Sean Smith CB Utah - Is there a thread about him yet?

[mayoclinic]

But what about Louis Delmas in round 1 with Clint Sintim and Connor Barwin in round 2 and Burnett in round 3?

I don't see Louis Delmas as a 1st round talent right now. I think Sean Smith has a much higher ceiling. I like Delmas, and think he'd be a fine 2nd round pick, though Delmas and Meriweather seem a little light as our 2 safeties.

Burnett's a fine player and a good fit for the Pats, but do you really see him being a 3rd round prospect right now? I would have thought more like 4th-5th, but please educate me.

 

[Box_O_Rocks]

I don't see Louis Delmas as a 1st round talent right now. I think Sean Smith has a much higher ceiling. I like Delmas, and think he'd be a fine 2nd round pick, though Delmas and Meriweather seem a little light as our 2 safeties.

Burnett's a fine player and a good fit for the Pats, but do you really see him being a 3rd round prospect right now? I would have thought more like 4th-5th, but please educate me.

I haven't seen him play yet, a number of our Burnett fans here have been talking 3rd round or sooner. I'll hopefully know more after the game tomorrow.

 

[VJCPatriot]

Yes, the Plexico beat the Patriot down when he was matched up against a 5'9 INJURED CB... The Patriots could have put Samuel on him, but felt they didn't need to..

You're smoking crack if you think that the Pats felt putting a 5'9 corner on a 6'5 wide receiver one on one was a favorable matchup for them. Hobbs was isolated on that play because the Pats were bringing the blitz and the blitz didn't get to the QB in time. Hobbs just physically CANNOT matchup with Plex in the red zone. Result - Touchdown.

The thing about Smith that is interesting besides his height is his flexibility to play either CB or S. His versatility might be appealing to BB.

 

[AzPatsFan]

BB goes for sure things with his first round picks. He uses the second and third round on "projections".

Sean Smith is a projection for S, as there are no sure thing Safeties now that Mays and Rolle didn't come out. BB will pick the sure thing, whatever that might be, and then maybe either wait for a DB in the second or trade up to get his choice. I suspect that might be Alphonso. Then he will bring in a bunch of vet min FA and spend 3rds ansd 4ths on Safties and DE-->OLBs, so I suspect.

 

[Seneschal2]

Burnett's a fine player and a good fit for the Pats, but do you really see him being a 3rd round prospect right now? I would have thought more like 4th-5th, but please educate me.

NFL Draft Scout currently has him projected for rounds 5-6. I doubt he moves up much further post Combine, as IMO, his 40 time will not be among the fastest. He's currently ranked #22 on their CB list.

Coincidentally, Wilhite was ranked #22 last draft, while Wheatley was ranked #21, and both were also projected for rounds 5-6. As we know, Wilhite went in round 4, and Wheatley was the 8th CB selected overall in round 2. After the Pats selected Terrence, some said he was a reach due to his projection, but obviously the Pats thought highly of him. Same will hold true for any prospect. If the Pats want a player who fits their system, and don't want to risk losing him, they may select a player earlier than consensus rankings. If they're high on Burnett, I think he falls into that category of drafting him earlier (Round 3?). Rest assured though, he's not the only prospect (or CB) the Pats would reach for, as there are several others who seem like they will fit.

 

[mayoclinic]

BB goes for sure things with his first round picks. He uses the second and third round on "projections".

Sean Smith is a projection for S, as there are no sure thing Safeties now that Mays and Rolle didn't come out. BB will pick the sure thing, whatever that might be, and then maybe either wait for a DB in the second or trade up to get his choice. I suspect that might be Alphonso. Then he will bring in a bunch of vet min FA and spend 3rds ansd 4ths on Safties and DE-->OLBs, so I suspect.

There are no "sure things", even though we've had a very good success record with high picks. Chad Jackson's a good example of that. Certainly Myron Rolle isn't a sure thing at safety.

DeAngelo Williams was more of a "sure thing" at RB than Maroney, but we took the younger player with the higher upside. Maybe that was the wrong choice, but the Pats have been willing to gamble on players with upside before in the 1st round. Ben Watson is another case in point.

 

[DaBruinz]

You're smoking crack if you think that the Pats felt putting a 5'9 corner on a 6'5 wide receiver one on one was a favorable matchup for them. Hobbs was isolated on that play because the Pats were bringing the blitz and the blitz didn't get to the QB in time. Hobbs just physically CANNOT matchup with Plex in the red zone. Result - Touchdown.

The thing about Smith that is interesting besides his height is his flexibility to play either CB or S. His versatility might be appealing to BB.

What had Plexico done in the game prior to that TD? OH, yeah. 1 catch for 14 yards. And, if the Pats didn't feel it was a favorable match-up, why didn't they put Samuel on him? But, you like to ignore things like that and you like to ignore that Hobbs was playing with a bumm shoulder AND sports hernia.

Hobbs was isolated on the play because the safety on that side didn't move over like he was supposed to. But Its not like hobbs could do much with his nagging injuries either.

Don't forget that it was Samuel who was beat twice by David Tyree. One for a TD and one for the amazing reception that Harrison couldn't swat away at the end.

 

[billdog3484]

What had Plexico done in the game prior to that TD? OH, yeah. 1 catch for 14 yards. And, if the Pats didn't feel it was a favorable match-up, why didn't they put Samuiel on him? But, you like to ignore things like that and you like to ignore that Hobbs was playing with a bumm shoulder AND sports hernia.

Hobbs was isolated on the play because the safety on that side didn't move over like he was supposed to. But Its not like hobbs could do much with his nagging injuries either.

Don't forget that it was Samuel who was beat twice by David Tyree. One for a TD and one for the amazing reception that Harrison couldn't swat away at the end.

i think plax 1 on 1 with anyone is a bad matchup. i was actually talking about that play yesterday. too many people blame hobbs, which is very unfair. deion wouldve gotten smoked on that one. it was all out blitz the giants picked it up and we lost. what can ya do

 

[Deus Irae]

i think plax 1 on 1 with anyone is a bad matchup. i was actually talking about that play yesterday. too many people blame hobbs, which is very unfair. deion wouldve gotten smoked on that one. it was all out blitz the giants picked it up and we lost. what can ya do

I forget which it was (I think it was Colvin, but I'm not sure), but one of the Patriots players broke down the play on the radio. It was an all-out blitz, and it had been successful all during the playoffs. The idea was to force Manning to throw it immediately, and the only good throw at that point would have been the slant because Manning wouldn't have enough time to set up for a fade pass. Hobbs, therefore, played for the slant, but the blitz didn't get there. The problem wasn't with Hobbs, and it wasn't with the safety. The problem was that the entire blitz got picked up, whereas the safety had been getting free hits on the quarterback every other time they'd been using it that season.

Plays like this are why I so often tell people who are complaining about cornerback play that they don't know what the hell they are talking about when dealing with the Patriot's system. Yes, sometimes it's obvious where a breakdown happened. Probably just as often, however, you need to know the play called and have the game film to be certain. New England just doesn't run straight man often enough for the 'layman' to make the correct analysis with just some cursory looks.

 

[VJCPatriot]

What had Plexico done in the game prior to that TD? OH, yeah. 1 catch for 14 yards. And, if the Pats didn't feel it was a favorable match-up, why didn't they put Samuiel on him? But, you like to ignore things like that and you like to ignore that Hobbs was playing with a bumm shoulder AND sports hernia.

And you choose to ignore the fact that Hobbs couldn't stop Burress 1 on 1 in the redzone even if he were 100% healthy. Stop trying to use injury as an excuse. Football players have to play through their injuries all the time. It's part of their job description. Unless your're LT and don't even get me started about him.

I didn't say that Samuel would have definitely stopped Burress either. I'm just stating facts that Hobbs PHYSICALLY was overmatched by Burress. Result was a TD. Hobbs 1 on 1 against a 6'5 receiver is just NOT a good matchup.

The defensive call was a bad one because it left a guy in a bad iso matchup at a crucial point in the game. Sure if Hobbs had safety help over the top, that play might never have happened. But he didn't, and he got burned because he was given a job he couldn't handle alone. I really haven't stated anything but facts here and the only reason you're getting irrate is that you can't stand anyone saying even one slightly NEGATIVE thing about a Patriots player, no matter how true it is. Well get over it!

 

[AzPatsFan]

And you choose to ignore the fact that Hobbs couldn't stop Burress 1 on 1 in the redzone even if he were 100% healthy. Stop trying to use injury as an excuse. Football players have to play through their injuries all the time. It's part of their job description. Unless your're LT and don't even get me started about him.

I didn't say that Samuel would have definitely stopped Burress either. I'm just stating facts that Hobbs PHYSICALLY was overmatched by Burress. Result was a TD. Hobbs 1 on 1 against a 6'5 receiver is just NOT a good matchup.

The defensive call was a bad one because it left a guy in a bad iso matchup at a crucial point in the game. Sure if Hobbs had safety help over the top, that play might never have happened. But he didn't, and he got burned because he was given a job he couldn't handle alone. I really haven't stated anything but facts here and the only reason you're getting irrate is that you can't stand anyone saying even one slightly NEGATIVE thing about a Patriots player, no matter how true it is. Well get over it!

And you ignore the fact that Asomugha himself, couldn't handle that assignment either. Picking on that one play is ridiculous.

The Pats lost the SB when Neal went down early along with Faulk, and Hochstein was force to play despite an injury. The Pats couldn't play short dink and dunk without Faulk's pass contributions; and didn't connect long, because the pass rush got through the jury rigged line and wasn't picked up by the absent Faulk.

Despite it all, they still would have won, if the Refs call "in the grasp" as they should have; or Asante makes the INT that went directly into his hands; or Rodney prevents and knocks loose the helmet catch by whatizname. All occured long before the Plaxico/Hobbs failed maximum blitz.

And for al those incessant cries for more blitzing by Blitz happy fans: Live by the Blitz, Die by the Blitz!

 

[VJCPatriot]

And you ignore the fact that Asomugha himself, couldn't handle that assignment either. Picking on that one play is ridiculous.

Never said that was the only play that contributed to the loss. Simply said that Hobbs was physically OUTMATCHED on that play by a 6'5 receiver. How HARD is it to understand that? It's like seeing Lebron James dunking on Nate Robinson. You know it's going to happen if you leave them one on one. It's a MISMATCH. The Giants took advantage of it.

So what? Deal, Hobbs can't grow himself 6 inches taller. Neither can Nate Robinson. Hobbs needed help to stand a chance and he didn't get it. Result - Touchdown. Not a SINGLE thing I've said has been anything other than a fact. And for those of you that think Hobbs would have been able to defend Plex on that play were he 100% (since you claim he was injured), keep smoking that crack pipe. That hardly had much to do with the outcome.

1. Plex is a physical mismatch vs Hobbs 1 on 1.
2. Result of the play was a Touchdown.

What is there to defend here?? Has Hobbs been unfairly persecuted here because I stated the facts? Just don't leave him on an island against 6'5 guys and he'll be a serviceable #2 CB. Leave him on an island in the red zone against a 6'5 RZ scoring machine like Buress and you're going to lose the game. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

PS Putting Asomugha in the same sentence/level as Hobbs is a joke and a disgrace. The only time Asomugha should be mentioned in the same breath is when we say "I'm glad that Asomugha is taking the #1 CB job away from Hobbs now." Class dismissed.

 

[AzPatsFan]

Never said that was the only play that contributed to the loss. Simply said that Hobbs was physically OUTMATCHED on that play by a 6'5 receiver. How HARD is it to understand that? It's like seeing Lebron James dunking on Nate Robinson. You know it's going to happen if you leave them one on one. It's a MISMATCH. The Giants took advantage of it.

So what? Deal, Hobbs can't grow himself 6 inches taller. Neither can Nate Robinson. Hobbs needed help to stand a chance and he didn't get it. Result - Touchdown. Not a SINGLE thing I've said has been anything other than a fact. And for those of you that think Hobbs would have been able to defend Plex on that play were he 100% (since you claim he was injured), keep smoking that crack pipe. That hardly had much to do with the outcome.

1. Plex is a physical mismatch vs Hobbs 1 on 1.
2. Result of the play was a Touchdown.

What is there to defend here?? Has Hobbs been unfairly persecuted here because I stated the facts? Just don't leave him on an island against 6'5 guys and he'll be a serviceable #2 CB. Leave him on an island in the red zone against a 6'5 RZ scoring machine like Buress and you're going to lose the game. It doesn't take a genius to figure this out.

PS Putting Asomugha in the same sentence/level as Hobbs is a joke and a disgrace. The only time Asomugha should be mentioned in the same breath is when we say "I'm glad that Asomugha is taking the #1 CB job away from Hobbs now." Class dismissed.

Gee, 1 catch 14 yards prior, somebody (like Hobbs) must have been winning the matchup war the rest of the game. Thank You. It is good to know you don't like smurf CBs. But you and I don't count.

Bill Belichick does count. He drafts guys repeatedly like Hobbs (Wheatly, Samuel, Browner), and signed guys like Poole and Buckley, his Defenses have gotten to four Super Bowls in 8 years,and alwasy inthe Top Ten in the League. Oh Boy, he must sure be stupid and ill informed.

Right now, every draftnik is glomming onto Smith as this draft is barren at super Safety. Until I see otherwise, I don't know that Sean Smith isn't Tebucky Jones version II. Not tough enough to play S, and too un-quick to cover as a CB. But fast enough to chase the WR all the way to the endzone, after the catch.

 

[AzPatsFan]

NFL Draft Scout currently has him projected for rounds 5-6. I doubt he moves up much further post Combine, as IMO, his 40 time will not be among the fastest. He's currently ranked #22 on their CB list.

Coincidentally, Wilhite was ranked #22 last draft, while Wheatley was ranked #21, and both were also projected for rounds 5-6. As we know, Wilhite went in round 4, and Wheatley was the 8th CB selected overall in round 2. After the Pats selected Terrence, some said he was a reach due to his projection, but obviously the Pats thought highly of him. Same will hold true for any prospect. If the Pats want a player who fits their system, and don't want to risk losing him, they may select a player earlier than consensus rankings. If they're high on Burnett, I think he falls into that category of drafting him earlier (Round 3?). Rest assured though, he's not the only prospect (or CB) the Pats would reach for, as there are several others who seem like they will fit.

Ranked by who, some draftnik?

Wheatly started before getting hurt; and Willhite started later, over O'Neal, Webster and Lew Sanders. Both appear to have futures in the NFL. So the draftnik's opinon was pure bovine excrement.:snob:

 

[DaBruinz]

And you choose to ignore the fact that Hobbs couldn't stop Burress 1 on 1 in the redzone even if he were 100% healthy. Stop trying to use injury as an excuse. Football players have to play through their injuries all the time. It's part of their job description. Unless your're LT and don't even get me started about him.

Really? How the hell do you know that Hobbs couldn't stop Burress in the red zone when healthy? When has Hobbs gone up against Buress in the red zone when healthy? He hasn't. And unless you are claiming to be Miss Cleo and saying you can see an alternate future, you're talking out your arse again.

Now, do you understand what a sports hernia is? Its a tear in the groin area. It knocked Donovan McNabb out for most of a season. Its what hampered Brady in 2006. Yet, you won't give Hobbs credit for being out there, on the field, and having shut Burress down up until the TD.

I didn't say that Samuel would have definitely stopped Burress either. I'm just stating facts that Hobbs PHYSICALLY was overmatched by Burress. Result was a TD. Hobbs 1 on 1 against a 6'5 receiver is just NOT a good matchup.

Hobbs was on Burress all day long and had shut Burress down to the tune of 1 reception for 14 yards. Yet, because he slipped due to his sports hernia (which is a groin tear) You think tht Burress outmatched him physically. That is you re-writing historyt there.

The defensive call was a bad one because it left a guy in a bad iso matchup at a crucial point in the game. Sure if Hobbs had safety help over the top, that play might never have happened. But he didn't, and he got burned because he was given a job he couldn't handle alone. I really haven't stated anything but facts here and the only reason you're getting irrate is that you can't stand anyone saying even one slightly NEGATIVE thing about a Patriots player, no matter how true it is. Well get over it!

He wasn't in a bad match-up. And, up until that point he had handled the job alone.

I can't stand people like YOU who sh!t all over Hobbs on a regular basis and refuse to acknowledge that the guy was busting his arse out there. What you said wasn't true. Its only your own delusion. You ignore that if the Patriots really felt that Hobbs couldn't handel it, they'd have put someone else out there. You ignore that Hobbs, even with his injuries, had shut Burress down to that point. And you ignore that they wouldn't have even been in that position had Asante Samuel stopped David Tyree on either of the 2 balls thrown at him.

 

[DaBruinz]

NFL Draft Scout currently has him projected for rounds 5-6. I doubt he moves up much further post Combine, as IMO, his 40 time will not be among the fastest. He's currently ranked #22 on their CB list.

Coincidentally, Wilhite was ranked #22 last draft, while Wheatley was ranked #21, and both were also projected for rounds 5-6. As we know, Wilhite went in round 4, and Wheatley was the 8th CB selected overall in round 2. After the Pats selected Terrence, some said he was a reach due to his projection, but obviously the Pats thought highly of him. Same will hold true for any prospect. If the Pats want a player who fits their system, and don't want to risk losing him, they may select a player earlier than consensus rankings. If they're high on Burnett, I think he falls into that category of drafting him earlier (Round 3?). Rest assured though, he's not the only prospect (or CB) the Pats would reach for, as there are several others who seem like they will fit.

As AZPatsfan points out later, you can only take the drafts for their information when it comes to ranking players for the Patriots. You can't actually go by the rankings the sites use because the Pats use their own system to rank players.

 

[Kontradiction]

Have we all forgotten how Burress himself was injured? He had a nagging ankle injury all season long. So, if the excuse is that Hobbs was injured then you can wipe that off the plate right now. Look, I have nothing against Hobbs. When Asante was here, I thought he was a fine #2 cornerback in our system and I do not harp on him as much as other people here. But he has no business being our premiere cornerback.

 

[DaBruinz]

Have we all forgotten how Burress himself was injured? He had a nagging ankle injury all season long. So, if the excuse is that Hobbs was injured then you can wipe that off the plate right now. Look, I have nothing against Hobbs. When Asante was here, I thought he was a fine #2 cornerback in our system and I do not harp on him as much as other people here. But he has no business being our premiere cornerback.

What does that say about Asante? A guy who couldn't cover David Tyree. Tyree, who wasn't much of a receiver until the SB. Yet, he beat Samuel TWICE for important catches.. One for a TD and one to set up the TD..

 

[patchick]

BB goes for sure things with his first round picks. He uses the second and third round on "projections".

Hmm, I seem to recall a 1st round OT projected to OG, and a couple of 1st-round DTs projected to DE. Is CB to safety a bigger shift? Maybe, but then you have that college CB drafted #36 overall who was a starting safety as a rookie...

If Sean Smith grades out as a better safety prospect than a Moore or Delmas, then I'd expect them to draft him higher, projection or no.

 

[mayoclinic]

Hmm, I seem to recall a 1st round OT projected to OG, and a couple of 1st-round DTs projected to DE. Is CB to safety a bigger shift? Maybe, but then you have that college CB drafted #36 overall who was a starting safety as a rookie...

If Sean Smith grades out as a better safety prospect than a Moore or Delmas, then I'd expect them to draft him higher, projection or no.

Why are you always so reasonable? Give me something I can sink me teeth into and disagree violently with.