WR... Draft or Furrey?

[CanadianPat'sFan]

1000 yards in a mike martz system, yes, it is. Especially considering he played in all 16 games the next year and only put up 600 yards. He put up 1000 yds that first year because he was a converted Safety and nobody even bothered putting anything above a nicklback on him. They were much more concerned with Roy Williams.


Teams that lose 12+ games a season put up a lot of passing yards.

How many 1000 yard receivers did Martz have this season in SF??? None, 900 yard receivers???? None, Isacc Bruce had 835 oh wait there is always Bryant Johnson who was just over 500 yards....and he was second on the team. I thought you or I could get a thousand yards in his offense???

Furrey caught nearly 100 balls when when he was starting at WR, he had more receptions then Williams and like one less TD. I think he was 3rd or 4th in the NFL that season in receptions and was not playing against a nickel corner. He was matched up most of the year against the # 2 corner then when he was getting 5-8 grabs per game they paid more attention to him so trust me I know my football.

In 2007 Detroit went back to Martz old stomping grounds where he found Furrey to get MacDonald and they also drafted Calvin Johnson third overall I think.

That is when he was moved more to the slot but was sharing the ball with Williams, MacDonald (who actually led the team in receptions), Furrey and the rookie Johnson. Not one of them had 1000 yards or 100 receptions Williams 64-838, MacDonald 79-943, Furrey 61-644 and Johnson 48-756 they simply spread the ball around is the reason for his drop in production.

Furrey is a solid receiver who does not mind doing the dirty work as well as the fact we can get this guy cheap I believe.

Now lets look at your last statement....the Bengals last year 4-11-1ranked 30 in passing yards. Then there is the Browns were were 4-12 and were ranked 31 in passing. Lets not forget about the high flying Lions who at 0-16 they were ranked 24th in the league.

The Chiefs were 20th in passing, the Raiders were dead last 32 but they had a 5-11 record. The Seahawks at 29th worse in the league and the Rams at 26th round out all the teams who were 11 and 12 loss teams not one cracked the top 20 in passing.

 

[Lamanai]

Furrey is the guy who volunteered to play safety for the Rams a few years ago because the team had a ton of injuries. (He'd been a two-way player in the Arena League.) Furrey actually became the Rams starter for some of the season. In the past he's been considered a Special Teams ace.

Nah, not BB's kind of guy...

Mike Furrey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

 

[VJCPatriot]

Great, let's convert him to safety and see if he can stick...

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

Great, let's convert him to safety and see if he can stick...

He can play safety, WR and play on special teams......what is there not to like about this guy

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

i'd rather address WR in the draft using a day 2 pick. i like Greg Carr anywhere in the 5-7 round range. Consensus Draft Services is projecting him to be drafted in the 7th, but i personally think he'll go earlier. he's listed as 6-6 and 217 so he's not likely to run a great 40, and people will say he "lacks ideal speed." i think he'll be around 4.6-4.7, but that should be good enough for a guy with his size.

i think he gets a bad rap for a lack of production at florida state, but a lot of that had to do with the horrible QB play. carr's size and great hands make him a spectacular red zone target as well. i think he'd be a steal this late in the draft.

i've had my eye on him all year and remember seeing him play vs wisconsin. he mad a great one-handed catch at the end of the half in the end zone on a fade route. i'm sure it's somewhere on youtube.

 

[DaBruinz]

i'd rather address WR in the draft using a day 2 pick. i like Greg Carr anywhere in the 5-7 round range. Consensus Draft Services is projecting him to be drafted in the 7th, but i personally think he'll go earlier. he's listed as 6-6 and 217 so he's not likely to run a great 40, and people will say he "lacks ideal speed." i think he'll be around 4.6-4.7, but that should be good enough for a guy with his size.

i think he gets a bad rap for a lack of production at florida state, but a lot of that had to do with the horrible QB play. carr's size and great hands make him a spectacular red zone target as well. i think he'd be a steal this late in the draft.

i've had my eye on him all year and remember seeing him play vs wisconsin. he mad a great one-handed catch at the end of the half in the end zone on a fade route. i'm sure it's somewhere on youtube.

NFLDraftScout has him as a UDFA. They knock him for his inconsistent hands, lack of strength, issues getting off the line, and for lack of ball security. Just the bit that I read, he sounds like he's a poor man's version of Devery Henderson in that he just doesn't step up when needed.

 

[MetalBleachers]

NFLDraftScout has him as a UDFA. They knock him for his inconsistent hands, lack of strength, issues getting off the line, and for lack of ball security. Just the bit that I read, he sounds like he's a poor man's version of Devery Henderson in that he just doesn't step up when needed.

Here's my late-round WR pick: Mike Wallace*|*Mississippi,*WR*:*2009 NFL Draft Scout Player Profile

 

[BillBelichickFan79]

NFLDraftScout has him as a UDFA. They knock him for his inconsistent hands, lack of strength, issues getting off the line, and for lack of ball security. Just the bit that I read, he sounds like he's a poor man's version of Devery Henderson in that he just doesn't step up when needed.

That's interesting. I've seen a couple of FSU's games and I thought one of Carr's strengths/positives were his hands. I would think with his size he'd be able to be strong enough for the NFL. The thing I really like about him is his size obviously especially in the red zone. As you saw with Fitzgerald tonight when you are tall and can elevate over the CB's who are smaller, the fade route is almost unstoppable. However, you need to have good hands to be able to bring in the ball on those type of throws. I thought he had a good set of hands on him, but I could be wrong. Guess we'll have to wait and see.

 

[Synovia]

Furrey caught nearly 100 balls when when he was starting at WR, he had more receptions then Williams and like one less TD.

In 2007 Detroit went back to Martz old stomping grounds where he found Furrey to get MacDonald and they also drafted Calvin Johnson third overall I think.

That is when he was moved more to the slot but was sharing the ball with Williams, MacDonald (who actually led the team in receptions), Furrey and the rookie Johnson. Not one of them had 1000 yards or 100 receptions Williams 64-838, MacDonald 79-943, Furrey 61-644 and Johnson 48-756 they simply spread the ball around is the reason for his drop in production.

Furrey was immediately replaced by MacDonald. Why? Because hes not that good.


No, Martz didn't have any 1000 yard receivers this year, but he got 800+ yards out of the corpse of Isaac Bruce, and he had nothing even close to Kitna at QB.

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

Furrey was immediately replaced by MacDonald. Why? Because hes not that good.


No, Martz didn't have any 1000 yard receivers this year, but he got 800+ yards out of the corpse of Isaac Bruce, and he had nothing even close to Kitna at QB.

Here we go again

I said that Mike Furry would be a guy who would add depth at WR and push Gaffney not start over Moss!! and much cheaper then a lot of FA WR on the market this year.

Furrey was not immediately replace by a newcomer to the offense he started 10 games in 2007.

You said "I'd take the 2006 starts with a grain of salt. Mike Martz offenses always put up numbers like that." now you are making excuses why this year his offense did not put up numbers like that??? Oh yea it must have been all Kitna...what a great QB

 

[Synovia]

I said that Mike Furry would be a guy who would add depth at WR and push Gaffney not start over Moss!! and much cheaper then a lot of FA WR on the market this year.

I never even mentioned Moss, so I don't see what your point is. I think Furrey is a downgrade on Gaffney. I think this is a clear case of "the grass is always greener." Fans always think someone else's retreads are better than our own.

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

I never even mentioned Moss, so I don't see what your point is. I think Furrey is a downgrade on Gaffney. I think this is a clear case of "the grass is always greener." Fans always think someone else's retreads are better than our own.

Well you jumped all over this like I was trying to put Furrey in the starting lineup. I said he would come cheap and for the right price BB would love his versatility. I am not looking at the grass greener just looking at a reciever who may help us....Moss and Welker were retread's from other teams that worked out pretty well?? No one is pushing our # 3 receiver....and by the way we run a 3 receiver set quite a bit

Gaffney was not good last year with multiple drops, some in the endzone with only Atkin behind him!! His best season was 55 grabs with the Texans back in 2005.

The original question in the tread was to sign Furrey to a low vet contract or look to the draft. He has been successful in the league and if healthy his versatility would help us.

 

[Synovia]

The original question in the tread was to sign Furrey to a low vet contract or look to the draft. He has been successful in the league and if healthy his versatility would help us.

I do think Belichick would like his versatility, but hes not versatile like Adalius Thomas is, or like Mike Vrable, or even Kevin Faulk. He can do many things, but he does none of them well.

 

[cupofjoe1962]

Furrey is the guy who volunteered to play safety for the Rams a few years ago because the team had a ton of injuries. (He'd been a two-way player in the Arena League.) Furrey actually became the Rams starter for some of the season. In the past he's been considered a Special Teams ace.

Nah, not BB's kind of guy...

Mike Furrey - Wikipedia, the free encyclopedia

Good Post....... I am on board..... sign him up !

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

I do think Belichick would like his versatility, but hes not versatile like Adalius Thomas is, or like Mike Vrable, or even Kevin Faulk. He can do many things, but he does none of them well.

????? ok yea!!! You have backed nothing up from what you have said please lets just leave it alone......why did you jump to the defense....I was talking special teams and ability to play different WR spots??????

 

[Synovia]

????? ok yea!!! You have backed nothing up from what you have said please lets just leave it alone......why did you jump to the defense....I was talking special teams and ability to play different WR spots??????

Ability to play different WR spots is useless if you can't do anything all that well. Kelly Washington is a better ST guy than this guy, and probably just as good a WR.

Teams would load up against Roy Williams. Furrey was the benefactor.

 

[cstjohn17]

Scanned the whole thread (a first)...

Based on the discussion and the available free agents.
WalterFootball.com: 2009 NFL Free Agents - Wide Receivers

I would look to the draft or sign a veteran to the minimum. Gaffney is not great but he knows the system and in most cases the devil you know is better than the devil you don't... or something like that.

Since this is a draft thread, I will throw it out there. I don't see any impact defensive players available at 23. Rather than reach it may be worthwhile to consider a WR.

Maclin or Harvin would provide immediate value as returners and an ability to stretch the field opposite Moss. Something to think about...

 

[CanadianPat'sFan]

Ability to play different WR spots is useless if you can't do anything all that well. Kelly Washington is a better ST guy than this guy, and probably just as good a WR.

Teams would load up against Roy Williams. Furrey was the benefactor.

But I thought he was not even on the field or at least should not have been by your accounts. He as gone from not starting to now being the benefactor of double team on Roy Williams...which is it????

Since 2006 all three receivers mention have all been in the league now lets look at production.

Gaffney in last three years 85 receptions for 1059 yards and 8TD's

Washington in the last three years 10 receptions 118 yards and a TD

Furrey in the last three years 178 receptions, 1931 yards and 7 TD's

Washington does not return kicks he covers them!! So I like the guy but not to push Gaffney because he has not done that to date. He has production in the league which I like better then a rookie who is learning how to play WR at the NFL level which is not easy....WR BUST anyone??? How many of those have there been?

 

[Synovia]

But I thought he was not even on the field or at least should not have been by your accounts. He as gone from not starting to now being the benefactor of double team on Roy Williams...which is it????

Um, neither. Please point out where I said he was not on the field.


I said he lost his spot. He did, he got moved down to #3 after his 1000yd year. What do you think it says when you put up 1000yds and the coach replaces you with a rookie?


It means you're not as good as your stats.

 

[Synovia]

B
Washington does not return kicks he covers them!!

And where did I say he did?