Cassel's New Home???

[DaBruinz]

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I doubt many other teams are as enanmored with Cassel as most of our fanbase is. Maybe Pioli but I doubt it. Most of us tend to overstate his value because we saw his progression first-hand over the course of a season that seemed doomed as soon as Brady went down. It seems that getting us to 11-5 has already made Cassel into a Brady-like legend around here. A lot of it is because expectations were so low to begin with.

What he did this year is amazing but a this point I put him into the "servicable QB" category. It would be a bit of a coup to get a first for him imo.

No offense, but you way over-state what people think around here and you way understate Cassel's value. Cassel is the top Free Agent QB available and he is, arguably, better than any QB in the draft. It wasn't just US that saw Cassel's progression. The whole LEAGUE saw it. He put up better numbers in this year of starting that Matt Schaub or Derek Anderson have put up.

Value is based on supply and demand. Take a look around the league and to an honest evaluation of what the demand is.

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

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Patrick Willis? The kid who had more tackles than there were defensive snaps? People forget SF uses the Mike Nolan 3-4, more closely related to Pittsburgh's blitzing style. I've never thought Willis was best suited for NE's 3-4 and all his inflated numbers aside, I still don't see that he's a good fit to pair with Mayo.

I was just thinking about having the past two DROY roaming the middle of our defense for the next few seasons. I do realize he might not fit our system to a T but with those two BB would make adjustments. That being said common now people Pat Willis is going nowhere.

 

[dryheat44]

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In what world do you see Sage Rosenfels winning a Superbowl?
I think Cassel is a better prospect than Rosenfels.

How about Cassel to Detroit for their 1st round (#20) and 2nd round (#33) pick?

In half a heartbeat.

Remember that Jared Allen got traded last year for a first, two thirds, and a sixth. Different position, obviously, but a franchise tagged perennial pro-bowler.

I'd be thrilled with that package.

 

[bakes781]

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Obviously Matt Cassel would be a safer bet than any rookie QB right now, but we have no idea how good they could become. Cassel didn't start a single game in college. So his value is partly benefited by a weak crop of FAs and potential prospect class. I think for a team like the Vikings Cassel makes perfect sense because they have the other pieces in place to make a playoff run now. If I'm Detroit I might be more willing to wait it out with a Stafford/Sanchez.

 

[mayoclinic]

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For anyone who is taking this too seriously, the OP suggested coming up with a dream trade for Cassel, consisting of a draft pick + a player. I only suggested Willis as a joke - hence the on my post - as an alternative to Clements.

Of course SF isn't going to trade Willis. And I wasn't seriously suggesting that they should, any more than we would trade Mayo at this point. He's obviously the cornerstone of their D.

For the record, I think Willis is a fine player and would have been a great pick for our D in 2007. But I think that Mayo will be a better fit for our 3-4 in the long run. Willis has more pure speed and sideline-to-sideline pursuit, but Mayo has great intelligence and versatility. Much as it would be fun to see them side by side, I think that there would be better fits to pair with Mayo, and they wouldn't be used optimally together.

 

[mgteich]

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If Cassel is worth anywhere as much as you guys think, then one of the five teams in the lower half of the draft with a quarterback need will simply negotiate with Cassel and give us the equivalent of about the #10 pick (a 2009 first and a 2010 first). TB, Minny and TB are a QB away. One could argue that the same is true for the jets and the titans. It would seem that one of these teams should be able to both meet Cassel's contract needs and be willing to give up the two picks which in total are worth about the #10 this year. To put it another way, one of these teams would likely be willing to trade the two firsts to trade up for one of the top rookies. Cassel is arguably as good a prospect. Besides all 11 teams needing a QB aren't getting one. If a team really wants one, and they are in the bottom half of the draft, two firsts shouldn't be too much to pay.

 

[bakes781]

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If that were true then we wouldn't have to worry about having Matt signed to a long term deal. Any team can take him now for the price of 2 first round picks. So where are the teams lining up to sign him?

 

[Clonamery]

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So where are the teams lining up to sign him?

What, they have to inform you first?

 

[bakes781]

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March 3rd is the date when franchise tagged players can officially be signed, but I'd think rumors would be swarming of teams interested if it was a forgone conclusion that we'd be receiving 2 first round picks as some have suggested here.

 

[Seneschal2]

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Michael Lombardi of the National Football Post lists eight teams who could be the major players in the Cassel sweepstakes. There's also 105 comments from some Pats and anti-Pats fans:

The National Football Post | National Football Post Diner News

Example:

DETROIT LIONS — The Lions are in the best position to make this decision. As they evaluate college quarterbacks, they can measure how Cassel compares to the quarterbacks in the draft. They can part with their second first-round pick, 20th overall, and feel like they've gotten two blue chip players in the first round. It will cost more than the 20th pick overall, but for the Lions, they must think quality over quantity, and getting two quality players is much better than four good players, especially if one of the quality players is a quarterback. There is a deal here — but first things first. Someone in the Lions' building must make the determination which player is better, Matthew Stafford, Mark Sanchez or Cassel.

 

[jmt57]

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No offense, but you way over-state what people think around here and you way understate Cassel's value. Cassel is the top Free Agent QB available and he is, arguably, better than any QB in the draft. It wasn't just US that saw Cassel's progression. The whole LEAGUE saw it. He put up better numbers in this year of starting that Matt Schaub or Derek Anderson have put up.

Value is based on supply and demand. Take a look around the league and to an honest evaluation of what the demand is.

You nailed it right there. The other free agent quarterbacks are either one or two year stop gaps (Warner, Collins, Garcia) or players that may be better suited as a backup than a starter (Leftwich, Carr, Griese, Grossman.) For those teams in need of a QB, that leaves the draft; but some of the top prospects decided to stay in college for another year. The net result is that there are less quality QBs than there are teams that want or need a QB.

 

[VJCPatriot]

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Speaking of the Detroit Lions as a possible landing spot for Cassel, their new GM is Martin Mayhew.

Martin Mayhew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mayhew's first notable act as GM was to trade Roy Williams + a 7th rounder away to the Cowboys in return for a 1st, 3rd, and 6th round draft choices.

That's a pretty darn good return in picks for the Lions. I think the Cowboys got ripped off to be honest.

But the point is that Mayhew is stockpiling picks so he can make a big move. What bigger move could he make than trade for a potential franchise QB in Cassel?

 

[AzPatsFan]

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Speaking of the Detroit Lions as a possible landing spot for Cassel, their new GM is Martin Mayhew.

Martin Mayhew - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Mayhew's first notable act as GM was to trade Roy Williams + a 7th rounder away to the Cowboys in return for a 1st, 3rd, and 6th round draft choices.

That's a pretty darn good return in picks for the Lions. I think the Cowboys got ripped off to be honest.

But the point is that Mayhew is stockpiling picks so he can make a big move. What bigger move could he make than trade for a potential franchise QB in Cassel?

I didn't know that the going price to trade up from the 20th pick was only a 3rd and 7th to get a top 5 pick.

Boy that is sure cheap. Where do the Pats go to do that? Oh the Lions got a steal according to you. What a fantistic deal for them. I bet they'd do that again.

I'm sure the Pats can move up to the #1 pick with their 23rd pick and a 3rd and make it a 5th, instead of the 7th.

What a fantastic deal.

 

[SteveKiner]

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I didn't know that the going price to trade up from the 20th pick was only a 3rd and 7th to get a top 5 pick.

Boy that is sure cheap. Where do the Pats go to do that? Oh the Lions got a steal according to you. What a fantistic deal for them. I bet they'd do that again.

I'm sure the Pats can move up to the #1 pick with their 23rd pick and a 3rd and make it a 5th, instead of the 7th.

What a fantastic deal.

What are you talking about? What trade up? The Lions traded WR Roy Williams and a 7th for the Cowboys 1st, 3rd and 6th. Am I missing something? Or are you just being a prick?

 

[PatsChamp88]

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Me thinks prick but that's pretty awful English, it was a great deal for the Lions period Dallas got ripped.

 

[Afterlifemobile-86]

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No, i wouldn't want Clements i think he's overrated. Better than what we have on the roster now? Sure, of course but i'd rather get some more picks and rebuild the defense with younger talent instead of shelling out money to a "big name" corner. We all remember how crazy this board said it was for the niners to give the contract that they did to Clements and that was going to set precedent for Asante to walk. Clements just want's a big paycheck.

 

[Wretch]

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for the lions #20 and #33 picks......done

I don't think Detroit is going to be a trade partner. They need more than just a QB to become competitive. They need a lot of player at a lot of positions.

i actually see them trying to trade back and get more picks rather than give up multiple picks for a single player.

I think SF, MN, KC, SEA, CHI, and TB as more likely trade partners.

 

[DW Toys]

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No offense, but you way over-state what people think around here and you way understate Cassel's value. Cassel is the top Free Agent QB available and he is, arguably, better than any QB in the draft. It wasn't just US that saw Cassel's progression. The whole LEAGUE saw it. He put up better numbers in this year of starting that Matt Schaub or Derek Anderson have put up.

Value is based on supply and demand. Take a look around the league and to an honest evaluation of what the demand is.

Simon, Again I agree with you (scary!). MC is being undervalued by some of the fans on the other sites and forums so they can justify IF their team doesn't go after him and sticks with a stiff like Hill or a Thigpen (they aren't that bad but you are right, Cassel is heads above), or that perhaps there is some way to steal him if only the front office reads their comments and offers maybe a third for MC that the Pats would certainly accept.

It is like some of the forum "wise dudes" here thinking that Gonzales is only worth a fourth rounder. So we do it too.

How about at 14.5 sacks and 5 FF, some on this site say Peppers is overrated and why should we go after him? Your point in your statement exactly. It's supply and demand. Pass rushers are at a premium.

Cassel is a value and proved it way longer than Schaub and Anderson. He was also missing his starting guard and starting number one RB and best third down back option, Faulk for many games to start the season. Some might forget that Welker was coming back from injury in the preseason and might not have been 100% the first part of last season. Hats off to Cassel and the Pats for the effort last season and Cassel was as a big part. I thought "no way" this kid can do it. I was an idiot.
DW Toys

 

[JMarr]

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You nailed it right there. The other free agent quarterbacks are either one or two year stop gaps (Warner, Collins, Garcia) or players that may be better suited as a backup than a starter (Leftwich, Carr, Griese, Grossman.) For those teams in need of a QB, that leaves the draft; but some of the top prospects decided to stay in college for another year. The net result is that there are less quality QBs than there are teams that want or need a QB.

There's definitely a shortage of elite QBs in the league, but Cassel has a long way to go to earn that label yet. As a GM, do you want to throw a #1 pick AND that kind of money at yet another guy whose potential BB was able to maximize for 1 season? We know how that usually works.

But you're right about supply and demand--definitely a huge buyer's market this year. It'll be interesting to say the least.

 

[JMarr]

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No offense, but you way over-state what people think around here and you way understate Cassel's value. Cassel is the top Free Agent QB available and he is, arguably, better than any QB in the draft. It wasn't just US that saw Cassel's progression. The whole LEAGUE saw it.

I suspect what the rest of the league 'sees' is a guy who hadn't played since high school and, after being thrust into the role of filling Brady's shoes, was surprisingly poised and smart--but like most QBs, showing brilliance only in brief flashes.

Personally if I were the GM of a team like the Vikes, I'd spend a #1 on him if I had completely given up on my [still] young quarterback. Then again, part of my opinion on Cassel is influenced by my total surprise that we almost managed to make the playoffs after the worst case scenario happened on Sept. 7. You would think most GMs and coaches are going to be rating him based on nothing more than cold hard analysis and salary considerations.