenAge]

....For Cassel. Every time people talk about a trade to KC, they say it would require their first pic this year. I could definately see them giving their second this year, and a first next year, perhaps with a conditional 5th or 6th if the 2010 pick was higher than 20 or something. 35th pick would be pretty nice

 

[j00fek]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

looks like he is staying

 

[NEGoldenAge]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

looks like he is staying

I believe it's supposed to look that way

 

[BradyManny]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

....For Cassel. Every time people talk about a trade to KC, they say it would require their first pic this year. I could definately see them giving their second this year, and a first next year

I'm in. (10 char)

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

looks like he is staying

Maybe it does to you, not to me.

 

[Jimke]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

Maybe it does to you, not to me.

The Patriots have always believed in applying values to players.

Matt Cassel for 14.6 million dollars is not good value.

 

[JoeShmoe]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

I've said since whenever that if we trade we'll get a 2nd and a conditional 2010 - and id be happy with that. If its KC's no 2 that's still a good place to be

Like it or not Cassel is not 'seen' around the league as this great QB and he IS a risk after just one season with the HOF receivers he has

Lets not be greedy .. only way we get a first is if there's a bidding war or some horse trading

I would take KC's 2nd, Tony Gonzalez, and a 2010 2nd in a heartbeat providing TB's good to go (and I see no reason why he wouldn't be) after what will basically be a whole year's recovery

 

[DarrylS]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

Wasn't Matt Schaub worth two #1's???

If the value was set for him, then KC's 2nd #1 this year and their #2 next year would be very advantageous...

 

[Basileus777]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

Wasn't Matt Schaub worth two #1's???

If the value was set for him, then KC's 2nd #1 this year and their #2 next year would be very advantageous...

Schaub was traded for 2 seconds and a swap of firsts (only a few places).

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

I've said since whenever that if we trade we'll get a 2nd and a conditional 2010 - and id be happy with that. If its KC's no 2 that's still a good place to be

I'll be "happy" with a #3; that would make Franchising him worth it as it would be higher than a #3 comp pick and we could stop him from going to the Jets for nothing. Anything else is gravy for me.

 

[Sicilian]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

I'll be "happy" with a #3; that would make Franchising him worth it as it would be higher than a #3 comp pick and we could stop him from going to the Jets for nothing. Anything else is gravy for me.

While logically that's very true, Matt Schaub fetched two #2's, and we got a first for an older Drew Bledsoe. I think a 3rd, while better than the alternative, would be a disappointment for me.

 

[ScottieC]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

looks like he is staying

If it did not, Bill could be in deep trouble with the NFLPA in regard to using the Tag improperly.

So, when Bill says, "We are looking forward to working with Matt in 2009", he's covering his ass with the NFLPA.

It's pretty simple, really.

 

[Deus Irae]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

If it did not, Bill could be in deep trouble with the NFLPA in regard to using the Tag improperly.

So, when Bill says, "We are looking forward to working with Matt in 2009", he's covering his ass with the NFLPA.

It's pretty simple, really.

http://www.patsfans.com/new-england-patriots/messageboard/10/214795-can-someone-who-knows-clarify-legality-tag-trade.html

 

[JSn]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

Plus all that crap about the NFLPA is extra moot since Cassel signed the tender. He's now under contract with the Pats. End of story.

 

[mayoclinic]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

I'll be "happy" with a #3; that would make Franchising him worth it as it would be higher than a #3 comp pick and we could stop him from going to the Jets for nothing. Anything else is gravy for me.

The Pats have just tied up $14.6M in Cassel and effectively put themselves at or near the cap. I don't think they would do this for the difference between a 3rd round comp next year and a 3rd round pick this year. They clearly see Cassel as a 1st round value, either to themselves as insurance for Brady, or to other teams.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

While logically that's very true, Matt Schaub fetched two #2's, and we got a first for an older Drew Bledsoe. I think a 3rd, while better than the alternative, would be a disappointment for me.

I probably overstated "happy", but big picture, to get a #3 for a guy who looked like he'd walk for nothing this time last year and also keep him from going to the Jets now that we know he's good, that's a win for us. But, sure, looking at it right now I do think we should get more than a #3 for him.

 

[BelichickFan]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

The Pats have just tied up $14.6M in Cassel and effectively put themselves at or near the cap. I don't think they would do this for the difference between a 3rd round comp next year and a 3rd round pick this year.

I agree with that. The bigger part to me, though, is ensuring he doesn't stroll down to NJ and solve The Jest's QB problem.

 

[Synovia]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

Like it or not Cassel is not 'seen' around the league as this great QB

According to who?

Every GM/Ex GM/Personnell guy I've heard make a comment says that hes a better bet than anyone in the draft, and bidding starts at a 1 and a 3.


As to HOF WRs, yeah, Randy Is. Wes? Not a chance. I like Wes, but hes a good slot receiver, and we'll never know if hes excellent until Randy retires.

 

[The_Riddler]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

looks like he is staying

BB's KoolAid is taking effect.........

 

[Patsrock]

Re: KC's 2nd and first next year.

If it did not, Bill could be in deep trouble with the NFLPA in regard to using the Tag improperly.

So, when Bill says, "We are looking forward to working with Matt in 2009", he's covering his ass with the NFLPA.

It's pretty simple, really.

Once Matt Cassel agreed to sign the tender, I think he threw any NFLPA grievances out the window. He is now sole property of the New England Patriots. NFLPA has no leg to stand on now.