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This is another insane thread. Why would Charlie Weis leave his dream job, no matter how rough the waters have been, forfeit tens of millions of dollars, to take a DEMOTION to OC instead of head coach of one of the most storied teams not just in college football history, but in SPORTS HISTORY?

Come on, people. Let's raise our games.

Yup. No way his ego or his wallet will let him take such a far step down.
 
Re: Can Charlie Leave ND and Return to the Pats as OC?

Notre Dame didn't fire Charlie for one reason and one reason only this year.

Urban Meyer will not leave Florida before Tim Tebow does.

Urban has one more year to coach Florida, and then he's off to South Bend to take over the reins until he retires.

Do you really think Meyer is going to leave Florida after winning 2 possibly 3 national championships there? He is a god in Gainsville now. Besides, ND tried to get him when he he left Utah and he chose Florida over them. Also, didn't he sign something like a six year extension last year?

I can't see Meyer leaving Florida for anything other a head coaching job in the NFL personally.
 
Re: Can Charlie Leave ND and Return to the Pats as OC?

This is another insane thread. Why would Charlie Weis leave his dream job, no matter how rough the waters have been, forfeit tens of millions of dollars, to take a DEMOTION to OC instead of head coach of one of the most storied teams not just in college football history, but in SPORTS HISTORY?

Come on, people. Let's raise our games.

It could work if he negotiates a severance. ND can fire him and give him $4 million.

That's not tens of millions of dollars. They only owe him $4 million.

His yearly salary is $500k. His perks bring that salary up, but his perks re not part of the money ND owes him.

Plus, he has a very antagonistic relationship with ND's administration and boosters.
 
Re: Can Charlie Leave ND and Return to the Pats as OC?

Do you really think Meyer is going to leave Florida after winning 2 possibly 3 national championships there? He is a god in Gainsville now. Besides, ND tried to get him when he he left Utah and he chose Florida over them. Also, didn't he sign something like a six year extension last year?

I can't see Meyer leaving Florida for anything other a head coaching job in the NFL personally.

Yes.

I can. Meyer hasn't been coy about his love for Notre Dame.

The guy is named after a Pope. He's definitely going to Notre Dame, and soon.
 
Re: Can Charlie Leave ND and Return to the Pats as OC?

Yup. No way his ego or his wallet will let him take such a far step down.

Has no one even read the link I provided to Weis' actual contract?

ND is on the hook for only $500k in salary.
 
Re: Can Charlie Leave ND and Return to the Pats as OC?

Not mine. The poor bastard had to deal with Ty's mess.

What mess? Weis had his most successful season with Ty's recruits.
 
I actually heard a rumor on on Sirius Radio that Notre Dame loves Jon Gruden. Apparently there are some ties there between the school and Gruden's father.
 
When Romeo Crennel and Charlie Weis were with the Patriots, they were

among the lowest paid co-ordinators in the NFL.
 
he wont have to leave ND, he will be fired after next yr
 
Re: Can Charlie Leave ND and Return to the Pats as OC?

Yes.

I can. Meyer hasn't been coy about his love for Notre Dame.

The guy is named after a Pope. He's definitely going to Notre Dame, and soon.

He had his chance before taking the Florida job? What's changed? You could make an arguement based up on his own words, but that indicates he wouldn't consider it until his children are grown.

Meyer scripting lasting Florida legacy

More than anything else, Meyer said coaching at Florida afforded him the opportunity to stay at home with his family. Meyer and his wife, Shelley, have three children. Oldest daughter Nicole will play volleyball at Georgia Tech next year. Daughter Gigi is in high school, and son Nathan hasn't yet started middle school.


"The big reason I chose Florida is that I'm a football coach, but I'm also a father," Meyer said. "I love college football and I love the pageantry, but I'm also a father. I have three kids and they're at the age where I want to be around.

"To recruit players to Notre Dame, you're recruiting San Diego and you're recruiting New York. You're away from home all the time. When I looked at Florida, I saw the finest location of any place in the country. Most of the best high school players in the country are five or six hours from your doorstep."​

On Notre Dame:

"It's a national recruiting base. I recruited there for six years, and I spent every night in a hotel in an airport. I'm going to be a good father first."
 
It's because of stuff like this:

Urban Meyer still likes Notre Dame job -- chicagotribune.com

Urban Meyer still likes Notre Dame job
Why do stories keep popping up that Urban Meyer's dream job is in South Bend? Because the Florida coach keeps bringing it up.

By Teddy Greenstein | Tribune reporter
January 7, 2009

FT. LAUDERDALE — He coaches in the nation's best conference, recruits in a breeding ground for blue-chippers, wakes up in a city that Money magazine named the country's best place to live and gets support from a fan base that pushed Florida's spring-game attendance past 60,000.

Oh, and the average daily temperature on the Gainesville campus is 70 degrees.

Pretty dreamy, huh?

Perhaps that's why Urban Meyer stunned many Gators fans when he declared on a South Florida radio show last month that Notre Dame is "still my dream job; that hasn't changed."

"Once my kids are done, maybe someday I'll go coach there," Meyer told WQAM-AM 560.
 

First, the guy has 5 years left on his contract with University of Florida. He can want to go to ND all he wants, but Florida doesn't have to let him go. Maybe if ND pays Florida $20-30 million, they might be willing to let him out his contract.

Second, he took the Florida job because of family comitments. His middle daughter is 15 and son is 10. Even in this article you posted he said that he wants to coach for ND after his kids are done with school.

Meyer is not going to ND any time soon. Contract and family commitments will keep him out of South Bend except for an away game for probably another 8 years. If the Fighting Irish are holding onto Weis until Meyer is available, Weis has superb job security. Unless Tebow figures out a way to extend his eligibility for another decade or so, there is no evidence that Meyer is going to go to ND after Tebow graduates.

From the article you referenced Meyer said this about coaching at ND:

"Once my kids are done, maybe someday I'll go coach there," Meyer told WQAM-AM 560. "I don't know that. That's way down the road. Being a father and being able to recruit the best athletes in America within a five-hour radius of my home, that's why I came to Florida. I thought we could have a great chance at success."

That doesn't sound like he has any immediate plans to leave Florida in the next few years as you state.
 
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First, the guy has 5 years left on his contract with University of Florida. He can want to go to ND all he wants, but Florida doesn't have to let him go. Maybe if ND pays Florida $20-30 million, they might be willing to let him out his contract.

Second, he took the Florida job because of family comitments. His middle daughter is 15 and son is 10. Even in this article you posted he said that he wants to coach for ND after his kids are done with school.

Meyer is not going to ND any time soon. Contract and family commitments will keep him out of South Bend except for an away game for probably another 8 years. If the Fighting Irish are holding onto Weis until Meyer is available, Weis has superb job security. Unless Tebow figures out a way to extend his eligibility for another decade or so, there is no evidence that Meyer is going to go to ND after Tebow graduates.

From the article you referenced Meyer said this about coaching at ND:

That doesn't sound like he has any immediate plans to leave Florida in the next few years as you state.

He has a buyout. It's not $20 million. These coaches ALWAYS move on even when they're under contract. No one forces a coach to stay. It doesn't happen. There have been high profile moves from peer colleges like Auburn to Texas A&M, while coaches have been under contract. In basketball too it happens all the time. It's not like the NFL.

As for Meyer's reasons, I just don't buy this idea that recruiting at Florida is easier when it comes to travel. Half the kids he recruits are from the area, but the rest are from California, Texas, the Midwest, the northeast. That's no different than Notre Dame, which recruits nationally and in the Midwest, mainly Ohio, Penn, Illinois. They are as far from South bend as Gainesville is from Miami.

I just think he has every reason to leave now after winning two championships. Coming from Utah, he had to prove himself, and Notre Dame has lately been a graveyard of coaches. If Meyer went there first, who knows what his rep would be right now. But now he's won at Florida, he can move on and take his dream. Concern for his kids? Not buying it.
 
He has a buyout. It's not $20 million. These coaches ALWAYS move on even when they're under contract. No one forces a coach to stay. It doesn't happen. There have been high profile moves from peer colleges like Auburn to Texas A&M, while coaches have been under contract. In basketball too it happens all the time. It's not like the NFL.

As for Meyer's reasons, I just don't buy this idea that recruiting at Florida is easier when it comes to travel. Half the kids he recruits are from the area, but the rest are from California, Texas, the Midwest, the northeast. That's no different than Notre Dame, which recruits nationally and in the Midwest, mainly Ohio, Penn, Illinois. They are as far from South bend as Gainesville is from Miami.

I just think he has every reason to leave now after winning two championships. Coming from Utah, he had to prove himself, and Notre Dame has lately been a graveyard of coaches. If Meyer went there first, who knows what his rep would be right now. But now he's won at Florida, he can move on and take his dream. Concern for his kids? Not buying it.

Every article about the guy said he chose Florida for his family and has no immediate intention to leave. You are jumping to conclusions that aren't there. Besides, if Meyer was so itching to move to ND, why did he sign a six year extension last year? Weis was already on shaky ground at that point.

I don't know what the buyout is, but I assume it is around as much as Weis' reported, but disputed buyout.

As for recruiting, Florida, California, and Texas are the three largest recruiting areas in the country. Meyer does have to do recruiting trips in other parts of the country, but one of the largest recruiting pools is in his back yard and wouldn't require many overnight stays. Virtually every recruiting visit for Weis is an overnight trip. If Meyer went to South Bend, his overnight recruiting trips would increase exponentially.

I don't know if he has every reason to leave Florida if you take the guy on his word that his family commitments are important to him. Then he has a huge reason to stay in Florida for the next 7-8 years.
 
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Every article about the guy said he chose Florida for his family and has no immediate intention to leave. You are jumping to conclusions that aren't there. Besides, if Meyer was so itching to move to ND, why did he sign a six year extension last year? Weis was already on shaky ground at that point.


He signed a new extension one year removed from a national championship. I'm sure an increase in pay had something to do with it. As I said earlier, no college coach has been restricted from coaching elsewhere. There are buyouts written into the contract. I'm assuming Meyer's contract is like the vast majority of other college contracts for big football coaches. The school pays him under a million, then Nike pays him for the uniforms, the boosters pay him for speaking engagements, etc. This means that both the school and the coach are much less devoted to one another than we imagine when we hear about the size of the contracts.


I don't know what the buyout is, but I assume it is around as much as Weis' reported, but disputed buyout.


Which is a piddling amount for these schools. Michigan just paid out for Rich Rodriguez, it happens all the time. The boosters come up with the money for the new coach, and obviously Notre Dame's, like Michigan's, have the cash to do whatever they want.


As for recruiting, Florida, California, and Texas are the three largest recruiting areas in the country. Meyer does have to do recruiting trips in other parts of the country, but one of the largest recruiting pools is in his back yard and wouldn't require many overnight stays. Virtually every recruiting visit for Weis is an overnight trip. If Meyer went to South Bend, his overnight recruiting trips would increase exponentially.

I actually went onto Scout.com and looked at their recruiting classes. Meyer has as many far away trips as Weis does, and Weis recruits as many locals (within the 5 hour radius) as Meyer does. Remember, Meyer is located in Gainesville in the north, and all the talent in Florida is in the South, a big state. I've driven that corridor, and it takes about as long as driving from Western Pa to South Bend, which is Weis's local territory.

I don't know if he has every reason to leave Florida if you take the guy on his word that his family commitments are important to him. Then he has a huge reason to stay in Florida for the next 7-8 years.

Obviously, there are two things happening. I'm not taking him at his word because he's constantly talking about the fact that ND is his dream job, as the article alluded to. This makes a lot of Florida fans suspicious and jittery about his intentions. I also see that he has strategic reasons for taking the Florida job over ND while coming over from Utah. He has more probability of success. Now that part of his legend is guaranteed with 2 championships. He can go to ND and try to turn it around where no one else could. If he fails, well, then he's still Urban Meyer two-time champ and all the blame will be on Notre Dame.
 
Obviously, there are two things happening. I'm not taking him at his word because he's constantly talking about the fact that ND is his dream job, as the article alluded to. This makes a lot of Florida fans suspicious and jittery about his intentions. I also see that he has strategic reasons for taking the Florida job over ND while coming over from Utah. He has more probability of success. Now that part of his legend is guaranteed with 2 championships. He can go to ND and try to turn it around where no one else could. If he fails, well, then he's still Urban Meyer two-time champ and all the blame will be on Notre Dame.

You have an interesting theory with not much to support it other than Meyer's continued talk about coaching at ND after his kids are done with school. I am still willing to wager money the guy will be in Florida at least until his middle child graduates. He seems to put a lot of emphasis on family and I doubt he will uproot his family while one of his children are in mid-high school careers.

Also, ND was only 2 years removed from being ranked 4th in the country with a 10-2 record and even beat Michigan when Meyer turned them down. Besides I don't know if it was a great strategic decision to go to Florida under the shadow of Steve Spurrier success. Even though a few years had passed since Spurrier left, Meyer was constantly held up to comparisons to Spurrier early in his tenure and if he didn't have the massive success he has had, he would have probably taken a huge hit to his reputation. Considering it was nearly a decade since the Gators played in a title game and coming off back to back average seasons, there was no guarantee he would have brought the team back to Bowl greatness.

As for recruiting, 85 players on his 2008 roster were from Florida. Only 22 were were from outside of Florida and most of them were from Georgia which is only a one or two hour flight from Gainesville. Most of the Florida players are from Northern Florida like Gainesville, Ocala, Tampa, Winter Park, and Orlando. Even Southern Florida is a one to two hour plane flight. So most of his recruiting can be done in day trips even if it requires flying.

University of Florida Athletics ***GatorZone.com***

I still see Meyer playing out the contract. When Tebow leaves, he will have John Brantley to take over who was one of the hottest QB prospects two years ago.
 
You have an interesting theory with not much to support it other than Meyer's continued talk about coaching at ND after his kids are done with school. I am still willing to wager money the guy will be in Florida at least until his middle child graduates. He seems to put a lot of emphasis on family and I doubt he will uproot his family while one of his children are in mid-high school careers.

Also, ND was only 2 years removed from being ranked 4th in the country with a 10-2 record and even beat Michigan when Meyer turned them down. Besides I don't know if it was a great strategic decision to go to Florida under the shadow of Steve Spurrier success. Even though a few years had passed since Spurrier left, Meyer was constantly held up to comparisons to Spurrier early in his tenure and if he didn't have the massive success he has had, he would have probably taken a huge hit to his reputation. Considering it was nearly a decade since the Gators played in a title game and coming off back to back average seasons, there was no guarantee he would have brought the team back to Bowl greatness.

As for recruiting, 85 players on his 2008 roster were from Florida. Only 22 were were from outside of Florida and most of them were from Georgia which is only a one or two hour flight from Gainesville. Most of the Florida players are from Northern Florida like Gainesville, Ocala, Tampa, Winter Park, and Orlando. Even Southern Florida is a one to two hour plane flight. So most of his recruiting can be done in day trips even if it requires flying.

University of Florida Athletics ***GatorZone.com***

I still see Meyer playing out the contract. When Tebow leaves, he will have John Brantley to take over who was one of the hottest QB prospects two years ago.

When comparing Florida to Notre Dame, I was referring to a greater probability of success because of the quality of athlete.

Better players come to Florida because of admissions. Steve Spurrier leaves Florida, goes to South Carolina, and they are getting trounced these days. I'm betting he wishes he had stayed. That doesn't mean just anyone could coach Florida, not at all. But the probability of success is greater.

We're getting very different numbers as to where he recruits from.

You counted 85 players from Florida. But a good chunk of those players weren't recruited with scholarships. At every school, walk-ons will be from the local area. Why? Because in-state tuition is cheaper than out-of-state tuition, especially at a public school like Florida as opposed to a private school like Notre Dame which has only one set tuition (and therefore, many many fewer walk-ons). Your link there showed over 120 players, and we know at any given time, a school only has 80-85 scholarship players, so about 40 of those Florida kids are not scholarship kids but walk-ons. Also, I counted more than 22 kids on that list. I counted 36 kids from out of state.

Presumably, they are not walk-ons since an out of state student spends more than $20,000 to attend Florida on tuition alone, not counting room & board.

So, the number of out of state players versus Florida players is roughly half-and-half. Even taking the Georgia kids out of that, that's still 29 players of the 80 or so from a long distance away.

Plus, consider, Florida had four out of state kids transfer out before the season (they are no longer listed on the roster). That happens at every school. The in-state kids are likelier to stay at every school. But, Meyer still had to go through the trouble of recruiting those kids who eventually transferred out.

That's why I think the commit lists at Scout.com or Rivals.com will be more telling in how a coach recruits, because you get to see who is getting scholarships, and it takes all the statistical noise from walk-ons and transfers out of it.

Here's a real easy way to measure this:

MapGameDay.com - National College Football Recruiting Map

9 of the 20 players are from within a 6 hour drive of South Bend.

MapGameDay.com - National College Football Recruiting Map

10 of 22 players are from with a 6 hour drive of Gainesville.

This is why I don't buy the argument that Notre Dame recruits more nationally than Florida does. ND has always been a school that takes half of its players from the midwest.
 
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