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The guy has physical skill that you can't teach. All he needs now is to figure out how to maximize that skillset. Luckily for him he's on a team that is best prepared to teach him how to use that physical gift and last year he got enough starter reps to lead me to believe he has a very bright future ahead of him on this team.

As a minor note, he only(!) started two games, but he was on the field for about 1/3 of the snaps.
 
James Harrison, the Defensive Player Of The Year in the NFL,

was an undrafted free agent.

Yes he was and he had a ton of competition (high picks, vets) trying to make that Steeler team.

Did Guyton have any competition? How about TBC or Pierre Woods?
 
As a minor note, he only(!) started two games, but he was on the field for about 1/3 of the snaps.

not bad for someone who likely wasn't expected to contribute and likely saw little to no practice reps with any regulars......
 
Yes he was and he had a ton of competition (high picks, vets) trying to make that Steeler team.

Did Guyton have any competition? How about TBC or Pierre Woods?

Don't forget, we're also talking about the coach who cut Justin Rogers in favor of Chad Brown. . . . :mad:
 
Yes he was and he had a ton of competition (high picks, vets) trying to make that Steeler team.

Did Guyton have any competition? How about TBC or Pierre Woods?

You mean the same J.Harrison that spent 2 yrs on and off the Steelers PS and played only ST's. His teammate, J.Farrior, once told the NFL Network that Harrison was so "green" early that he would "give up" on plays and even ask his coaches not to play.
 
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-Very fast
-Very goood on special teams
-Good in coverage
-Had a few moments as an ILB but struggled when he was asked to take a bigger role when Bruschi went out

Probably was our best coverage LB last year but needs to work in other assets of the game. Could be a starter with more development but promising rookie season for a UDFA..
 
You mean the same J.Harrison that spent 2 yrs on and off the Steelers PS and played only ST's. His teammate, J.Farrior, once told the NFL Network that Harrison was so "green" early that he would "give up" on plays and even ask his coaches not to play.

He must have had something that Pittsburgh thought worth developing. It's not like he made that team by default (like some LBs have). Pittsburgh has had a river of talent at linebacker going back 20-30 years. You might recall they had so many good linebackers we picked up one of our top starters who couldn't crack their lineup.

Hey, Rod Smith was a great free agent too. That doesn't mean every team wants to eschew high draft picks and top free agents when they look for wide receivers.
 
James Harrison, the Defensive Player Of The Year in the NFL,

was an undrafted free agent.

Someone wins the megabucks every week too. Does that make it a good investment?

Maybe he'll be as good as Rod Smith. Meanwhile Thousands of starters, MVPs, ROYs and offensive and defensive players of the year come from drafted players in NFL history.
 
Someone wins the megabucks every week too. Does that make it a good investment?

Maybe he'll be as good as Rod Smith. Meanwhile Thousands of starters, MVPs, ROYs and offensive and defensive players of the year come from drafted players in NFL history.

I'm sorry but I don't really understand what you are trying to say. Is it, that lots of people were drafted before him so he must suck? That really is a very weak argument. First of all he made the team, second of all he played a bunch, third of all he ended up starting. The odds were completely stacked against him just to do those things, but he did. Hell look at Brady, how many players were picked before him, but hell, we may as well dump him now, he was a later round pick.

You aren't one of those, the Patriots would much rather get the 25th pick in the draft than the 3rd pick in the draft for Cassel are you?
 
Someone wins the megabucks every week too. Does that make it a good investment?

Maybe he'll be as good as Rod Smith. Meanwhile Thousands of starters, MVPs, ROYs and offensive and defensive players of the year come from drafted players in NFL history.

Your comments get dumber and dumber.....the draft is a crap shoot. Sure, more high picks do better than UFA and low picks - that is obvious.....but Brady, Warner, Harrison, Welker, Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, Antonio Gates, Priest Holmes, Willie Parker, Bart Scott, Tony Romo, John Randle, Antonio Pierce, Pat Williams........all became great even though hundreds were drafted before them. They are out there. Just because someone gets drafted late or not at all, are you saying we should not get expect or hope for them to become anything because since they were not drafted early - they are not worth the effort of developing. We should keep trying to work with the Chad Jacksons and Eugene Chungs....
 
You aren't one of those, the Patriots would much rather get the 25th pick in the draft than the 3rd pick in the draft for Cassel are you?

Let's keep that argument distinct from this one, because there is a logical argument to be made for not wanting the #3 pick in the draft.

Your comments get dumber and dumber.....the draft is a crap shoot. Sure, more high picks do better than UFA and low picks - that is obvious.....but Brady, Warner, Harrison, Welker, Terrell Davis, Rod Smith, Antonio Gates, Priest Holmes, Willie Parker, Bart Scott, Tony Romo, John Randle, Antonio Pierce, Pat Williams........all became great even though hundreds were drafted before them. They are out there. Just because someone gets drafted late or not at all, are you saying we should not get expect or hope for them to become anything because since they were not drafted early - they are not worth the effort of developing. We should keep trying to work with the Chad Jacksons and Eugene Chungs....

Jimmy Johnson once told BB he should make a list of 25ish players with players from every round that he wanted most, and then work with the picks he had to get as many of them as possible.
 
Let's keep that argument distinct from this one, because there is a logical argument to be made for not wanting the #3 pick in the draft.



Jimmy Johnson once told BB he should make a list of 25ish players with players from every round that he wanted most, and then work with the picks he had to get as many of them as possible.

Jimmy Johnson's success in Dallas is predicated squarely on the herschel walker deal......if that doesn't go down, the 'boys never win a thing
 
Jimmy Johnson's success in Dallas is predicated squarely on the herschel walker deal......if that doesn't go down, the 'boys never win a thing

That may be true but they had to select good players with those picks. Look at what the compensation picks for Parcells netted us.
 
That may be true but they had to select good players with those picks. Look at what the compensation picks for Parcells netted us.

Look who did the picking, Bobby Grier.
 
That may be true but they had to select good players with those picks. Look at what the compensation picks for Parcells netted us.

yeah........stephen jones had more to do with player personnel decisions than did jimmy johnson
 
Look who did the picking, Bobby Grier.

All I was saying is that you can have all the picks you want, but you still have to have great scouting to avoid the Eugene Chungs.
 
Let's keep that argument distinct from this one, because there is a logical argument to be made for not wanting the #3 pick in the draft.


Keep it distinct if you want, but worse case scenario, you just keep passing on your #3 pick until number 23 pops up then use it. Therefore your #3 can be anything from a number 3 on down, so why wouldn't you want it. The problem is that there is a formula that was devised to show how much each slot is worth, which with the new rookie pay scales has shown to be inaccurate, meaning that the number 3 draft slot is not worth what it once was.

All that being said I was simply using that to show how poor the arguments really were, the draft is not an exact science, some of the best players were never drafted, some very very poor players were drafted very high. All the draft really does is assign the likely hood, in the estimation of the drafting team, that a certain player is better than, or will help their team more than, another player.

Which ties together with my first point, the earlier the pick, the better the chance that a given player will succeed. However, there are so many variables, it is foolishness to assume that the draft position is the beat all end all of how good a player will be.
 
Sooooo....how 'bout that Gary Guyton fella?
 
He must have had something that Pittsburgh thought worth developing. It's not like he made that team by default (like some LBs have). Pittsburgh has had a river of talent at linebacker going back 20-30 years. You might recall they had so many good linebackers we picked up one of our top starters who couldn't crack their lineup.

Hey, Rod Smith was a great free agent too. That doesn't mean every team wants to eschew high draft picks and top free agents when they look for wide receivers.

Gildon, Porter and Bell were their only sure things at the time. Not much depth.

2002 Steelers LB's:
No PLAYER AGE HT WT EXP COLLEGE
97 Kendrell Bell LB 22 6-1 254 1 Georgia
51 James Farrior LB 28 6-2 242 5 Virginia
50 Larry Foote LB 22 6-0 234 R Michigan
92 Jason Gildon LB 30 6-4 250 8 Oklahoma State
53 Clark Haggans LB 26 6-3 251 2 Colorado State
93 James Harrison LB 24 6-0 242 R Kent State
95 Mike Jones LB 33 6-1 245 11 Missouri
90 Justin Kurpeikis LB 25 6-3 254 1 Penn State
55 Joey Porter LB 25 6-2 248 3 Colorado State
 
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